Top 5 things we learned about the Michigan football team on Wednesday

Posted on Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 4:33 p.m.

Top 5 things we learned about the Michigan football team on Wednesday

By Pete Bigelow

Rich Rodriguez gave his final press briefing before Saturday’s showdown with Ohio State (noon, ABC). Here are a few key things we learned about the Michigan football team.

1. Injuries persist Michigan emerged from its loss to Wisconsin more banged up than any game this season and, at mid-week, the Wolverines aren’t sure who can play against the Buckeyes.

Vincent Smith and Craig Roh (head) were expected to return to practice Wednesday afternoon. Rodriguez hoped Kenny Demens (head) and Junior Hemingway would join them, but wasn’t sure.

Receivers Darryl Stonum (ankle) and Jeremy Gallon (shoulder) remain questions in Rodriguez’s mind.

“We’ve got a lot of walking wounded,” He said. “Hopefully, today and tomorrow we can get more guys back.”

2. Kenny Demens is hurting, too The middle linebacker's name had not been among the injuries discussed earlier in the week. But Rodriguez said he had headaches following the loss to the Badgers.

“We’re practicing, but we’re not doing a lot of hitting anyway,” Rodriguez said.

3. More shuffling for the return game All the injuries to skill-position players mean the Wolverines might be forced to shuffle their punt and kick returners.

Gallon has been the team’s go-to guy for both this season, averaging 21.0 yards per kickoff return, and at times shared kickoff-return duties with Stonum.

Should both be inactive Saturday, Drew Dileo and Fitzgerald Toussaint would be the team’s main kick returners, backed up by Mike Shaw and Kelvin Grady.

The depth chart at punt returner would be Dileo, Hemingway and Je’Ron Stokes.

4. Expect changes at kicker

Brendan Gibbons

Brendan Gibbons leads Seth Broekhuizen in this week’s kicking competition and will likely start against Ohio State unless there’s a significant deterioration in this week’s remaining practices.

“We’re letting Gibbons go out first,” Rodriguez said. “They’re still kicking back and forth.”

Kris Pauloski might contribute on kickoffs.

You’re not alone if you don’t recognize the name. Pauloski is a 6-foot-3 redshirt freshman walk-on from Indianapolis who has never seen game action for the Wolverines.

5. Practice is getting more intense Rodriguez said the first half of Tuesday’s practice was quieter than he wanted, but that the Wolverines were far more enthusiastic in the second half.

They’re ready for the annual rivalry game.

“It’s sometimes tough to practice over Thanksgiving, but our guys understand the importance of the game, and that they’ll create some lifetime memories for themselves.”

Pete Bigelow covers the Michigan football team for AnnArbor.com. He can be reached at (734) 623-2551, via email at petebigelow@annarbor.com and followed on Twitter @PeterCBigelow.

Comments

Pilgrim

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 10:50 a.m.

Our society is moving too fast, expecting instant results from Rodriguez. Plus somehow our own sense of self seems vulnerable when we are berated by opposing team's fans for yet another loss. You know, this really isn't personal, so let's cut Rodriguez some slack. He appears to be wholly committed to Michigan football. A little patience on our part may go a long way--perhaps too long for those who want robotic coaches.

Chad Williams

Fri, Nov 26, 2010 : 4:20 p.m.

Rich isn't going any where, the insight bowl will be the game that will determine if he is any good. That game will put us in a neutral site game against a Big 12 team. Espn has Missouri in that same game and that will give Rich a credible win and a bowl win. 8-5 a year behind schedule but now comes the big bowl win and recruiting will get better. You get a month more of practice for a bowl so the younger guys will get better, then u have spring and fall. Look at D rob and 1 full year did to his overall skills... Half of the defense jus got here in august... You have to be real when we judge this defense... Rewind to june when a 5 star Db was denied, your leader was injured for the year, another 5 star recruit leaves, your second best corner is gone. If we had all four if those guys out there this D will be a lot better maybe not in the run but in passing game for sure. That left us with what we have to play with right now. Im sure with woolfolk and floyd coming back these freshman and more freshman the secondary will be just fine.

58-44-6

Fri, Nov 26, 2010 : 12:36 p.m.

Next years offense will be "off the chain" my babies... RichRod!!!!!!!!!!

Sallyxyz

Fri, Nov 26, 2010 : 12:01 p.m.

There are more than a few bloggers and posters on this board who are complaining about RR and want him fired. The chorus is growing, including the media, and behind the scenes, you can be sure that major donors are complaining. Football is integral to not only the economic engine of the athletic department, but the recruitment of top students to the UM and recruitment of top donors. Taking a winning program and running it into the ground after a catastrophic coach search 3 years ago does not bring the big bucks to the UM, which is what all of this comes down to. Brandon is a smart guy and he knows that it's smarter to cut his losses now rather than wait another year and take an even bigger hit in donations. Private sector CEOs can be tough when they need to be, and let's hope that DB makes the right choice next week in letting the ax fall on RR.

Jaxon5

Fri, Nov 26, 2010 : 10:51 a.m.

The strategic error was made 3 years ago when the athletic department blew up the football program. They made a conscious decision to throw everything out and start from scratch. Coaches were fired, a brand new head coach acquired, playbook scrapped, and recruiting ties snapped. It was a strategic gamble more than a decision. When you gamble, usually you lose. And, the program lost, big time. It will take a decade to recover.

wpm

Fri, Nov 26, 2010 : 10:15 a.m.

I will be more disappointed with the University if it pulls the trigger on a coaching change now - It would be a poor strategic decision on DB's part and I know he is smarter than that. Think about it. The ONLY way it makes sense is if DB can find a better coaching fit who's scheme matches the dynamic young (small/fast) players we now have on the roster. But I DON'T think a coach that fits that mold is out there and available (Chip Kelly, Urban Meyer - can anyone else think of a few others?). Now - that's not to say that DB couldn't get lucky with an under the radar asst. who rockets onto the scene... but that is a terribly risky play & would mean the DB thinks he knows more about college football than all the other AD's, coaches and talking heads combined - if he finds an untapped super star 16 months on the job. Not saying it can't happen - just don't think it will. DB gives RR another year because it's a safer play for HIS legacy. I don't see him as the type of guy who comes in and makes a drastic change to the architecture which leads to 4 more years of "rebuilding"... Bring in any of the plug and slug type coach's flying around on this board and you'd need a whole new roster of their "type" of players. It would be as painful as watching Steve Threet trying to run the spread... and who would those 4 years be a reflection on??? Not RR - Not even to the new coach - it would be transferred to DB. Everyone would forget about Martin and RR and not going after Les and put the burden squarely on DB and his choice of a "new" guy... and unless he can find someone who can come in and win fast and furious with the existing roster - ANY misteps become a reflection of HIM! He'll give RR another year - until EVERYONE - commentators, bloggers, alumni, players, other coaches, stadium workers - you name it - are saying it's time for a change. Sorry to say that a few hundred people on a Michigan message board aren't going to sway a smart guy like DB. It only becomes a rational choice when it's the ONLY choice. Then the rebuilding fiasco that will ensue after another coaching change will remain a reflection of RR. Additionally - DB CAN give Rich another year at NO COST to himself... If he gives him another year - some will look at it as a "gift" to a coach on the hot seat... RR stinks it up next year - and the above mentioned happens - DB can pull the plug and looks like a guy doing what is necessary. RR blows up and gets 10 wins and a BCS bowl - with a group of kids that STILL have a ton returning for 2012 - and DB looks like the smartest guy in the room. It's a win-win for DB either way - and reflects him as thoughtful, patient and knowledgeable. Not caving to rants of a few irrational malcontents. To put blame squarely where it needs to be focused... it's on the U of M "fans" who sit on these board and complain. Shut up! Stand up! and support your team. Think you could to better? Then use your U of M degree - become a millionaire slinging pizzas - then get the AD job and you can make the calls. But until then - go back to your day job and show a little respect. You in fact are the root of what is wrong with this country. You want it all and you want it now and you don't want to have to pay for any of it. GROW UP - and GO BLUE! Let's give the bucks and run for their money in those nasty looking uniforms... but that's another post!

Sallyxyz

Fri, Nov 26, 2010 : 9:56 a.m.

Here's what I learned about MI football: In the Det News article this week by Bob Wojnowski, RR is quoted as saying: "I didn't get this job by getting a lottery ticket that said, 'Congratulations, you're the coach at Michigan,'" Rodriguez said the other day. "We didn't get stupid overnight. Every program has unique circumstances that maybe alter the timeframe." From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20101124/OPINION03/11240324/Rich-Rodriguez-needs-to-go-if-Buckeyes-whip-Wolverines-again#ixzz16OspFcfv "We didn't get stupid overnight." Right, RR. Great comment to make publicly about your team. Call them stupid. And if Brandon does his job next week, MI will end it's mistake in hiring RR in the first place. Let's hope.

aarox

Fri, Nov 26, 2010 : 8:35 a.m.

I guess it's good that RR is simulating game situations in practice. I get this from the comment in the article: "Were practicing, but were not doing a lot of hitting anyway, Rodriguez said." Sounds like game time for UM in 2010.

XTR

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 9:02 p.m.

RR is done if can't win at Ohio State. All he can show are close wins against the likes of Indiana and Purdue won't hack it. 6-18 BT record is poor. Add his NCAA violations to all of that disgrace, he is out if he loses to OSU. RR is a loser and he dragged UM down on and off the field. DB is no fool to pay 2 million plus to RR to barely beat the likes of Indiana and Purdue. LOL!

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 3:26 p.m.

Roy Roundtree is amazing, he isn't that big or fast but that little rascal always gets open and makes things happen... be patient my babies...

"We" not "Them"

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 2:57 p.m.

@Riverraisin I think you have it about right. You have very young players on both sides of the ball. It just so happens that the young players on offense have greater base talent than those on the defense. Most of the offensive talent are redshirt sophomores and juniors. The defense is largely redshirt or true freshmen. The extra year or two of experience can be significant. Hopefully, the 3 star talent freshmen will be ready to give more consistent performances later in their careers, which is when they would normally see the field on teams that are not so depleted. So, I don't see a contradiction there.

Sherlock

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 2:53 p.m.

Oh, my! Looks like poor 57 lost his patience and got the hook. Did "nerds" do her in? That's what too much ketchup-flavored cardboard and Big Top "performance" can do to a gal! RR, Brandon, and Martin are laughing all the way to the bank! To the cellar of the MAC!

Sherlock

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 2:13 p.m.

RR's laughing, alright! At least until his other lawsuits go to trial. But WHOSE money is he counting? Step right up, 57, to the Greatest Show on Earth! "There's one born every minute!"

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 2:04 p.m.

D21= Patten Oswalt We need a new defensive scheme and coordinater, I think we can have an average defense next year (24 points a game) and the best offense in the history of mankind, and then... Michigan 77 Western Michigan 3 Michigan 45 Notre Dame 31 Michigan 87 Eastern Michigan 0 Michigan 52 San Diego State 24 Michigan 66 Minnesota 14 Michigan 45 Northwestern 17 Michigan 41 Michigan State 24 Michigan 59 Purdue 6 Michigan 38 Iowa 17 Michigan 45 Illinois 24 Michigan 35 Nebraska 31 Michigan 38 Ohio State 31 Michigan 41 Ohio State 34 ( Big Ten Championship) Michigan 41 Alabama 27 I have never seen a Offense with this many underclassmen and a first year Quarterback move the ball so well, next years offense will be incredible... Be patient my babies

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 1:58 p.m.

Just the Offensive side of the ball

riverraisin

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 1:52 p.m.

OK...Let me see here...... I'm hearing two things from the RR defenders... "I'm salivating..this offense is loaded with freshmen and sophs, look how talented we are. We're scoring tons of points now, just think how good they will be next year!" and... "Give 'em a break..the defense is loaded with young and inexperienced freshmen and sophmores. They'll eventually get better." So which is it? Can a WHOLE team be young and talented performers? Or does that just pertain to the offensive side of the ball?

Sherlock

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 1:24 p.m.

Take a look at how many fans are exiting the big house in late 3rd to early 4th quarters of games. Whats new about that? Did it begin with Diamond RichRod? As a season ticket holder that drives 600 miles round trip to A2 for each home game Having come that far, did you sit through the whole Appalachian State game? How bout Oregon? And the Rockets? Did you REALLY stick THAT one out? How bout Connecticut, UMass, Bowling Green, and Illinois this year? You actually PAID to see those? AND came 300 MILES?!!! I am seriously thinking about not continuing this if things are allowed to continue SURE, you are! David Brandon knows FAR better than that! After all, hes become a great success peddling junk mail and food (even ketchup-flavored cardboard marketed as pizza!) for years. If you didnt buy that stuff, someone else did and still does. Brandon, as did P.T. Barnum, knows: Theres one born every minute. What do you think Bill Martin erected the Big Top for? Academics? THATs what UM is about?!!! Crank up the calliope! Step right up, 57, to the Greatest Show on Earth! To the cellar of the MAC!

Sherlock

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 1:05 p.m.

Now, THAT's championship!

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 12:32 p.m.

Sept 3 2011 Michigan 77 Western Michigan 3 Denard runs for over 200 yards

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 12:22 p.m.

Fast-Forward to the 2011 season opener vs. Western Michigan and this could be the starting defense DE: Craig Roh (Jr) NT: Mike Martin (Sr) DT: Ryan Van Bergen (Sr) OLB: JB Fitzgerald (Sr) ILB: Kenny Demens (RS Jr) ILB: Mike Jones (RS So) SPUR: Cam Gordon (RS So) CB: Troy Woolfolk (Sr) CB: Cullen Christian (So) Bandit: Jordan Kovacs (Jr) FS: Ray Vinopal (So)

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 12:17 p.m.

Cullen Christian will be a shut down cornerback... Be patient my babies...

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 12:11 p.m.

I pick all of the above... next year 14 and 0... We have the most dynamic player in the history of college football, next years offense will average over 600 yards per game, with less turnovers and a better defense... Be patient my babies...

Jaxon5

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 12:02 p.m.

I don't care if we "have the most explosive offense in the land". If we don't win football games, against quality competition, it doesn't matter one bit. To save time, apologists, select your excuses for Saturday's huge loss now: a) Cupboard was bare when Lloyd left 3 years ago b) Need more time to recruit "our guys" c) Team is too young even though it has the most returning starters d) Injuries are too many, even though all teams experience injury, and it only indicates a lack of depth on the team when injuries cause gaps...gaps that are filled by solid recruiting on good teams d) All of the above

tzgoblue

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 11:45 a.m.

Big Wolverine 13 RR was given a 6 yr deal. He has not shown the improvement needed. Brandon already has a handle on what is going on. If by chance he doesn't, I'm sure there are plenty of influencial alum and big money doners that will help enlighten him. The telling comment from Brandon "If you wake up and the program is moving sideways and there is no clear cut path to success" you have to consider making a change. So all RR supporters - What is the "clear cut path to success" that RR has in place? What progress has the defense made in 3 yrs? I believe if you check it out, our defense has gotten worse each year. Offensively, what progress has the team made against the good teams. MSU this year, we scored 17 pts, last year we scored 20 pts, Iowa last year we scored 26 pts, this year we scored 28 pts, Wisconsin last year we socred 24 pts this year we scored 24 pts, PSU last year we scored 17 pts this year we scored 28 pts. All games ended up in the loss column all three years, does that show progress. Brandon needs to bring in "his guy" and feel accountable for his results. As a season ticket holder that drives 600 miles round trip to A2 for each home game, I am seriously thinking about not continuing this if things are allowed to continue. Take a look at how many fans are exiting the big house in late 3rd to early 4th quarters of games. The enthusiasm of the fans has taken a big hit as well.

rocco

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 11:20 a.m.

57 makes the most sense. Rich Rod will get another year because he has shown us something we have not seen recently at Michigan -- possibly the most explosive offense in the land. The goal of defense is to make big plays for three and outs and get the offense back on the field. Time of possession, as we have seen, does not make a large difference in many games. Rich Rod gets one more year to get a defense that allows 20-30 points a game. He will. One other factor. Some commentators report that Brandon was in favor of bringing Rich Rod to Michigan. Firing him would be an admission of a major mistake. Some commentators also believe that Harbaugh will follow his father to the pros. He set up for that. He already has enough Michigan cred. The challenges and rewards for him are at the next level.

Sherlock

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 11:06 a.m.

Wow! All the pontificating (even name calling), when only the likes of Jonny Spirit get it: "Rich Rod for Prez"! Bill Martin's Master Plan, which is right on target, is to take UM athletics to the cellar of the MAC. With Diamond RichRod at the helm, Sparty, Brutus, Bucky and Herky will romp! WHAT could be better for them? How much more will David Brandon understand in a year? He doesn't yet know the machinations Martin spun against U of West Virginia? The contract Martin signed with Diamond RR? Where's Brandon been? Buried in junk mail? Mired in carboard + ketchup dough? Is he a total dolt? No way! It's the plan! To the cellar of the MAC! Wake up, Everybody!

loco123

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 10:55 a.m.

UM should change its admissions office marketing materials highlighting all the inexperienced walk-ons who sport the winged helmets...."even kids from places like Indiana can get on the field for the biggest rivalry in college football...." heart warming stuff.

loco123

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 10:54 a.m.

If RR has Pauloski kick in The Shoe on Saturday, does that count as negligence in his contract and cause for firing for that action alone?

lawrencelaundry

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 10:21 a.m.

Rich rod will be gone after this sat. Back to old school football. Thank goodness. Harbaugh does not seem to have trouble scoring on anyone for all u spread shred fans. I hope bleacher report is accurate about contacting J. HARBAUGH

lawrencelaundry

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 10:16 a.m.

Btw folks. What great D coordinator is gonna come to Ann arbor when he doesn't even know how secure his job will be after another yr of RR. Keep that in mind RR fans.

tulsatom

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 10:09 a.m.

To 57-43-6 (who I think is the same guy who posts under Theo): If U-M doesn't drastically upgrade the defense ito match the offense, in 14 years you will need to change your name to 57-57-6.

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 9:30 a.m.

Do you think Stephen Hopkins can run for over 1000 yards next year/ Running backs coach Fred Jackson said he will be just like Chris Perry

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 9:25 a.m.

I think Taylor Lewan has the potential to be better than Jake Long

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 9:23 a.m.

Question of the day... We return 10 starters on an already explosive offense. Wisconsin put up 83 on Indianna, A) do you think we can put up 100 points on Western Michigan to open the season next year, that would draw some attention... B) with our awesome offensive line do you think D Rob can run for over 300 yards against Western

Jaxon5

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 9:14 a.m.

To 57-43-6: Points don't mean a thing unless there is a W to go with them. The whole point of the game is to figure out how to win, and Michigan has been poor at that in the Big 10. This year, it was 3-5 in the Big 10. Three close and ugly wins that could have gone either way is not pretty. Getting blown out by rivals is not pretty. Talk of next year's team is pure speculation. Returning players do not equate to wins, which are again, the whole point of the game.

rightmind250

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 9:08 a.m.

Word is Richrod will be fired after the OSU game and Brandon is talking with Urban Meyer. Urban wants to coach Denard to a national title

"We" not "Them"

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 9:03 a.m.

@Ghost I normally agree with your progression through arguments, whether or not I agree with your conclusions, but I think your commentary on the relevance of injuries is flawed. The fact that all teams suffer injuries does not dismiss the possibility that one team may suffer a greater or fewer number of injuries due to simple variance. It also does not dismiss the fact that certain injuries to certain positions can affect teams differently based on both the talent of the injured player as well as the talent of the back up. While there may be valid criticisms of the current coaching staff, I don't believe there are grounds to dismiss any discussion of injuries or to summarize that all of the current struggles must necessarily be the result of incompetent coaching. Injuries are likely part of the problem with this year's season.

"We" not "Them"

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 8:51 a.m.

I disagree with the continued conclusions that the spread can't work in the Big 10. People have pointed to struggles of UM over the past 3 seasons as proof of this theory, but there is so much other data that would suggest otherwise. 5 of the top 7 teams in NCAA football use variants of the spread. 6 of the last 8 NCAA champions use the spread. Clearly it has been successful nationally, so to label it as a gimmicky untested-against-real-talent "Big East" offense is unfounded. I know many people have countered, "well, that's fine and dandy in those other conferences, but this is the Big 10, where power football is the only formula for success." There may be some merits to this argument, but some gaping flaws. If power football was so dominant over spread football then it would seem to follow than Big 10 teams would dominate the non conference and bowl match ups against such inferior football. As we well know, last year was the first time in many years where the Big 10 did not struggle in such games. In fact, I think the national perception of the Big 10 has long been that they are too big and slow to match speed and elegance of conferences like the SEC. I'm not saying I buy that argument either, but I thing it has more legs than to suggest the spread can't work in the Big 10. What's more likely is that the spread hasn't been tried by a major university in the Big 10 until now. 3 years into a transition that was less than smooth (to be kind) is not a fair evaluation of the merits of the spread in the Big 10.

scooter dog

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 8:42 a.m.

WOW I'd love to see all the winers and complainers here do any better of a job with the players he has. I think they need to give him a 5 yr extension. If your all up in arms and don't like him why do you still plunk down all that green and pay those off the charts prices for everything? Complain,Complain,Complain

lawrencelaundry

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 8:27 a.m.

Michigan is not gonna fire RR unless he has a direct replacement. Look to here the announcement Monday he is fired. Within 24 hrs, King Harbaugh will be announced. YES, rr can score. BUT after 3 yrs it still looks like slop. The team all around looks like it was assembled 3 months ago, not 3 yrs. When a quality coach like Harbaugh comes in you can count on it being organized and legit. NOT this Mickey mouse operation we now have. U can remember I said this and will tell u told u so. I went to the Wiscy game and it was sad how quiet the stadium was. REAL SAD. That's gotta change.

Blu-n-Tpa

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 8:25 a.m.

See if I get this right. With UM returning almost the same guys on offense you expect to beat teams next year that you lost so badly to this year. So the top teams in the Big Ten will forget how they won this year, by an average of two touchdowns, and just let Michigan's offense score at will?! They didn't do that this year and they won't next year, no matter how much you wish for it. (Hey, it's Thanksgiving not Christmas!) It will come down to this; if Michigan loses this Saturday the University cannot allow the football program to continue with the same leadership. Any incoming coach would have better, broader support of the fan base and the promise of coaching all three aspects of football would have instantanous uptick on bringing defensive players to Michigan. RichRod's downfall is solely his own. He is the head coach and is responsible for all facets of the team, not just offense. As most of his supporters note his offense is, at times, explosive, and if the defense and special teams were just average the team would be very competitive. Then why isn't it? After the first two years there is no way he shouldn't have been fixated on improving the D. He didn't and that's on him. Having confidence in yourself is a necessity for a coach. An absolute must! But being so stubborn in the face of overwhelming evidence that something is broke, (defense) and ignoring it for years is pure folly. Folly doens't work at Michigan.

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 8:22 a.m.

We need a new defensive scheme and coordinater, I think we can have an average defense next year (24 points a game) and the best offense in the history of mankind, and then... Michigan 77 Western Michigan 3 Michigan 45 Notre Dame 31 Michigan 87 Eastern Michigan 0 Michigan 52 San Diego State 24 Michigan 66 Minnesota 14 Michigan 45 Northwestern 17 Michigan 41 Michigan State 24 Michigan 59 Purdue 6 Michigan 38 Iowa 17 Michigan 45 Illinois 24 Michigan 35 Nebraska 31 Michigan 38 Ohio State 31 Michigan 41 Ohio State 34 ( Big Ten Championship) Michigan 41 Alabama 27 I have never seen a Offense with this many underclassmen and a first year Quarterback move the ball so well, next years offense will be incredible...

tulsatom

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 8:06 a.m.

Were practicing, but were not doing a lot of hitting anyway, Rodriguez said Sounds like practice is a lot like the real game. The exception to this is Mike Martin, who is a good player and a true warrior in the traditional Michigan sense.

tulsatom

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 8:01 a.m.

RR's press conference comments were an attempt to lower the expectations going into the OSU game so that when U-M loses, he has something other than himself to blame it on.

TFR

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 8 a.m.

When are the "Ditch Rod" t-shirts gonna come out?

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 7:13 a.m.

Spread Option Offense. The spread option offense is a variant of the more generic spread offense. It has found unprecedented success and widespread employment in college and high school football. Essentially a hybrid of the traditionally pass-oriented spread offense, the spread option is based on the concept of defensive isolation. The offense "spreads" the defense by aligning in three-to-five receiver sets, using two or fewer running backs in the backfield and often setting the quarterback in shotgun. This spread forces the defense to defend more of the field and isolates its players in space. To exploit this, the offense employs double or triple option plays which further mitigates the athleticism of the defense and forces it to play their assignments. When used in combination with a consistent passing game, the spread option offense can yield strong results. The means by which option plays are run from the spread option offense vary greatly. The most popular running play employed in the spread is the read option. This play is also known as the zone-read, QB Choice, or QB Wrap. A type of double option, the read option is relatively simple play during which the quarterback makes a single read (usually of the backside defensive end or linebacker) and decides whether or not to hand the ball to a running back on a dive or slant track. Others have found even more innovative ways to run the option from spread formations. Creative use of motioning schemes have enabled wide receivers and even tight ends to become ballcarriers as evidenced by Wake Forest's version of the spread employed during the mid-2000s. Urban Meyer helped to innovate the option attack out of the shotgun formation. Other pioneers include University of Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez, Kansas State University Coach Bill Snyder, Oregon coach Chip Kelly and others.

XTR

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 7:05 a.m.

57 - RR's offense sputters against good defenses. The scores are not even close. RR's offense is only with the little sisters of the poor schools. lol!

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 6:44 a.m.

Dont be "nattering nabobs of negativism" i think this Stephen Hopkins kid can be excellent next year, D Rob will be a much better passer, the line is returning 4 starters, all receivers are returning, this might be the highest scoring offense in the history of football...

Brad

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 6:42 a.m.

So if RR gets another year will they sacrifice GRob to the football gods?

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 6:34 a.m.

XTR

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 6:19 a.m.

Rich Rod has proven that UM can beat the weak teams in the big ten, has proven that his program violated NCAA rules and has proven that UM can now go to the pizza pizza bowl where nobody cares kind of bowl. That is all that Rich Rod did. No offense (against good teams! lol!) No defense and no special teams! What do you want DB to do? Keep paying RR 2 million dollars for this kind of job! LOL!

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 6:18 a.m.

What about hiring Nick Saban as Defensive coordinator, the offensive genious and defensive genious together...College Football would never be the same

Jonny Spirit

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 5:59 a.m.

@57-43-6 What are you talking about. Your excited about beating a Div II football team. Mich next years schedule is so easy the first 5 games (except maybe ND). Season ticket holders love to pay $60 to see Western and Eastern Michigan play. What a joke, this is the only way MI will have a chance to get another bowl bid. They will start out good and then get destroyed AGAIN. Same story every year, same ending. Rich Rod for Prez.

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 5:44 a.m.

September 3 2011 Michigan 77 Western Michigan 3 I still cant believe how many yards we averaged this year with such a young team. With 10 returning starters on offense we will have the best offense in the country, maybe in the history of NCAA football

iamcris

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 2:31 a.m.

5 things i've learned about myself as a Michigan fan during the RR era. 1) humility- I never fathomed Michigan not going to a bowl game as a Michigan fan let alone a losing season (see 3-9, 5-7) 2) disappointment- when RR was announced as head coach I had visions of hanging half a hundred on everyone and not letting teams stay in games only to lose by a fluke (see blocked fg App. State)amongst countless other heartbreaking losses. 3) distressed- after enduring the roller coaster ride that was last years Forcier project slip and slide penultimately ending in the 5 turnover festival in the Big House I knew without question the tOSU was the pinnacle ending to a just crazy season. 4) hope- the 2009 Michigan game gave me glimpses of hope seeing what could be, there were plays that outright were just plain nasty and I saw a work in progress with the offense. Having endured the season ending loss albeit not that bad to tOSU I assured myself I would not get excited about this team until the 2010 unit broke 6 wins and became bowl eligible. 5) FEAR- not about Michigan losing ANOTHER rival game or being embarrassed nationally YET again on national t.v. but FEARFUL that of all the change and inconsistency I've endured the last 3 years could all be a waste of time if this coaching staff is presented donkey over apple cart. I know in my heart this team is young but I've seen progress since the launch of project SCORE MOAR 21st century style. If in my honest assessment of this program RR can make the defense half as good as his INEXPERIENCED offense is now capable of then this team under his direction could become college football's next dynasty. More change now would only upset a balance that is certain to happen soon. /end wall of text

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 1:16 a.m.

Do you think D Rob can run for over 300 yards next year against Western Michigan University...

RJ12688

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 1:16 a.m.

Who cares if we can score again WM.... I want to beat real teams. Which RR hasn't done yet.

58-44-6

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 1:03 a.m.

We return 10 starters on an already explosive offense. Wisconsin put up 83 on Indianna, do you think we can put up 100 points on Western Michigan to open the season next year, that would draw some attention...

RJ12688

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 12:49 a.m.

Ive tried to support RR over these past few years, but at this point ive lost faith. Im tired of seeing the same stupids mistakes, Im tired of seeing a QB punting, im tired of seeing the ball moving sideways, and most of all, im tired of seeing a 3-3-5 defense that spends the entire game on its heels waiting for the offense to come to it, instead of attacking the offense and making plays. The defense is small, slow, and untalented. I know there young, and i think if RR is back next year they will better, but could they really be worse? Not to mention that his scheme overall sets the defense up for failure. Why would you run a hurry up offense given this teams current situation? Whether its a turnover, TD, or punt, the offense is off the field fast sending the defense right back out there to get smashed again. Even if we had an average defense (which could still be two years away at this rate), good teams are still going to hang 30+ points on us just because of how often there going to have the ball. Im really starting to miss the michigan of old. I want to see my beloved maize and blue physically smash other teams into the dirt again. But, if RR stays i wish him luck, and hope that he turns out to be the coach we all hoped he could be and gets UM back to respectability. Go blue, upset them Buckeyes

bigblue

Thu, Nov 25, 2010 : 12:41 a.m.

rich rod is not going anywhere! he'll get at least one more year!

trublue

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 11:49 p.m.

This is another reason to let Rich Rod go. I have been a very strong supporter even right up to the Wisconsin game, but it is now clear his players on offense are not physical enough to beat the more physical Big Ten teams. I have been at Michigan football games since 1961 and have never seen so many concussions and injuries in one year. Are we not supposed to have one of the best conditioning coaches in all of football? Highly rated Sam McGuffie had to transfer because of two concussions. Rich Rod's West Virginia style of recruiting might be able to handle one or at most two teams with Big Ten physicalness in his previous league, but not a whole bunch as in the Big Ten. His recruits are not a good fit in the Big Ten. Every one of our half backs is wounded. Our quarterback had to leave the game many times. We will continue to win against weak non-conference foes and continue to lose against the likes of Michigan State, Iowa, Ohio State, and Wisconsin. The defense is to laugh at. If they still cannot tackle after 10 or more games, it not only has to be the lack of talent, as Chris Spielman seems to think, but also bad coaching. The first year Rich Rod was here, he had 7-8 top notch returning defensive starters and we still got scored on with ease.The special teams are terrible. We have no speed and no power in the defensive backfield. We let a lumbering Notre Dame tight end score practically untouched. Carr would have benched Johnny Gallon a long time ago. He has made too many mistakes to be a starter. Why is it that I have never seen such bad punting and field goal kicking and kickoffs and kick-off returns as I have seen this year? If the talent is there, then it is bad coaching. The defensive and special teams coordinators should both be terminated immediately. I am now sadly convinced it is not going to work. His offense only works if he can keep his players healthy, and his 3-3-5 defense has too many gaps that permit opponents backs to get momentum and break tackles as they did in the Wisconsin game. Above all Rich Rod is too stubborn to adjust to his players and to the competition and that will ultimately be his undoing. If he is not gone this year, he will almost certainly be gone the next year. I hope it will not be too late to snag Harbaugh next year. This whole situation is a Michigan nightmare that keeps getting worse and heaven knows when it will stop.

BigWolverine13

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 11:32 p.m.

No matter what happens Saturday, RR will get one more year. If the team does not significantly improve next year, I think he is gone at the end of the year. Reasons: He was given a four year contract. It's honorable to live up to it. He will have recruited for four years -- he will have no more excuses. Dave Brandon will have a year under his belt and have a better handle on things. Michigan needs the time to consider all available replacements.

lawrencelaundry

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 10:54 p.m.

orlandomichfan

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 10:40 p.m.

whether richrod is here or not, would love to see the look on all you harbaugh dreamers faces when he does not come here which he is not gonna do,,whats you next plan of action, who beside your prophet harbaugh do you have in mind?? or are you all just gonna bet all the house money on him??? that is a bad bet if you ask me..oh well, get rid of richrod, then find out harbaugh isnt coming, geez, maybe you can pry kelly away from notre dame...ugh. remember the old saying, be careful what you wish for, it might smack you right in the face.

riverraisin

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 10:32 p.m.

If Michigan loses the game against Ohio State and RichRod gets fired immediately afterwards...can we count it as a victory?

lawrencelaundry

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 10:01 p.m.

Btw folks. What great D coordinator is gonna come to Ann arbor when he doesn't even know how secure his job will be after another yr of RR. Keep that in mind RR fans.

lawrencelaundry

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 9:51 p.m.

orlandomichfan

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 8:42 p.m.

will be glad once this season is over, 2011 richrod will have a respectable defense coordinator and have our d looking like it should..we have some good recruits coming in that should make a immediate impact, though one hates to have a large number of freshmen on the field,but with them and the added experience from the kids returning year 4 is gonna be a good one and this program will finally turn the corner and be back on track, it just took longer than it should have but it will have been well worth it...

3 And Out

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 7:55 p.m.

well... bigger players do get head shots, more of them when they are surrounded by smaller players and left vulnerable... Vince Smith got crushed last week... at 5-6, 165 should he be out there trying to block a blitzing LB?

mgobluealways

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 7:27 p.m.

@Rob Pollard Thank you for injecting some rational thought into this thread! Players get injured throughout the year on every team. Keep this in mind... the fact that you read stories about Michigan football inevitably means that you will hear more about injuries to Michigan players. If you read every story and every interview about some other team, you would probably hear some of the same things. Heck, if you followed Purdue this year, you would think Michigan players were invincible by comparison.

Rob Pollard

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 7:11 p.m.

A lot medical doctors and physical trainers in the comments today. Let's see, people who have had head injuries in last two weeks: - Kenny Demens (LB), 6 ft 1, 246 lbs - Craig Roh (DE/LB), 6 ft 5, 251 lbs - Taylor Lewan (OL), 6 ft 8, 294 lbs - Junior Hemingway (WR), 6 ft 1, 225 lbs.. are all small guys! Good to know. Just b/c our slot receivers and some RBs (like Vincent Smith) are small, doesn't mean everyone is small. If any of you have any reputable studies (heck, I'll even take a well-sourced Wikipedia article) about head trauma being related to size, let me know. Otherwise, leave the medical diagnosis to the professionals.

lawrencelaundry

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 7:07 p.m.

Ben

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 6:44 p.m.

@heartbreakM Lack of training is causing injuries. I'd venture to say the average UM player is a good 15-30lbs lighter than another D1 rival. What I think Saturday will bring is not the end of Rich (though it's likely to be a byproduct), but the beginning of a new era of Michigan football where we return to greatness and annual B10/NC contenders.

coldtoes

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 6:18 p.m.

Actually kind of excited about Sat. Come on Brandon, wake us up from this nightmare.

RobbiesBoyfriend

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 6:18 p.m.

Does Michigan wear "X-Tra Shock" helmets? Maybe they're full of Fire crackers and mouse traps?

XTR

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 6:04 p.m.

Even RR's press conference is now a joke. Nobody believes his chances on Saturday and the more people believe that it is his last game for UM.

heartbreakM

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 6:01 p.m.

Ben: Do you know if other schools are having these types of problems? I tend to agree that M players are likely not using proper technique to protect themselves, but these guys do not look significantly smaller than older Wolverines at least from these eyes. With the recent suicide of the Penn captain and his brain abnormalities on autopsy, and with the rash of concussions in all football levels, it is really scary to see. Joe Pa recently suggested losing the helmets to ensure that these kids do not tackle with their heads. I think he was joking, but I am not sure. He was around when they invented the helmet.

Ben

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 5:28 p.m.

@heartbreakM: The players are being beaten up so badly because they have yet to be coached on proper tackling, they have yet to gain the muscle necessary for the body to protect itself. Further, the players are being hung out to dry by a coach who refuses to take responsibility for the player's performance.

ecmichman

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 5:26 p.m.

Could this be "Sam McGuffie" syndrome? Rodriguez recruits smaller players in search of speed but they can not withstand the physicality of the Big Ten. Big East football does not win in the Big Ten - period. Why is Will Campbell sitting on the bench? What a wasted recruit he has been. I have to believe that a solid coaching staff would have had all of his 'pad level' and 'technique' issues resolved halfway through his freshman season. U-M is in need of a dominant player on defense to compliment Mike Martin and they are talking about moving Campbell to the O-line??? Really??? As for all those out there who make excuses for the sorry state of the program under this guy - millionaires are hired to FIX problems - not create them then whine about them.

heartbreakM

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 5:18 p.m.

Why in the world is Michigan getting all these headaches and concussions? Are other teams players getting them? Is it something to do with smaller guys vs. bigger opponents? Is it something about not teaching the players how to control head while in contact? It is an ongoing concern and does not seem to be improving.

3 And Out

Wed, Nov 24, 2010 : 4:42 p.m.

In other words: 1) Excuses Persist 2) Everyone is Hurting Too 3) More Mistakes for the Return Game 4) Expect Misses at Kicker 5) The kids are trying hard, but 3 days before The Game is not the time to "turn it up" for the Rivalry. 3 And Out is thinking: OSU 50 (went for two because they could not go for three) Michigan 23 The new coach has our scout team wearing the number 50 all year next year. It will be 1969 all over again.