Ryan Mallett's father says Lloyd Carr advised the quarterback to transfer from Michigan
Lloyd Carr advised Ryan Mallett to leave the Michigan football program when Rich Rodriguez was hired as coach and Rodriguez did little to try to keep him, Mallet’s father, Jim, told the Boston Herald.
The details behind Mallett leaving Michigan after his freshman season is the 14th and latest entry in the Boston Herald’s “The Making of Mallett” series about the New England Patriots’ third-round draft choice.
Jim Mallett, who referred to Carr as ‘the classiest person I’ve ever been around’ besides his own father, asked Carr for advice in the winter of 2008. Carr and his staff recruited Mallett to Ann Arbor.
According to Jim Mallett, Carr’s response was: “If I was in that situation, with a different offense, he needs to leave.”
Jim Mallett also said Rodriguez never asked to meet with Ryan Mallett, a 6-foot-7 pocket passer who clearly didn’t fit his spread option offense.
“Ryan’s the one who called (Rich Rod),” Jim Mallett told the Herald. “He said, “Can I talk about the offense?’ And then he told me, ‘Daddy, (Rodriguez) never looked me in the eye.’ He never visited with the family, he didn’t talk to us. But hey, it wasn’t a fit. Let’s move on.”
When Mallett told his parents that he wanted to transfer to Arkansas, his mother wasn’t sure if she liked Razorbacks’ business-like coach Bobby Petrino, who she called “the polar opposite of Lloyd Carr, the warmest, sweetest man.”
Debbie Mallett called the parents of Brian Brohm, who was a quarterback for Petrino at Louisville. When Brohm’s parents confirmed they would send their son to play for Petrino again, she agreed to the transfer.
Debbie Mallett also said she thinks Ryan would have stayed at Michigan if Rodriguez had retained quarterback coach Scot Loeffler.
There’s more Michigan-related details in “The Making of Mallett.” The family went into the draft believing Ryan would be drafted by the Miami Dolphins and become the future replacement for another Wolverines quarterback, Chad Henne.
Before the Patriots drafted him to play alongside yet another U-M quarterback, Tom Brady, Mallett spent early-morning practice sessions studying Brady in his hometown of Texarkana, Ark.
Comments
cutty240
Sun, May 8, 2011 : 4:49 a.m.
Mallet can't play in the NFL,he's a head case.Takes him to long to get rid of the ball,i don't care how hard someone throws the ball,NFL is a quick release league.NE wasted a draft pick,there is only one Tom Brady.Carr didn't know what he had in Brady either until the end.Go the house Carr,your done.
Bob
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 5:01 p.m.
He was recruited by Carr and went to him for advice. It was obviously given in Ryan's best interest. It feels like some posters would prefer Lloyd advise players to do only what is best for Michigan.
wolfman
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 4:43 p.m.
I agree it all water over the bridge time to move forward
Theo212
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 12:03 p.m.
Dear 2nd grade/bluehair faction, Truth hurts, doesn't it? Sincerely, President Theo
1st Down
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 11:11 a.m.
This "report" is what is know as hearsay
townie54
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 6:04 a.m.
none of your opinions has anything to do with anything.The only thing that matters are the facts.Rich Rod did a terrible job of coaching and his defense got worse every year.He was terrible against winning teams.He did not adapt very well to things.If he would have won or even showed solid progress he would still be coaching.No matter who didnt like him .Period
bigblue
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 1:51 a.m.
RR was on the proverbial "hot seat" before he even coached a game for Michigan! That undermined his recruiting every year he was the HC. If RR had been left alone from all the in-house conflict the team would be successful right now and contending for the Big 10. RR left this team with more talent than people think and don't be surprised if they contend this year.
DonAZ
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 2:20 a.m.
So by that logic if they do *not* content this year it's because RR didn't leave us with talent? Because if the argument goes that Hoke's success must necessarily be the result of RR, then the reverse is also true: any misstep by Hoke must be the fault of RR.
ohiowolverine
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 11:23 p.m.
Lorain, Your right about one thing, Very good league. Marion Harding class of 1971. Now GO BLUE!!!
DonAZ
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 11:21 p.m.
Gotta get this off my chest -- in 2007 Carr started the season with the famous loss to Appalachian State, then followed that with a bad loss to Oregon. 0-2 to start the year. He could have mailed in the rest of the year. But he didn't. He coached the hell out of the team and reeled off 8 wins. Yes, he took two hits to finish the regular season. No, 8-4 is not a stellar year. But the point is he *could* have easily let that team fold up after an 0-2 start but he did not. I recall some on ESPN making a plausible claim that Carr should be considered for coach of the year for just that -- not letting his team fold up after the dispiriting losses to Appalatian and Oregon.
Dusty
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 9:20 p.m.
I think is says much about some people and their attitudes (and intelligence) that Rich Rod was 100% to blame for Mallett leaving. And then when proof surfaces that he was outright sabotaged by Lloyd Carr, he's still 100% to blame. Now that we've learned about this, I wonder if anybody is naive enough to think that this was the only thing Carr had his hand in regarding the Rich Rod era. Despite multitudes of people around here who know better, some of you still think the "Carr-tel" is a myth.
Blu n Tpa
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 2:04 p.m.
RJ "it may have been"? You are wavering on this a little. It was in RM best interest, no doubt, given the lack of communication for the ascending HC. Remember he was there up to and including the bowl game in Orlando vs UF. Coach Hoke talked to DRob, among others, before he even signed his contract with Michigan. I think you are more accurate with your apprisal of Coach Carr's decision to tell RM what was best for him. Tough decisions are the true test of leadership. Coach Carr passed. The WCiMFH, not so much. As always enjoy reading your stuff. TiM Go Blue!
missionbrazil
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 11:44 p.m.
Good dose of Friday fiction in this thread.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 10:02 p.m.
The MCC re-write of Michigan football history. Found in the fiction portion of your local bookstore. Good Night and Good Luck
RudeJude
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 9:52 p.m.
So, the fact that Rodriguez didn't want to even talk to the guy who would be his starting QB had not even 1% to do with his decision? Really? There is no doubt, as a Michigan fan, it is disappointing that he'd suggest a player leave the program. Nonetheless, it may have been the best thing for Ryan Mallett to play for a program that found strength in a pocket passer, which Rodriguez was not interested in. Coach Carr could have been looking out for one of his players and/or sabotaging the program. Considering his history of integrity, I'd go with the former over the latter. I cannot knock a man for giving unbiased advice to a young man with a tough decision. You can claim it is undeniable proof that the "Carr-tel" exists, but it does more to show the great quality of character Coach Carr has.
David Vande Bunte
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 9:40 p.m.
I ask again, what good would Mallett have done at Michigan under RichRod? If you are going to call it sabotage, that implies that RichRod was harmed by Mallett transferring. Given he was the same type of pocket QB that Threet and Sheridan were, if it was sabotage, how much damage did it really do? Let's stop playing the victim here. RichRod wanted Mallett gone because he didn't fit. If RichRod had any plans to use Mallett at all, he would have at least made a token effort to keep him...but he didn't. When the incoming coach doesn't want you, how can that possibly be construed as sabotage?
Theo212
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 8:11 p.m.
Hey Blu n Tpa, Eaaaaaasssssyyyyyyyy there bro. Never seen any dude get so worked up. It's Friday. Sit back with ed and mission, and the 3 of you put on some music by The Cars (like meangoblue always suggests) and have some Frescas (like your hero Judge Smales). Theo
umgoblue47
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 8:07 p.m.
i supported bo, mo, lc and rr because they were are coaches. hoke is now the head coach and i will support him as long as he is the hc. rr did not work out and if you were for or against him this doesent matter any more. what matters is we as michigan football fans need to all come together and support uofm football, COACHES and PLAYERS! we all have experienced what happend with all the infighting for the last 3/yrs. hoke will turn this around, hopefully sooner then later. . . A HOUSE DIVIDED CANNOT STAND! GO BLUE. . .
Lorain Steelmen
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 8:05 p.m.
Theo..........thanks for the affirmation, but 'Lorain' is a city, not a 'gender' name. And 'Steelmen' is the nickname for my high school. Ergo...'Lorain Steelmen'. 'The rest', as they say, 'is history'...LHS was a proud member of the now defunct, 'Buckeye Conference', with Lorain Senior Steelmen, (tadahh), Lorain Admiral King 'Admirals', Elyria 'Pioneers' (Les Miles), Fremont Ross Little Giants (Rob Lytle & Chas Woodson), Sandusky BlueStreaks, (Tom Darden & Rather), Findlay Trojans, Mansfield Tigers, and Marion Harding Presidents. (Heck of a league, man, heck of a league! (Tressel played at Berea HS, not far down the road.) In NE Ohio, football is 'king'! ... speacking of which.....Had our 'King' stayed, UM might have re-taken its 'rightful place', among the nation's elete....but...I agree, our mission NOW, is to support the 'Brady of Hoke', as he attempts to re-establish the Bo/Mo school of football 'toughness'. And, Woe be to those, that foolishly seek our demise. So, its' back to 'three yards, and a cloud of astro-turf'! If we can't drink to 'touchdowns', then we'll toast the 'first downs'.....and trust me, I've had lots of experience in that...when I was a student here, watching the Bo-meister. Yep, the name of the game, is to stuff the Bucks, Spartans, Huskers, and, come to think about it, anybody else, enroute to title number 43!......Go Blue!
David Vande Bunte
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 8:12 p.m.
I would be more interested in preventing the other team from toasting touchdowns against the WDiMFH. What good is scoring 5 touchdowns a game when you give up 6? If I score a lot of points, I might win. If I give up none, I WILL.
Blu n Tpa
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 7:57 p.m.
To: MCC It is so refreshing to see that by throwing out how quiet you all have been forced you to come out of hiding to reveal your latent desire to keep the flame alive. All the same old stuff. Carr-tel, the cupboard's bare, the WCiMFH was treated unfairly, blah, blah, blah. The "horror, horror, horror" for the MCC and yet, he is still GONE, GONE, GONE! tater, never answered by question: Who would you trust your child's future to, Coach Carr or the Idol? The coach's name is Hoke and he is the Leader and Best! TiM Go Blue!
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 12:33 p.m.
Dusty gets REALLY upset at being considered part of the MCC. Don't understand why, given the evidence. Good Night and Good Luck
Blu n Tpa
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 10:47 a.m.
Dusty, so good to see you want to add something to the debate. So where do you side on the question? Who would you take advice from regarding your son's future, even today, based on everything you've seen over the last 3 years, Coach Carr or your guy? Name calling? Who did I call a name and what was it?
Dusty
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 9:24 p.m.
I think it's refreshing that a grown man can be as childish as you, with the namecalling and such. Oh, and "the horror" is the offical nickname for the 2005 season, isn't it? And come on... the Carr-tel didn't start with people around here, it's something that people have known about all around campus since before Carr retired.
macjont
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 7:36 p.m.
Who paid LC's salary? The Mallets or the University of Michigan?
Blu n Tpa
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 8:04 p.m.
"Who paid for LC's salary?" Wow! Whoever it was they didn't pay for his conscience too. Fortunately Coach Carr still has it and my respect. If you don't respect everything LC did for Michigan then,... never mind, it's a waste of my time.
Theo212
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 7:17 p.m.
Lorain, First let me compliment you on that lovely blouse. You are an oasis amongst the sludge around here. All reasonable people agree with you, and we (unlike many) support Our Team through thick and thin. Let's all convene and adhere to supporting our school, and hope that Coach Hoke wins 10 of his first 5 games, so that the 2nd grade nonsense will not repeat itself. Your #1 Fan, Theo
riverraisin
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 9:08 p.m.
"First let me compliment you on that lovely blouse" ....LOL.... Your Lorains #1 fan? Then you should know that Lorain is a man....lol... Or maybe you already knew that and I am a little ignorant on his style of dress. In either case, I digress
Lorain Steelmen
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 5:36 p.m.
Bill & Tater ...your posts were EXCELLENT, and right on target! Thank you! I tried to say much the same, at the time, hoping that the anti-RR (anti-Michigan) crowd would come to their senses. LC won a title here in '97, not because of what HE did, but because of the 'let's win it all', mentality of Woodson, Greise, Steele, et al. Once he made his mark, he allowed this program to deteriorate, particularly badly, from 2001 to 2007. Mallet had a bad attitude, and even Long and Hart had to reign him in. (and probably Henne as well). When RR arrived, Mallett was the only D1 QB in camp. (thanks Lloyd) Face it, the cupboard was bare. These Mallet comments are self-serving crap, similar to Boren's comments, about 'family values'. Boren looks like a fool now, given the recent revelations coming from Columbus. No one would suggest that Tressel suddenly became a 'sleeze'. He has always operated this way. But Carr, and his buddies, hurt this program, by not supporting the coach. I find it telling, that as soon as Brandon took over, Carr left the department. hmm. But Brandon still whacked RR, (a Coach that Bo liked),half way through his contract, to satisfy the Carr-tel. I felt at the time, that RR should have at least another year, and that the defense would make serious improvements next year. Again, Bo would have gone 'balistic' had he been here to see the way his school treated a sitting coach! That is why, guys like Leach, Moehler and Hanlon moved into the breach, to support RR. They are the 'real M men'. I have lost what little respect I had left for Carr....and it also shows again, how narrow minded some fans of this school are. The practice systems have been in place long before RR showed up, but he was smart enough to keep his mouth shut, and take the hit for LC. RR just made the kids work, and refused to give anyone a free pass. (By the way, Tressel has 6 wins over Carr and, only 3 over RR. My friends in Ohio, considered LC a laughing stock, for many years.)
Blu n Tpa
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 1:54 p.m.
David VB Facts vs fiction. Thank you so much for debunking another "wive's tale" put forth by the MCC. How anyone can argue with the results, ignore the effort, and how Coach Carr still held himself and the University to such a high standard, with class and honesty, is beyond logic. I hope you noticed not a single person has answered the question of who they would trust their son's future to, Coach Carr or their Idol. MCC=paper fans TiM Go Blue!
1st Down
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 11:13 a.m.
Day after day, Alone on a hill, The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still But nobody wants to know him, They can see that he's just a fool, And he never gives an answer, But the fool on the hill, Sees the sun going down, And the eyes in his head, See the world spinning 'round. Well on the way, Head in a cloud, The man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud But nobody ever hears him, or the sound he appears to make, and he never seems to notice, But the fool on the hill, Sees the sun going down, And the eyes in his head, See the world spinning 'round.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 8:21 p.m.
One needs to understand that, according to Lorraine, Bo rose from the grave in 2007, made a phone call to Bill Martin, and recommended he hire the WCiMFH. I kid you not. And from there we can understand the rest of the fiction that she writes. Good Night and Good Luck
missionbrazil
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 7:36 p.m.
Bo would have been the 1st in line to bounce whatshisname out of UM when the NCAA violations came down. LC: 122-40 overall at UM (.753), 81-23 BT (.779) RR: 15-22 overall at UM (.405), 6-18 BT (.250) LC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RR Nothing you say can change the above facts ... they stand forever.
David Vande Bunte
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 6:26 p.m.
The program deteriorated particularly badly between 2001 and 2007? Really? Because I show that Michigan went 64 and 24 during that time frame, had a .72 win %, with 3 top ten finishes and 3 10+ win seasons. These numbers are slightly lower than 95-00, but to claim it was a particularly bad deterioration is flat out ridiculous. You exaggerate Carr's woes far too much during that time period. 95-00: average 9.6 wins, 2.66 losses 01-07 average 9.14 wins, 3.43 losses totals: average 9.4 wins, 3.07 losses He still averaged over 9 wins a season during the time period you claim he allowed the program to deteriorate "badly". Badly would be going from over 9 wins a season to 7 wins a season or something like that, not what he actually did.
heartbreakM
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 6:14 p.m.
Your points are questionable at best. Former coach showed no real results in his 3 years. We've been through this over and over again. For you to guess what Bo would have done is sheer nonsense, because none of us know. I would think Bo would not have stood for the type of coach he was, but who cares. We don't know. About boren: He has 3 rings. More wins against Michigan than former coach had against top half big ten teams. Brandon whacked former coach because of results on and off the field. Transfers, blow outs, no development, no flexibility, pushing players under the bus, etc. If you were really pro Michigan, you'd let it go and admit that the best thing for Michigan football is a better coach and a new start. And now, a real rebuilding, unlike what was needed 3 years ago.
treetowncartel
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 5:17 p.m.
My own two cents, Lloyd seemed a little selfish when he announced his retirement following the OSU game. he should have waited until after the BCS games. It created quite the debacle and distraction. I think it is obvious that Mallett was not going to fit in, so whatever happened there is probably right. I also think that people need to be more honest about shoelaces prospect as a quarterback at the next level. Personally, I think shoelace should convert over to the defensive backfield. If he groomed himself at the safety position i think he could do very well in the pros. He would probably be the first defensive back taken. His speed would allow him to be a great cover guy, and he could pursue some breakaway plays too.
treetowncartel
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 9:43 p.m.
Whether it was the coach or the AD, somebody should have had the smarts to figure out the timing was not good for all involved. Apparently, Brandon had the smarts to wait to make the change. Shoelace is taking hits right now, not handing them out. Being in the defensive backfieldis different than running into it from where he is now. I also understand he has the choice to play QB, but if college is about getting you ready for a career, in my opinion he will have a better chance at a NFL career as a safety/return man then he will as a quarterback.
DonAZ
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 9:07 p.m.
I think the timing thing is really more an indictment of Bill Martin the AD than Lloyd Carr. If indeed Carr had known since summer that he was going to retire, then Martin would have known as well. And Martin is the one who should have prepared the coaching transition. Whether before or after the BCS game is a bit of hindsight ... depending on who was the number one candidate at that time. And in whose eyes. I can't recall all the details, but wasn't it somewhat of a miracle that LSU played in the BCS that year, and didn't a lot of those miracles occur *after* Carr announced his retirement?
heartbreakM
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 7:10 p.m.
I agree about the timing. I think Carr's timing put Michigan into a huge bind and forced them to find a quick fix which ended up badly for them. He knew since the summer that he was done, which IMO took his coaching edge off and may have contributed to that App State loss and poor performance overall. DR: as a defensive back?? I don't see it because his ability to take hits and come out consistently noninjured has not been proven.
DonAZ
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 5:21 p.m.
Robinson will *not* play QB in the NFL. But he seems to *want* to play QB at the college level, and he can very likely do well at it. Provided his expectations about life past college football are property set, I say let him play QB.
DonAZ
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 5:06 p.m.
How can it be considered "undermining?" Mallet was (and is) a classic drop-back passer. Rodriguez offered absolutely no indication he was willing to incorporate that style QB into his offensive philosophy. So imagine you're Carr. The Mallets ask for his advice. Any thinking person looks at this situation and sees the following: o Mallet forced to run an offensive scheme for which he is not well suited o Rodriguez using Mallet as stop-gap until he gets a "spread" QB (which he did in Forcier and Mallet) o Mallet's potential never realized at Michigan For Carr to give any advice OTHER than "perhaps it best to seek other places to play" would have been dishonest. I for one CREDIT Lloyd Carr for his advice. Had Rodriguez been more accomodating in his approach he could have *transitioned* to the spread over time and had greater early and long term success.
missionbrazil
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 4:54 p.m.
Theo & Tater, take a deep breath and re-read the article again. Vindication of the King (Loser) ? Proof of LC sabotaging the UM program ? Nice attempt to spin the facts. If anything this article proves the opposite ... it proves that Mallet didn't have his mind set on leaving until after whatshisname arrived, and after he showed & proved he wasn't interested in keeping him as QB. It proves what many in college football and many at UM already knew ... that LC is a class act who is totally worthy of someone's trust. LC gave his advice based on what he thought was best for RM, which is what he promised to the family he would do when he recruited him ... look out for and take care of their son. And he delivered on his promise. And he also gave the boy some good advice ... RM ended up better off than if he had stayed at UM.
missionbrazil
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 7:21 p.m.
"Hoke has said again and again that an objective of his is to use football as a tool to teach players to be better men and better husbands in life. I believe he truly, sincerely means it. And that conveys to the parents of recruits. And it is an important part of recruiting. We are in good hands with Hoke." I totally agree DonAZ ... with some people you can tell they are "talking the talk" and trying to say all of the right things. With others you can tell they are speaking sincerely from the heart, and Coach Hoke is certainly one of them (as was LC in the past).
DonAZ
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 7 p.m.
"RM ended up better off than if he had stayed at UM." That is absolutely a true statement. "LC gave his advice based on what he thought was best for RM, which is what he promised to the family he would do when he recruited him ... look out for and take care of their son." That is the core of recruiting. I've heard many coaches say that in interviews -- Holtz, Saban, Meyer, etc. That is not to say Rodriguez did not offer the same with sincerity. It simply means that Carr followed his word in this case. Hoke has said again and again that an objective of his is to use football as a tool to teach players to be better men and better husbands in life. I believe he truly, sincerely means it. And that conveys to the parents of recruits. And it is an important part of recruiting. We are in good hands with Hoke.
David Vande Bunte
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 4:47 p.m.
If I were Lloyd Carr, I would done the exact same thing. Ryan Mallet CLEARLY didn't fit into Rich Rodriguez's offensive scheme. Taking bias out of it, and looking at it from a completely objective standpoint, if you were asked about what Mallett should have done, knowing the type of QB he is, and knowing the type of QB needed for RichRod's offense, wouldn't you have told him to go somewhere else too? He wasn't a good fit, he knew it, his parents knew it, Carr knew it, and RichRod knew it. Why try to convince him to stay at a school that no longer needs him? Mallett was recruited to run Carr's offense, not RichRods. This isn't an attack on RichRod or anything like that, just pointing out how different the offenses are. Mallett in the spread option is a square peg in a round hole, just like Threet and Sheridan were. Yes, Mallett was far more talented than either one of them at throwing, but he would have had the exact same struggles running as they did. So, instead of 3 wins, we get 5. Whoopity doo! Mallett was the right QB for Carr's system, and 100% the wrong QB for RichRod's. How exactly would Michigan have benefited long term by having him stay? Would the team have been better off watching him try to run RichRod's offense, knowing he was poorly suited to do it? Would the team have been better watching him consistently get tackled behind the line of scrimmage because he lacked the speed to bust through, with RichRod kept calling QB option plays anyway? It would be different if Mallett was a mobile QB, and would have fit in the offense. Then you could say Carr told him to transfer out of spite. But, in this case, I don't think you can really make that argument. RichRod didn't want him, and he wouldn't have fit in anyway. So, what exactly is the problem?
heartbreakM
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 4:40 p.m.
I think there is enough "wrong" to go around. LC gave honest advice to his QB, which probably should have been kept confidential. Does he give advice to his player to stick around in a situation that is bad for him just to benefit Michigan or does he honestly assess the situation in the best interest of his player? And what of the report that former coach never dealt with Mallett? That also seems wrong. First thing former coach should have done during the bowl prep was to meet with every player, get to know them, and get them on board. Sounds like that did not happen. But it seems to me that the retooling process started with the former coach thinking he needed to completely destroy and rebuild from scratch rather than actually improving what was here--his right to do that, but ultimately, his failure.
Meangoblue
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 4:11 p.m.
There's this one guy that I know. He runs a trailer park off of M 14 and he said: Your King, Your King toss him in the can, Look Mallet in the eye RR and be a man, With Borges we now hav a real attack, Theo and the MCC, quit smoking that crack. MEEEEEEEEEEEANchigan football is back!!! GO BLUE!! TiM!
Blu n Tpa
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 4:06 p.m.
Can some of you guys read? Jim Mallet "asked Carr for advice in the Winter of 2008"! tater, what would you have told him knowing you gave your word to look after his son during recruiting? Remember the WCiMFH is noted for not being forthcoming to the Mallets, as stated in the story. Come on, answer a meaningful question for once or are you going to just ignore it like your idol did? "What's in the past, is in the past" has already been used but there's lots of other excuses left over you can cop out with. tater, DB didn't take over until after Coach Carr was two years removed from the HC position. Talk about a stretch. That's like Rosemary Woods' reach with the Nixon White House tapes! And, just as believeable. "(T)he classiest guy I've ever been around, besides his own father." A quote you will NEVER hear or read refering to the WCiMFH. The losing "King" is still GONE!
Blu n Tpa
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 3:37 p.m.
OK let's cut to the chase. DRob was, without a doubt, the best QB in the country running the spread offense for the WCiMFH and yet the team still lacked a defense and special teams after THREE years. So after watching the last three games of 2010 season you: (A) Still blame Coach Carr and the mystery people in the AD office. (B) Blame Coach Carr for not bringing in players right for a spread offense the year BEFORE the WCiMFH was hired. (C) Accuse Wisconsin, Iowa, MSU (Mi), PSU, and tsio, of not playing fair because they brought a kicking game and a defense to Big Ten games. (D) Let the facts speak for themselves and say goodbye to the worst era in Michigan Football History. TiM Go Blue!
Theo212
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 3:11 p.m.
1) bin Laden has gone away 2) Vindication Day for Our King 3) 2nd grade/bluehair faction needing now to revert to damage control mode Does it get any better? With the truth out, maybe now we can all be united and post only pro-Michigan comments. Go Blue! How about a nice poem? Our King, Our King has now been cleared. See him worshipped and revered. With Borges now we have no attack; Be smart, DB, and bring Our King back!
1st Down
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 11:14 a.m.
Bin Laden is dead, thankfully. Rich Rod's coaching career in this state is also dead, even more thankfully. RR stunk and did a terrible job. Only a fool could not see that. 52-14 dude
tater
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 3:10 p.m.
It's great to finally see proof that Carr, if not his entire Carr-tel, was indeed sabotaging the program. Carr allowed his personal agenda and his petty ire over not being allowed to name his successor to affect his judgement. So, what does David Brandon do? He goes against what Bo would have done and fires RR before his five years are up. Then, he gives the Carr-tel it's way and takes credit for "uniting a fractured athletic department." I guess letting the people who are causing the fracture in the first place have their way is the easiest way to "repair" the fracture. The bottom line, though, is that Lloyd Carr thinks he is more important than the University of Michigan football team. Actually, since David Brandon gave him what he wanted, Carr has no reason to believe otherwise. The Carr-tel sabotaged the football program for three years and were rewarded by being given their way. I don't fault Brady Hoke, though. On the contrary, I applaud Hoke. He was in San Diego minding his own business, applied for his dream job when it came open, and was hired. I also don't fault him for riding along with the "Michigan Man" meme if it helps recruiting. But this entire episode makes the University of Michigan and a large part of the fan and alumni base, not to mention most of the Carr-tel, look exactly like their stereotype of RR: ignorant, dishonest, narrow-minded hillbillies.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Sun, May 8, 2011 : 12:29 a.m.
"But this entire episode makes the University of Michigan and a large part of the fan and alumni base, not to mention most of the Carr-tel, look exactly like their stereotype of RR: ignorant, dishonest, narrow-minded hillbillies." This message brought to you by the president of the MCC. Good Night and Good Luck
azwolverine
Sat, May 7, 2011 : 2:36 p.m.
Of course you knew Bo far better than Carr or Brandon and can speak for what he would have done as an informed expert.
GeeWhiz
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 2:55 p.m.
Ryan Malett left because of Rich Rod's arrogance, period. RR wanted to clean house. He could have reached out to RM but he thought he was this offensive genius that could come in and wave a magic wand and UM would automatically win. We all know how that turned out!
chill out
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 2:49 p.m.
"Daddy"???
Bill
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 2:12 p.m.
Not only did Carr tell mallet not to stay, he also told other recruits he had been recruiting to go to other schools. Carr undermined RR from day one, throwing a tantrum because he didn't get the hired that he wanted. He even lied to Morgan Trent and told him that RR bad mouithed him to the NFL scouts. The scouts later said RR had nothing but good things to day about Trent, and when confronted about it hr threw Trent under the bus. This practice gate thying we got probation for, and everyonw blamed RR for our first violatios ever, was actually started under Carr. It was Carrs people in the AD that done all odf this. RR took the blame for it all so as to keep Carrs record clean. These are just some of the examples of what Carr pulled against RR. He was also given the choice of supportiong RR or resigning, and he resigned. I don't care if RR was the coach he wanted or not, or if he liked him. All Michigan fans should always support the team no matter who the coach is, and you can't support one and not the other, it doesn't work that way. RR didn't end up living up to our expectaions, but he should have been given the support, and the chance to succeed. Lets hope that everyone gives Hoke all of the support he needs, and any coach who comes after him, whether we like him or not. I would bet anything BO would never have let this happen to RR if he were alive. Bo liked RR, and thought he was a good coach. The Team, The Team, The Team!
missionbrazil
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 5:06 p.m.
Bill, I would add 1 more thought to your comments ... the X Files shows were all based on real events that actually took place too.
Blu n Tpa
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 3:21 p.m.
"RR didn't end up living up to our expectation,...and the chance to succeed." Bill, so which on is it? Did he do his job or was everything someone else's fault?
johnnya2
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 2:46 p.m.
You are wrong on so many levels: " given the choice of supportiong RR or resigning, and he resigned" He stayed on THREE years after he stopped being the football coach. Even if you say he left his department position due to RR, he was under nno obligation to support a cheater and whiner "All Michigan fans should always support the team no matter who the coach is"... NO this is blind loyalty and stupidity. If the coach cheats, whines, makes excuses, I will NOT support the team. The coach is a reflection of the team. I will not support the catholic church because they allow pedophiles to stay as leaders. I will nto support a coach who is in fact a PROVEN cheater. " first violatios ever, was actually started under Carr" just factually incorrect. Sounds like what republicans do all the time. Make it up and reepat the lie often enough and it becomes their reality. I stopped all financial donations and attending games under the Rodriguez junta. I said from the very beginning, I didnt care if RR went 13-0, he was still a cheater who needed to be fired.
PrideLand
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 1:27 p.m.
Another failure to communicate for Rich Rod. That is too bad. If you are going to be in charge of helping these kids, you need to communicate with them directly, not let them just figure it out on their own. I feel differently about Ryan Mallett now and I am starting to see the real reason Rich Rod failed at Michigan. Maybe the lack of communication at the personal level (something Lloyd Carr was good at) was the reason that players felt there was a lack of family. Not that Beron (sp?) should ever have gone to that school to the south if he ever thought he was a Michigan man.
Blu n Tpa
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 1:06 p.m.
F27 What? Nature abhors a vacuum and when you can't get straight answers, (or as it sounds in this case, any answers) from one source you look elsewhere. There has been many versions of what happened with RM. He left before the WCiMFH arrived. He left after talking with the WCiMFH. And now, which you seem to have missed in the article, RM left because he couldn't get the WCiMFH to even talk to him man-to-man. (Look him in the eye.) Mallet leaving was, at worst, a badly handled situation by all parties but as the head coach, the WCiMFH had the responsibility to take the lead. He didn't, which resulted in the same outcome regardless. F27, if it was your son and your family couldn't get an answer from the HC, and you went to someone you trusted, wouldn't you want THAT person to be honest and upfront with you? I don't know about you but if I needed to talk about my son's future, TODAY, and I had to choice of Coach Carr or the other guy, there's no doubt who I'm calling. How about you? TiM Go Blue!
michboy40
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 1:05 p.m.
Lloyd Carr wasn't doing Michigan or RR any favors. Thanks Unfortunately, RR didn't do himself any favors either! He should have reached out to Ryan and at least given him a chance to see if they could co-exist. It sounds like RR was good with Threet/Sheridan.
Blu n Tpa
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 1:26 p.m.
mb40 It wasn't about favors, it was about "futures". Coach Carr filled the hole the WCiMFH ignored and answered the hard questions put out there by a family that believed him, trusted him, with the future of their son. Was Coach Carr's advise wrong? Given that everyone has seen how flexible a certain ex-coach was with players already on the roster when he arrived, do you now disagree with what RM did or do you think he should have lost years sitting on the bench watching Michigan lose? Your call.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 1:22 p.m.
Had the WCiMFH reached out to Mallett, it seems unlikely that Mallett would have seen the need to have reached out to Carr. But the former not happening meant (very reasonably) that the latter did. As in almost everything else that happened in his tenure, the only one to blame for this failure is the WCiMFH. Good Night and Good Luck
MetricSU
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 12:21 p.m.
Very curious. At first I thought all the RR bashers were dead on the money. Not so sure now. Certainly seems like the cards were stacked against RR before he ever got into town.
Blu n Tpa
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 1:34 p.m.
You're right. If RM had stayed Michigan would have had a great defense and special teams. The offense would have been changed to reflect RM's skill set and Michigan's running backs wouldn't have cobwebs across their facemasks from lack of use. The words "fullback and tight ends" wouldn't have been deleted from the playbook and the WCiMFH wouldn't have started almost every PC with another excuse. Or NOT!
81wolverine
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 12:02 p.m.
Interesting about Carr's recommendation. But, this article still only presents one side of the story - from the Mallets. For one thing, I've heard Mallet wasn't exactly the easiest person to be around. Maybe that had an impact on the transfer? Just saying. Either way, it's history and Michigan football has moved on.
Theo212
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 11:56 a.m.
(Sound of throat clearing).
Blu n Tpa
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 11:35 a.m.
1st, with the success of the spring and getting off to a great start recruiting, the number of comments from those who shall go nameless has all but bottomed out. Coach Hoke and staff have put a stamp of no nonsense, let's get to work attitude, there isn't anywhere or anything the fans of the WCiMFH can say or do. Michigan has a long way to go before the wins start to come but right now I love what I see. TiM Go Blue!
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 1:20 p.m.
"That's a lot easier to do when you don't have the previous coach telling your starting QB to transfer on you." The WCiMFH had fired the kid's coach and had made no effort to reach out to him. It was Mallett who had to contact the WCiMFH to see what his future might be. Then he reached out to someone he trusted for advice. Given events of the past three years, it seems clear that Coach Carr game him sound advice. Or was Carr supposed to be loyal to his replacement while his replacement had shown zero loyalty to the coaching staff and (in the case of Mallett) to the players left behind? Loyalty is earned or (in this case) lost. In this case, the WCiMFH made his own bed when he came in and fired the entire coaching staff (- Fred Jackson). That's a VERY clear message: he had no loyalty whatsoever to the people in the program he inherited. Good Night and Good Luck
Forever27
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 12:43 p.m.
That's a lot easier to do when you don't have the previous coach telling your starting QB to transfer on you.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 11:19 a.m.
So much for the MCC's contention that Mallett was leaving before the WCiMFH arrived. Good Night and Good Luck
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 10:19 p.m.
Hmmm. Let's see. The MCC, for the last three years, has been spinning the fairy tale that Mallett had decided to leave BEFORE the WCiMFH had arrived. Now it is clear that he had not made up his mind. So now the 1st vice president of the MCC is hanging his hat on "How do you know he wasn't thinking about it?" Well, we don't. But we DO know that the MCC fiction of the past three years is . . . wait for it . . . fiction. And we do know that the WCiMFH made almost no effort to keep him at Michigan. We do know that the WCiMFH made no effort to contact Mallett, and that it was Mallett who had to contact his coach. And we know that, having been blown off by the WCiMFH, Mallett sought advice from someone he trusted. And, according to the MCC, Carr was supposed to suspend disbelief (kinda like one must do in order to enjoy "Star Wars") and recommend that Mallett stay at the UofM with a coach who didn't have enough interest to contact Mallett and who appeared dead set on implementing an offensive scheme that was not suited to Mallett's skill set. Yeah, that makes sense. To the MCC. Good Night and Good Luck
Dusty
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 9:10 p.m.
Where in the article did it say that Mallett never had a notion to leave until Carr told him to in January?
golfer
Fri, May 6, 2011 : 11:12 a.m.
who cares?. play where you want to play with the offense that fits.