Ohio State vacates 2010 football season, including 37-7 win over Michigan
Remember that 37-7 Ohio State football win over Michigan last season? The one that extended the Buckeyes' win streak in The Game to seven?
Never happened.
The Columbus Dispatch is reporting that Ohio State will wipe the 2010 season off its record books as a self-imposed punishment for allowing ineligible players to compete by not reporting NCAA violations.
Former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel and the Buckeyes celebrate a 37-7 win over Michigan on Nov. 27, 2010, in Columbus, Ohio. That win, and 11 others, will be vacated by the university.
AnnArbor.com file photo
Wiping out the wins, which includes a Big Ten championship and Sugar Bowl victory, is part of the university's response to an NCAA Notice of Allegations submitted on Friday.
In it, Ohio State is admitting major violations but does not suggest losing scholarships or receiving a postseason ban because no other school official other than former coach Jim Tressel was aware of the transgressions.
"The responsibility is upon Tressel. No other institutional personnel were aware," says the response, which was obtained by The Dispatch. "The institution is embarrassed by the actions of Tressel."
Along with vacating the 2010 season, Ohio State has placed its football program on probation for two years.
Vacating wins from its 12-1 season does not equate to Ohio State opponents claiming victories in those games. That would occur only if the Buckeyes forfeited those wins, which they have not done.
In the official annals of the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry, the 107th playing simply didn't occur. Ohio State's win streak goes back to six and Michigan's series lead grows slightly, back to 57-43-6.
A copy of Ohio State's response to the NCAA Notice of Allegations and other related documents are available on the school's website.
Comments
Gregory H.
Mon, Sep 12, 2011 : 2:37 p.m.
Hey heartbreakM- Perhaps you should take a dig at the NCAA. Did the NCAA entourage not hear the press conference before the Sugar Bowl in OSU players admitting breaking NCAA violations? Is the NCAA not the boss? They are the real cheaters by not stepping in and suspending the players from the Bowl game. However, we know why that did not happen- $$$$$$$$$$!!! Would not surprise me one bit if the agreement the players made in coming back to OSU for following season did not involve the NCAA thinking heads! I can only guess with the many tattoos you see on college athletes, especially in basketball and football, most of them were not paid by the athletes. The NCAA and schools take advantage of these kids based on the money they make- not all have scholarships. Some of the NCAA rules are dumb. It is the athletes on the field, floor, diamond etc. pouring out their sweat and blood to hopefully get a ring. They should have the right to do what they want with the ring (personal belonging) even if it foolishly buying tattoos. Because even if they sold the ring for money to help support their family in a tough financial situation they would be breaking the NCAA "dumb" rule.
mojo
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 7:09 p.m.
So think carefully getting that tattoo next time. . .
RJ Leddy
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 6:23 p.m.
Leave it to blue, to beg for a win. Is that the only way you could win? You guys are pathetic! Granted, without the suspended players you would have still lost 30 to 10, might even have been 45-10, remember Tressel deliberately kept the score down. Tressel lied and he should have been fired.
genetracy
Mon, Jul 11, 2011 : 1:47 a.m.
Well Bludogg, what has the mighty blue accomplished thus far? They could not even win their own spring game. They have a new coach with RR's undersized players. This years game with the Bucs will be their bowl game. Expect a good old fashioned whipping by OSU. And yes, as unethical as Tressell was, he did hold last year's score down. I suppose you insist the blu defense held them to "only 45 points"
Blu-dogg97
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 6:42 p.m.
pathetic post by a desperate buckeye fan... beg for a win?? Michigan must have been begging for 132 yrs now,and to have the most wins in NCAA history.. 57-43-6 vs osu,There RJ and it will be growing.. osu might have had they're way with RR teams,but there is a change ahead..
Blu-dogg97
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 1:43 p.m.
Free tatts and cars aren't the crime,its the cover up and lies ...Its been going on for more than 10 yrs in my opinion. Pryor wouldn't have got the finances he got in C-bus in AA.. The feds are involved here also,those tatt parlors were a haven of corrupt activities for the buckeye players.. drugs ,sex,tatts,cars, $$ and more money,and They're faithful preacher Tress not only knew about it,he promoted it as a recruiting tool.. that to me is where the advantage comes from ! an in coming recruit to osu,can get free tatts, cars,sex and money,come on ! that will change they're influential young minds every time!! I've heard rumblings of bookys and gambling rings tied into these mess also,if the Feds get wind of this,specially betting on NCAA games,I hate to think of what might come of all this.. I wonder what Thad is thinking and feeling right now?? The basketball program is just as dirty as the football program.. This investigation could go on for years to come.. I'm very thankful for the integrity of Dave Brandon,and Hoke &Co. commitment to honesty and hard work to win on the football field... Michigan will be Michigan football again and the Wins will come to follow...
Hailmary
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 12:38 p.m.
In my opinion those dedicated college football fans in Columbus did not deserve that mess that Jim Tressel allowed to happen and exist for quite some time. On one hand I realize after the last 10 years that in some strange way it's entertaining to rub their(fans) noses in it after all,they sure made fun of us about Rich Rodriguez. I don't look at it that way but rather I see it as a misfortune for the, Big 10 and college football as a whole and that includes us fans. When you eyeball Jim Tressel you perceive him to be the, "All American Guy", well that bubble was popped. Jim Tressel cultivated an image of clean cut, brush your teeth and clean behind your ears and throw in a littlle, good time religeon and walla, you've got a con artist in skarlet and grey. These guys are like the old tent bible thumpers and it works real well in the midwest the heartlanof America probably wouldn't work on the West coast. On the West coast a guy like Pete Caroll fits write in and he's still on the West coast. There are a handful of these guys around the country and in my opinion,Mich. is going to play one of them next year, "Roll Tide"
OldBittyBates
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 3:26 a.m.
From what I understand, the inappropriate behavior OSU players have committed may go back ten years or more. Is it possible rules were broken in how they were recruited in the first place? That would explain why Michigan couldn't compete well against them on the field. Even so, I blame the last three losses to the Bucks on RichRod's porous defense. It would be best in my opinion if TSIO got rid of its current president, athletic director, and current football staff. They need to start from scratch and begin anew.
vanga
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 3:19 a.m.
That is the only way for U mom to not lose. Buckeye will kick your butts for the next 10 years again. Oh, in the class room too!
mun
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 1:23 a.m.
Shouldn't OSU also have to vacate the 2002 BCS title? If my memory is correct, Maurice Clarett took money from a booster.
Blu-dogg97
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 8:23 p.m.
Very good point mun!
Tru2Blu76
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 6:42 a.m.
No, Pryor did not go to OSU to get free tattoos: he went after Jim Tressel arranged a meeting between him and a well known "source of wealth" which Tressel had used for years to lure recruits. Tressel was not "recruiting" - he has a long track record of bribing talent to his teams. Pryor is known to have taken money for autographs and for "his" OSU memorabilia. He dodged out of town to a shaky future as an NFL prospect. Even the NFL is wary of players who have their own "private enterprises" going on while they are still in college. Also, there is a very long list of Tressel players who have been charged for or charged and convicted of minor crimes but who never served more than a two-week suspension during practice seasons. Then there's Maurice Clarett: who made a false police report using Tressel's office phone! Clarett has admitted this and a lot more: mainly, he says, to highlight the crimes of the school which swept him under the bus. This leads one to think that maybe the NCAA is going to "make up" for looking the other way so many times (actually, accepting OSU's word they were disciplining players). So this is no minor thing and that's the almost unanimous opinion of authoritative sources like SI and ESPN.
PHXblue
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 3:57 a.m.
I keep hearing that the NCAA will come down hard on TSIO, but when I think back to last year in the time leading up to the Suga Bowl when the NCAA was also aware that the players were ineligible but allowed them to play in the game... I fear that the NCAA would refrain from levying the ultimate sanctions when they themselves turned a blind eye as well. Of course the full story of Tressells knowledge had not yet unfolded, but we did know the players eligibility had been compromised and the NCAA allowed them to play just as Tressell did.
DonAZ
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 4:08 a.m.
Ah, but a hard sanction is their repentence. That's what all this sabre rattling is all about -- USC, and now sights set on OSU and Oregon -- an opportunity for the NCAA to re-assert itself at the bad-ass of college sports. Of course their doing it *after* the bowl season simply makes us question their motives. But their motives are easy to discern ... $$$ That's it. End of sentence. Period. Put a bow on it. Say goodnight Gracie.
Terry Star21
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 3:01 a.m.
I sure seem to remember all the talk from sources familiar with NCAA violations and penalties - and talk was there could be the strongest penalties ever given to a school. Now that being said, whether or not those sources are creditable - osu sure knew that this was a distinct possibility. To assess themselves with such minor penalties now, is just a slap on the wrist. The NCAA will do the right thing. I certainly do not wish the osu any grief, they have done that to themselves - but it sure is a frustrating and miserable time to be a buckeye right now. You can read it in their fans comments on these pages. MgoBlue...........don't you wish you were Blue !
aareader
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 2:16 a.m.
OSU must be REALLY nervous and hopes these actions will get the NCAA to go easy. If the NCAA does fold and not do more its credibility will be zero and an invitation for any other team to ignore all the rules. The NCAA can start by making OSU forfeit all games and give back monies like for the bowl game. Then limit a lot of scholarships and bar them from playing in the post season for 3 to 5 years. That would be a start and send an important message to all schools that want to be part of the NCAA. Letting Tressel retire? What a joke. That means he gets more benefits and slaps OSU in the face. In fact it makes it appear OSU is condoning the mess he made of the football program. This should really go over good with the NCAA.
Jaxon5
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 1:36 a.m.
Sometimes, things just work themselves out. Beautiful. Love the result.
GettingBluer
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 12:49 a.m.
I sure wish WE could vacate our 2008-2010 seasons.
mojo
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 7:08 p.m.
ha ha ha
burton163
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 1:31 a.m.
Ha! Good one!
missionbrazil
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 10:52 p.m.
OSU is finally throwing Tressel fully under the bus, trying to distance themselves from him, and trying to minimize the damage. They know they are in big trouble. They are using someone's weak "throw him under the bus" strategy that is all too familiar to us during the last 3 football seasons.
Rob Cypher
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 9:04 p.m.
Well, at least OSU won't be stealing any more high-profile high school players from Pennsylvania any time soon - they can come to Pitt where they belong.
GettingBluer
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 12:50 a.m.
There IS a pretty good college in State College, too.
Chad Williams
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 8:31 p.m.
Who cares about whats going on off the field. Michigan fans remind me of cavs fans basking in the glory of Lebrons failure to win a ring as if they were the team to beat them. On the field we have been dominated, 7 years in a row havent won in columbus since 2000. Why are we cheering as if we had anything to do with their so called demise? Who cares about RR now get over so stop making articles about him also. Yes the defense was terrible anyone who wathced Michigan for these 3 years knows that. What people arent looking at was the defense(secondary especially) was trash. App st did anyone forget that? How a FCS team handled a so called great defense coached by your guy himself. I will admit the run D was better under Carr but besides Marlin Jackson and Leon Hall. The secondary was a weak spot Under Carr, Woodson was there before he was actually hired. Hoke isnt winning the recruiting battle he is too scared to compete with the SEC and battle those schools for players. He is playing small ball and going to Ohio and trying to take advantgage.
Blu-dogg97
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 8:27 p.m.
Chad please don't compare Michigan fans to cav fans.. You lost all credibility with that statement..
scott
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 12:32 p.m.
lol wut?
genetracy
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 7:44 p.m.
I guess this is the only way blue can beat OSU. A victory handed to them after getting their butts kicked.
TRUEwolverine
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 8:48 p.m.
Guess the only way state can manage to get 1/3rd of a B1G Championship is to cower away and not play them at all.
Blu n Tpa
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 8:22 p.m.
Getting their butts kick by ineligible players using a lying coach as a screen so they can break the rules to win games so that they can get other players to come in a get illegal benefits....Ah, THEY CHEATED!! The only way? Check the record vs O-LI-O State. Really?
MyBoyBlue
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 7:16 p.m.
OH BY THE WAY - Michigan just picked up another 4 star recruit out of Ohio -- the exedus continues from that State. GO BLUE
a2miguy
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 7:05 p.m.
Vacating wins as a punishment is a joke. Frankly, I think that instead of these wins being wiped off the record books, the records should reflect that OSU had a 12-1 season, and then should state very clearly that they cheated to acheive that record. And this goes for any team vacating wins for breaking the rules, not just OSU.
rightmind250
Mon, Jul 11, 2011 : 3:26 p.m.
So lets get your argument correct. Cheating doesn't count if you still don't win? Isn't this the case at UM. They are serving ncaa sanctions for cheating but, there team was so bad it didn't help.
PrideLand
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:50 p.m.
WOW, that is all OSU is going to do to itself!!! The arrogance is unbelievable! Time an NCAA slap-down! I an guessing around 20 scholarships and no post-season for 2 to 3 years based on what other schools have gotten. Also, expect the NCAA to change those vacated games and other years to be forfited because the school played with inelgible players. That is they would have been inelgible if the NCAA had been told about the violations. Now that the players played in games they should not have, they will be forfeited.
heartbreakM
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:46 p.m.
I think OSU is a joke at this point. I lost a ton of respect for its program in light of the pre-sugar bowl brouhaha when Tressel, Smith, and its entire UNIVERSITY (not just sports) allowed those players to play, despite committing violations that warranted punishment. It showed to me that Tressel, Smith, et al were interested only in wins, rather than ethics. After the Sugar Bowl, when all the lying and doublespeak became apparent, it just reinforced to me the problems that they have down there, namely ethics. Tressel should have been fired, not allowed to resign. He flat out lied to the higher ups and NCAA, actions which are entirely unacceptable, all in the name of winning. And for OSU to try to throw him under bus is disgraceful. It starts at the top. Just look at Gordon Gee's comments a few months ago. Vacating wins is fine, but the problems run so much deeper there. This response is just a joke.
rightmind250
Mon, Jul 11, 2011 : 3:23 p.m.
Hey Joe, Thats peanuts compared to the idiots running the assylum in AnnArbor. What did it cost them to buyout richrod at WVU and fire him three years later. I am pretty sure it cost them over 5 million not counting his salary. Oh yeah, isn't michigan serving ncaa sanctions for cheating? Thats right.
Joe
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 4:19 p.m.
heartbreak....he now didn't "resign'...he was allowed to RETIRE so he will get all of his vacation time coming to him, use their health insurance plan AND get his salary for the month of May...over $52,000!!! Oh, and they DROPPED the $250K fine!!! Instead of paying THEM, THEY are paying HIM!!! How's that for making him him pay for where he has put O-LIE-O????
MjC
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:26 p.m.
Something like this hurts fans tremendously; I still remember the UM Basketball scandal and the firing of Steve Fisher. It has taken the basketball program years to recover. Sorry Buckeye fans... hang in there.
DonAZ
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:33 p.m.
Classy response MjC ... nicely worded.
Macabre Sunset
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:21 p.m.
For a non-game, it was fairly one-sided. I'm not a big believer in this current trend of vacating wins. It doesn't make me feel better about Michigan's lack of performance. It was a fair contest, even if Ohio State did cheat a little to attract better athletes. It's not as if it's a level playing field in recruiting - the Michigan helmet alone guarantees a top ten recruiting class (or did, before Hoke's predecessor came aboard). As for OSU, well, the NCAA is big on self-flagellation these days. They first ask the child, "well, what do you think your punishment should be?" Then they think about it for a few months and decide if the child punished himself enough. If the child were defiant instead, they might lose television appearances and bowl games in the future - that's what OSU is trying to avoid here, because that would impact current recruiting and future revenue.
semperveritas
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:20 p.m.
if they wish to treat this seriously-----and that hasn't happened yet----- let them VACATE 2011. now that would BEGIN to address the realities.
Terry Star21
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 2:47 a.m.
Well hold on...we haven't heard from the NCAA yet....
Jeff Richard
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:10 p.m.
The last time I checked, criminals are not permitted to sentence themselves. Self-sanctioning is a lame way to try to slide by and the NCAA had better not buy this crap. They need to forego every win since they broke the rules and like the Fab 5 sanctions, OSU needs to have their program substantially impaired in terms of future scholarships. Just like Woody Hayes, Jim Tressel has ended his OSU career in shame. Let's see what kind of attitude they will have when they can't beat Bowling Green because no one wants to play for them.
DonAZ
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:08 p.m.
So help me, if I hear one person say this proves Rodriguez should have stayed I'm going to toss my lunch. This is vacated on paper only. Ohio State still spanked Michigan on the field. And people can say all they want that Ohio State fielded a team by cheating, but I'd challenge anyone to tell me exactly how selling memorabilia or getting free tattoos would make that much difference ON THE FIELD. Better players? Do y'all really think Terrell Pryor went to OSU because he knew he'd be able to get some free tattoos? Yes, Ohio State broke the rules. Yes, they should pay the appropriate penalties. But the simple fact is that on the field on that Saturday last November the OSU team completely outplayed the Michigan team at every point on the field. And I don't blame free tattoos for that. I blame the destructive coaching mindset that prevailed until early January of 2011. So ... note the vacated games ... but don't take the eye of the real objective, which is what Hoke and his staff are pursuing -- a rebirth of Michigan's commitment to physical and mental toughness, fundamental execution, and earned victories through hard fought teamwork.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 2:56 p.m.
@superbuck: Keep up with that story. It is, after all, your only hope. Of course, Tosu vacated wins, etc . . . because nothing could be proven, right? Regarding the WCiMFH: The MCC conveniently forget that the WCiMFH has had a flexible relationship with ethics throughout his coaching career, culminating in UM's first probation (albeit for violations that pale in comparison to those alleged at Tosu). They also conveniently forget that the WCiMFH put in a herculean effort to get Pryor to Ann Arbor. Can only imagine what might have happened here--Pryor playing under someone whose sense of ethics has the malleability of Silly Putty. No! Wait! I don't need to imagine anything! It's what happened at Tosu! Good Night and Good Luck
ThoseWhoStayUofM
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 7:16 a.m.
Do I think Terrelle Pryor went to Ohio State because he would get free tattoos? Well, I certainly believe he went to Ohio State because he knew he would be treated as a God walking amongst mere mortals - and getting free tattoos is part of that. That is something Michigan cannot truthfully offer their recruits. The University of Michigan just doesn't care about football like they do in Columbus. Many of you (I hate to use the term) Walmart Wolverines may disagree but until you actually attend the university, you don't have the perspective. The students and the faculty just don't care about football like they do in Columbus. It's just a fact and I believe that is exactly why Pryor chose OSU. Face it, the kid is an arrogant egomaniac. Do I believe Terrelle Pryor went to Ohio State because he would receive special treatment... ABSOLUTELY AND EMPHATICALLY YES!!!
Terry Star21
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 2:46 a.m.
Agree with DonAZ....I just threw up a little bit in my mouth....
missionbrazil
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 1:54 a.m.
Check the records ... 98% of the time it is the MCC/RR lovers who bring up their old flame first, even when the article has nothing to do with him. It used to be 99% of the time, but DonAZ just lowered it to 98%.
superbuck
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 1:37 a.m.
But it doesn't matter what SI, ESPN or Yahoo! report. It's what the NCAA can prove, and that task became much more difficult when Pryor bolted for the pros, freeing him from any obligation to cooperate with NCAA investigators. As of today, the NCAA has not notified the school of any additional allegations. If it does, the Aug. 12 hearing would presumably be delayed, and OSU would be given another opportunity to respond. Until then -- if "then" even happens -- none of that other noise bears any relevance on the proceedings. The only charge of import is Tressel's lie, for which he will likely be given a healthy show-cause penalty. Theoretically, the Committee can still tack on extra charges (two scholarship reductions for each ineligible player used seems within the realm of possibility). But without a broader charge against the institution, Ohio State may very well escape the massive sanctions everyone seems to think are inevitable. Read more: <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/07/08/ohio-state-ncaa-response/index.html#ixzz1RZFWSeGs" rel='nofollow'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/07/08/ohio-state-ncaa-response/index.html#ixzz1RZFWSeGs</a>
ZooWolverine
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 8:03 p.m.
Good thing you still have your lunch since you're the only person who's brought up Rodriguez. I disagree with your argument as well, however: 1) There's a very strong chance that free stuff at one program is enough to draw players. Free tattoos were enough of an enticement that many players violated NCAA rules to take advantage of it. Even if you don't buy that, I think it's hard to deny that free cars (or free access to cars), would be enough to change the minds of a lot of recruits. 2) Ohio State's not in as much trouble for student athletes taking benefits as for a coach taking no action when he found out. It's not that Pryor got better because he had a free tattoo, it's that if the coach followed the rules, Pryor et al shouldn't have been playing many of their games and that clearly makes an impact on the field.
Jeff Richard
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 7:58 p.m.
Automobiles! This isn't just about tattoos and memorabilia...these are just the most recent and the only thing the NCCA could pin directly on Tressel. Tressel was in trouble 3 times prior and escaped. If you wanted to play for OSU, you and your family received cars for next to nothing....in one case it was a dollar! And yes, this does impact who plays where. It's very similar to the U-M Fab 5 scandal. What we know from the Rodriquez era though is that even when players hated him, the best they could come up with was practice time violations. U-M has gone clean and now OSU must do the same.
a2miguy
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:59 p.m.
Believe what you want, but the absolutely indisputable fact is that OSU KNOWINGLY played ineligible players. That is called CHEATING. Does Michigan win if those players are not on the field? We'll never know, of course, because they CHEATED. OSU is generally very deep with talent at every position, but last season they were very thin at QB. Maybe OSU still beats Michigan, but I can just about guarantee you this: Without Pryor and the other cheaters, OSU does not go 12-1. No share of the Big Ten title. No BCS bowl game. And maybe.... just maybe... no win against Michigan.
smokeblwr
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:55 p.m.
The only way we lose in November is if Hoke loses his ability to point at players properly (check out nearly every on-field picture of him, he is pointing!).
rightmind250
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:41 p.m.
smokeblwr, What will be your excuse on Nov26th. That will be OSU's bowl game. They will probably beat UM like a redheaded step child.
DonAZ
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:32 p.m.
Because I know how this group thinks. We endlessly hear about bringing back "our King" at every opportunity. The MCC-ers would have brought it up eventually. Mark my words.
semperveritas
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:26 p.m.
yes, i do think that pryor and others headed to columbus in part because of the 'opportunities' and lax enforcement that have been hallmarks of the program. and that, sir, does translate to onthefield advantages.
smokeblwr
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:18 p.m.
Who said anything about that? You are the first to bring it up so it sounds like RR is still in your head. It is over and done. As RR used to say "Its in the past". Let's get ready for Hokeamania! Nothing has gone wrong in the last seven months and I assume nothing will go wrong this year. 13-0!!
truebluefan
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:17 p.m.
Why are you so fixated on Rodriguez? His name didn't show up until you mentioned it. You, Murrow and missionbrazil just can't let it go.
GoBlue1984
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 5:52 p.m.
594 days since Ohio State's last win against Michigan!
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 1:56 a.m.
Actually I think it fair to say that it has been at least 4246 days since Ohio State won a football game w/o cheating (last victory of the Cooper era was 11/11/2000). Good Night and Good Luck
Mumbambu, Esq.
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:51 p.m.
Thanks for doing the math and saving me some time!
Craig Lounsbury
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:03 p.m.
now that's what I'm talking about....;)
truebluefan
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 5:52 p.m.
Who cares about vacated wins? Nobody. It's not even a slap on the wrist. OSU is doing everything in their power to skate from this thing.
81wolverine
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 5:32 p.m.
Somebody in Columbus must be taking some serious hallucinogens if they think the NCAA is NOT going to slam them harder than that. Between Tressel-gate and the basketball program major violations not long ago, if there isn't a lack of institutional control at OSU, then the term is meaningless. In the latest head-scratching comments from AD Gene Smith, he believes TSIO has an excellent compliance department. Really. Then why in the next sentence does he say that they are implementing new controls and measures to monitor athletes - most of which any half-competent athletic department at another school would already be doing? It just keeps getting better all the time.
David Vande Bunte
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 9:55 p.m.
Lorain, it wasn't all that long ago that WE were considered darlings of the NCAA, with all our rich traditions, etc. The NCAA still came down on us. Even with lots of 9-3/8-4 seasons, Michigan football has always made the NCAA a lot of TV money, because our fan base is so wide spread. Because of that, I disagree that Ohio State will get a slap on the wrist because of their status.
Lorain Steelmen
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 8:01 p.m.
I hope that THE osu DOES get severe punishment, BUT, I also know that THE osu is a 'darling' of the league, and, the NCAA, and more than likely, will come out of this, with just a hand slap. Sorry, but money talks, and osu is in that previliged group.
Forever27
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 5:58 p.m.
the whole press release is nothing but doublethink. They even admit repeat violator status but claim that, ""corrective and punitive actions are appropriate." If those actions were appropriate, they wouldnt' find themselves in the position of being repeat violators.
MyBoyBlue
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 5:20 p.m.
HAHA - thats like kicking the weight of a sinking ship; blaming it for having too much weight; and not punishing the crew who loaded it in the first place or failed to catch before the ship left dock. The basis for a lack of institutional control is that you were not watching him (OR THE PLAYERS, who incidentially also knew) in the first place. NICE TRY. That team down in Ohio keeps trying everything it can to avoid what is coming down the pipes.
rightmind250
Sun, Jul 10, 2011 : 4:32 p.m.
Hey Joe, Could, woulda , shoulda. I don't live on maybes. The facts are they have not been sited for LOIC. I was simply pointing that out to the uninformed blueboy. UM might have a winning record this year, but we will have to wait until the season starts to find out.
Joe
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 4:07 p.m.
250....the NCAA can still charge them with LOIC if the investigation finds additional issues that would equate to LOIC. LOIC is not off of the table just yet.
rightmind250
Fri, Jul 8, 2011 : 6:37 p.m.
The ncaa did not site them with lack of institutional control. You might want to educate yourself before spouting off.