NoBowl4Blue

Thu, Jul 8, 2010 : 7:08 a.m.

I believe I counted 6 Hawkeyes, 6 Buckeyes and 4 or 5 Badgers on that Top 25 list. I believe MSU had 2. I think we know where the best players are. It's a sad statement of where this program is and where it came from under Rich Rod. I sense there will be millions more spent to defend him from something in the future

wvtroll

Thu, Jul 8, 2010 : 6:18 a.m.

Is there to be an update on costs through May and June any time soon?

Jaxon5

Wed, Jul 7, 2010 : 8:23 p.m.

Let's count the number of Michigan players in ESPN's pre-season top 25 Big 10 players. Zero! None. Zip. It's stunning. That's the state of the team today after two years. Mission accomplished.

Sean T.

Wed, Jul 7, 2010 : 7:31 p.m.

Completely separated from reality. But so freakin'funny though!

Terry Star21

Wed, Jul 7, 2010 : 2 p.m.

Oh yes, the amount of money to defend the Greatest College Football Coach and Team of the 21st century doesn't matter - Michigan will get it back with loyal supporters, bowl venues, TV, etc...priceless... To many non-believers, non-supporters (many athletic supporters) and a ghost is just a figment of an imagination... 2010 Season - Michigan wins...Big..!

Terry Star21

Wed, Jul 7, 2010 : 1:52 p.m.

The only thing that really matters is the 2010 football season, which by the way was very successful....Michigan continued to dominate and win, the naysayers here dwindled week by week and went to the osu and msu posts to harass their loyal fans..'Great time to be a Michigan fan'... They only argument or controversy was, whether to build a shrine for RichRod or continue plans for Rodriguez Hall...'Great time to be a Michigan fan'... I, like the good people in this post, can hardly wait 8 weeks...'Great time to be a Michigan fan'... 2010 Season - Michigan wins! - 'Great time to be a Michigan fan'.....

RobbiesBoyfriend

Wed, Jul 7, 2010 : 12:57 a.m.

@ AAROX, The #1 recruit (Henderson) of 2010 was just released by USC and may also end up at OSU. That would give them the #1 overall recruit in 2 of the last 3 years. I personally think he ends up in miami though, Offensive line is pretty deep at OSU. I dont think he wants to sit even one game. On Topic: I think half a mil is too much because we could have done just as well with any attorney in the phone book.

Jaxon5

Tue, Jul 6, 2010 : 8:58 p.m.

Responding to a poster whose nickname starts with "Sparty": My comment is on topic because the investigation is hurting recruiting. And, the sooner the thing is over the better everything regarding football will be, including recruiting.

RobbiesBoyfriend

Tue, Jul 6, 2010 : 8:43 p.m.

Willie, also remember that the minimum contribution to the university ised to be $1500 in Lloyd Carr's last year in order to be eligible to buy a pair of season tickets, the bar is now at a $500, so crude math says they loose a million dollars for every 2000 season tickets sold. now not everybody pays the minimum, but ill go ahead and guess 50% do, so how many of the 111000 seats are reserved for season ticket holders? say 80,000 seats go to season holders so thats 40,000 Pairs of tickets. of those say 20,000 (50%) pay the minimum of $500. thats a loss of (20,000 X $1,000) $20,000,000 for the year. rough numbers of course.

willievrine

Tue, Jul 6, 2010 : 7:15 p.m.

This post has been removed because it contained positive and supportive comments about the University of Michigan. Theres a time and place for that sort of thing and this aint it.

willievrine

Tue, Jul 6, 2010 : 7:13 p.m.

Michigan spent 4 million to buy out RichRods contract. Michigan spent half a million dollars on the NCAA investigation. Michigan spends 2.5 million to RichRod to coach its football program. Priceless! RichRod is a bargain at any cost. Net: 2010 Big Ten Championship.

spartyisyourlilsister

Tue, Jul 6, 2010 : 6:37 p.m.

So according to the annarbor.com staff these posts are on topic: I don't know if this is a result of the investigation, but "Michigan is awful" in the current recruiting race for high school talent according to Fox Sports columnist Scott Schrader, July 5, 2010. Time to put together a packing party at RR's house. I'm in! Spend an extra $200 on bus tickets on their way out of town...leaving a ruined football program, defaulted mortgages and lines of credit and probable lawsuits and more bad PR for the University in their wake. Ode to Rich Rod fans. Rich rod is our forever king to who we always praise and sing, for if the cupboards weren't so bare, we would have something to campare. But Carr was awful sometimes winning only 8 however our king will one day win and that will be great. It may take him years because the cupboard's bare, and of course of that the king makes everyone aware. The kings loses can mean some trouble but with the King's 4 wins he hopes to double, and win one against the vest, because we RR followers think the king best. records don't mean a damn thing, lose,;ose,lose still go Blue we sing, It wasn't the kings fault we finished last, It was Carr's, not the kings who's style is fast. No worries about this upcoming season, if we lose again and again Carr's the reason.

dk

Tue, Jul 6, 2010 : 12:10 p.m.

Edward Ghost, you and I might finally agree on something.

MetricSU

Tue, Jul 6, 2010 : 10:38 a.m.

RobbiesBoyfriend: You may not understand the ethos of the faculty at UM. One does not do things that are beneath one -- unless notariety is an end result. Have you noticed that UM has contributed very little to discussions about the state of the Michigan economy, and how it might be approved? That's because it's "only" the state. Devoting time and energy to helping the state would be equivalent to "outreach," and is best left to the lesser minds at MSU and the other state universities. The same is true of asking law professors at UM to defend the athletic department. That's work for people who, maybe, got a law degree from UM. Not for the vaunted faculty.

trespass

Tue, Jul 6, 2010 : 3:42 a.m.

@RobbiesBoyfriend- Faculty and students tend to be idealistic and hared to control. The administration hired a law firm so that it could make sure that any misbehavior they found was kept secret under attorney client privilege. The administration is all about power and control. They are not about to let loose a bunch of students and faculty.

RobbiesBoyfriend

Tue, Jul 6, 2010 : 12:10 a.m.

At the corner of S University and State street is a place called Hutchins Hall, a great old brick and Lime Stone building with a great old courtyard all covered in ivy, Thats where the Law students and faculty hang out to smoke their Pipes and sip on single malt Scotch. Hows come the michigan law school cant represent the university? I mean come on law is law right? and while i understand there are certain lawyers who have specialised in NCAA cases, we could have assmbled a hundred person legal team of professors, graduate students, Doctoral students and some 5th year seniors and done just as well for 20% of the cost. Why not turn michigans legal defence into a class project? why not get 3 or 4 students writing their Thesis on michigans situation? It just doesnt make any sence to me why a law school wouldnt be able to defend themselves against the NCAA.

aarox

Mon, Jul 5, 2010 : 10:16 p.m.

I don't think we are 'awful'. That's a stretch. Our recruiting is down, big surprise with our record and the perfect storm brewing around us, but we are far from 'awful'. I am concerned though. There are 5 "ESPN TOP 150" commits to the Big Ten. All of them are going to either OSU or MSU. Not a good sign. I don't care how we turn this around but it needs to be fast.

Jaxon5

Mon, Jul 5, 2010 : 8:41 p.m.

I don't know if this is a result of the investigation, but "Michigan is awful" in the current recruiting race for high school talent according to Fox Sports columnist Scott Schrader, July 5, 2010.

lumberg48108

Mon, Jul 5, 2010 : 8:35 p.m.

@GettingBluer that is the most arrogant statement I have read here, that "if you're not a Michigan Alumnus, your opinion doesn't really matter much." Why? Only an alum can be critical and point out failings but non alumns are not allowed too? Why? Cause u say so? This is a public institution supported by tax dollars of this state - one does not have to pay tuition to have a relevant point. Furthermore - Mich alumns are not part of some secret skull and bones society - u got a degree from a school - good for you!

mike from saline

Mon, Jul 5, 2010 : 10:56 a.m.

Note to Gettingbluer: I am not a Michigan Alumus, But I am a Michigan tax payer, and have been for close to 40 years. Until UofM becomes a private University, and stops taking public money, My opinion certainly does matter. Don't Kid yourself!!

mike from saline

Mon, Jul 5, 2010 : 9:20 a.m.

Half a million bucks? Chump change!! UofM spent 10 million bucks defending their racist admisions policies. For all that money, they ended up with a split decision, and the Michigan civil rights Initiative. Don't they have insurance policies to cover this kind of thing?

walker101

Mon, Jul 5, 2010 : 8:46 a.m.

Half a million dollars, just one good day at the concession stands.

heartbreakM

Mon, Jul 5, 2010 : 8:20 a.m.

Interesting discussion. Murrow: I agree with your points, and I think they are sensible, but please don't tell Dwayne that his opinion does not matter. I agree that alumni have more at stake in the sense of shared ownership of our university, but everyone's opinion matters if they are willing to post and discuss (albeit anonymously). And Tater: why does every point-counterpoint that you post end up with "well, MSU (sic) is bad (paraphrase), so why don't you report that, Trolls"? None of us care what MSU did or did not do. We care about how RR has mismanaged the Michigan program and embarrassed the program and university. MSU players or record have nothing to do with that.

Sean T.

Mon, Jul 5, 2010 : 2:06 a.m.

Dwayne, doesn't passing the buck require diverting blame from the head to subordinates below him? Then that's exactly what RR did in regards to the NCAA violations and his dealings in the real estate scandal. He's the head coach and everything revolving around football activities commands his attention and oversight. I looked for him to say "Hey, I'm the coach and this is on me and it will never happen again". But what I got was a bunch of excuses! It's the same thing in regards to his recent recruits. Every head coach knows if the kid is straddling the line of qualifying or not and usually a good coach would only select student athletes that would fit our standards at Michigan. I don't hate RR.....I just hate what he does!

Dwayne

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 11:34 p.m.

GettingBluer, that post wasn't worth reading once and now you run it again. You're killing me. Dude, I don't care if you graduated from UofM and neither does anyone else. It doesn't somehow make your opinion matter. Good grief, half of the alums don't even like the athletic department (especially football), because they're treated better because they bring in the revenue, yet so inferior intellectually (at least, that's what most probably think).Why don't you just call the AD and tell him what you think. I mean, you're an alum, you've got that kind of pull, right? Of course not. Like I said before, your opinion carries about as much weight as mine, that's why you're on this board. Get out of your chair, find a mirror and repeat the following, "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me." And all of that about how we used to competitive with recruiting. Now, you're really killing me. I love the rose colored glasses and revisionists history when it comes to Lloyd. Listen, I like Lloyd and I think he's one of the classiest coaches, but those 8 - 4 seasons were pissing people off. Seriously, there was a lot of chatter about firing Lloyd going back several years. And no one liked it that Tressel Owned him the last few seasons. So, you, Murrow and the rest need to settle down with all of the pretending about how great things used to be. Lloyd was the coach for 13 years and only won the conference title five times, the last being in 2004. I may as well add a comment for Cutty while I'm here. What is it exactly that you are trying to say. For every good season that a coach has, you are going to be able to find exceptional players on that team. It's ridiculous to think otherwise. Are you trying to say that a good coach can only be defined, if there are only mediocre players on his team? I'm not following the logic. Now, if you are saying, "I don't like RR, so I am going to say that he only did well, because he 'got lucky' with those players". Okay, I see that logic, even though it's broken. More talking from the seat of the pants.

cutty240

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 9:50 p.m.

Three people made Rich Rod a much better coach than he really is,and was.Pat White,Steve Slaton,and Owen Schmitt.Check his record before they started playing for Rich.All there are in the NFL.He got lucky with them,but i think his luck has run out now.

GettingBluer

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 9:11 p.m.

Dwayne, if you're not a Michigan Alumnus, your opinion doesn't really matter much. I am and hate to see MY alma mater dragged down both in terms of ethics and results. This "cupboard was bare" is 100% crap...even the QB he ran off is the third ranked college QB in the country and you ooh and ahh everytime he manages to snag away a "potential" top 50 QB from the likes of the University of Toledo or Eastern Illinois State or Washtenaw Community College (or whatever). We USED to compete with USC, Nebraska, Florida, Florida State, Notre Dame, etc for recruits...now, we're lucky to get the dregs. And, FYI, I wasn't a "Les Miles" person or had to be a "Michigan man", I just saw the clay feet long before you ever will.

Jaxon5

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 7:18 p.m.

Guys, this was all part of an elaborate plan on the part of the former AD to subordinate the football to the other sports programs. The goal was to have football cost more money than it makes, lose more games than it wins, and have a stadium with added benefits for a few wealthy people, with minimal improvement for the average fan. Mission accomplished!

wvtroll

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 6:19 p.m.

Here's the problem I see with the "Can't use what you got but have to do it my way" line of thinking: Maintaining a good team depends on yearly recruiting. At best, you need a great QB recruited every four or five years. The type of offense that RR uses requires a better than average QB to do all the reads and split-millisecond decisions. There are plenty of candidates every year, but getting a great one requires a recent team history to make the QB want to attend UM. At present, that isn't the case. They'll go elsewhere, and at the current rate of decline at UM and it's recent history, it'll only go down. As I recall, one of those Ivy league teams used to be a historical great, but today, not so much. You can only live on historical accolades for so long. So he gets his one or two recruits, and for whatever reason, one might get injured or one might now turn out to be the flame everyone thought the kid was. After all, these are high school kids for the most part. So that shoots down the spread for a little bit. Does this mean the coach should adapt to something else? Until RR shows he has that type of QB depth, this is a reality. He'd better learn to use what he has real quick instead of hard-heading it into his own downfall. I'm not a UMer, but I recognize what humiliation some of you are going through at the present time. RR says he loves Michigan and would never leave. Why would he not like such a generous atmosphere? One that pays for all his mistakes and blunders. Part of the reason he left WVU was that they wouldn't pay for a website for him to promote himself and reap in more money through the contributions it was to generate. WVU's AD put his foot down and bluntly said NO! You may have an AD with his hands tied for the moment. Or he may be incapable of making the right decision whenever that might be. I'm not so sure you all can afford either the AD or RR for much longer before things start getting REAL expensive. And oh yeah, Mr. Murrow's Ghost, I really like the way you present your case. Hard to argue against the way you put things unless you use suppositions, which is no real way of presenting facts.

What's Goin' On?

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 6:07 p.m.

To be perfectly honest, I blame Bill Martin, U-M's former Athletic Director. Bill is a Banker, not an A.D. His tenure should only have been temporary, and restricted more to what he knows best, and that's making money, mostly off of Michigan fans. His "big-time hires," namely football and men's basketball, have not lived up to any kind of Michigan standards. Yes, Bill has built up a hefty endowment for the Athletic Department. What does this translate to the average loyal Michigan fan? Higher prices, less available seats for the fans that really care (in the bowl; non-luxury seats), and a longer line on the waiting list for season tickets. Instead of cutting us some kind of break, the Athletic Department continues to waste money to clean up and fix Bill's mistakes. Now, we might not even sell out every game this year because of his disasters. My hopes go out to David Brandon, in restoring Michigan pride to where it belongs. PS: What's wrong with renovating Michigan Stadium, with a wide enough field, that can accommodate FIFA soccer/futbol? Our state loves soccer, but yet we have no MLS team. We could have one at Michigan Stadium, playing games in the summer, earning extra dollars for the University AND for the City of Ann Arbor. Temporary (removable; gone by football season) advertising can ring the field, as is done with other soccer fields. The region already has a diverse domestic and international fan base. Take out a few rows along each sideline and add (more) seats to the tops of each end zone. Tremendous positive publicity could be generated for the University of Michigan, the City of Ann Arbor, Washtenaw County, and the State of Michigan. I don't see how this couldn't pay for itself and then some, with the right leadership in the Athletic Department. Then, maybe, the average loyal fan can finally get some relief with our football tickets, and experience.

trespass

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 3:41 p.m.

@mick52- You hire a law firm so that everything you find can be hidden by attorney client privilege. Did you not notice that when the NCAA issued its report it set up a website so that the UM administrators could look at documents but not have them in their possession so that they would not be subject to freedom of information requests. Then when they had their briefing about the report they violated the open meeting act and claimed attorney client privilege.

Dwayne

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 3:22 p.m.

OMG! Come on, Murrow. Seriously. You think that RR said, 'Get out of here.'? Mallet's no dummy. There was already talk the guy was homesick and the coach that had recruited him and had the offense that he wanted to play in, was gone. Why on earth would he stick around and try to cram himself into an offense that wasn't going to be a fit for him. U of M hired RR to be the coach that he is, not a Lloyd clone, for the sake of Mallet. Everyone knew that and I don't think that anyone had hard feelings about it, at the time. Unless, Mallet felt a little betrayed that Carr didn't stick around for him, but I really didn't hear that either. This is an example of going way out of your way to fault RR for something that he had nothing to do with. I don't get all of the Lloyd's fault comments, either. I haven't heard anyone trying to blame Lloyd for anything that has happened the last couple of seasons.

3 And Out

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 3:21 p.m.

Here is the thing about Mallet and RR running off him and the majority of non spread talent... that the RR slappies and non football types dont understand: A good coach, molds his scheme to the talent that he has to work with. Think about (if you are capable of rational thought) If Rich Rod is such a great coach and developer of talent, as you guy state...then why couldnt he have come in here and simply looked at the STACKED roster that Lloyd Carr left, and said: "Wow...lots of talent here...but not really suited towards the spread... I know they cant change and have to utilize their own talents...so Im going to bend to them, adapt my system to suit their talents and slowly over the course of a few years, as I phase my types of recruits in, I will go to my read option type spread...but only IF Im not getting great results with the system for these current talented kids" That is what Tressel, Saban, Meyer, Kelly and all of the good college football coaches do: coach up their TALENT and adapt their system. Take a look at Bo Schembechler at Michigan...he started with an option attack that suited the times in the 70s and his running QBs in Franklin and later Leach... slowly as times changed he adapted towards a more pro style passing game starting with Wangler, AC, SSmith... future HC Harbaugh, on leading up to Elvis Grbac when he left... Bo changed with the times and realized that his own coaching talent was not limited by some archaic system...or his own ego...he simply changed with the times and with his players abilities...and won. Bo won. Great coaches do this. Poor coaches like Rich Rod just make excuses for their lack of success.

Mick52

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 2:48 p.m.

I was kind of shocked when I first read this to find out the U hired a law firm. Why hire a law firm to do an investigation? Usually you hire a law firm to limit you liability i.e., hide stuff. It should not require a law firm to tell NCAA what you did err..."accidentally," right? Hire a law firm, hmmm.

M-Fan

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 2:37 p.m.

Remember, this all started with Ms. Colman & Mr. Martin paying off RR's contract so they wouldn't have to go under oath re his hiring. Any truth to the talk Mr. Martin's bank holds the mortgages for RR & staff? Surprised re Mr. Brandon's ability to spend? He's the CEO who got over $13 mil when his company was complaining that the people who really made & delivered the product were paid minimum wages.

GettingBluer

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 1:45 p.m.

Dwayne, if you're not a Michigan Alumnus, your opinion doesn't really matter much. I am and hate to see MY alma mater dragged down both in terms of ethics and results. This "cupboard was bare" is 100% crap...even the QB he ran off is the third ranked college QB in the country and you ooh and ahh everytime he manages to snag away a "potential" top 50 QB from the likes of the University of Toledo or Eastern Illinois State or Washtenaw Community College (or whatever). We USED to compete with USC, Nebraska, Florida, Florida State, Notre Dame, etc for recruits...now, we're lucky to get the dregs. And, FYI, I wasn't a "Les Miles" person or had to be a "Michigan man", I just saw the clay feet long before you ever will.

NoBowl4Blue

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 1:22 p.m.

Ode to Rich Rod fans. Rich rod is our forever king to who we always praise and sing, for if the cupboards weren't so bare, we would have something to campare. But Carr was awful sometimes winning only 8 however our king will one day win and that will be great. It may take him years because the cupboard's bare, and of course of that the king makes everyone aware. The kings loses can mean some trouble but with the King's 4 wins he hopes to double, and win one against the vest, because we RR followers think the king best. records don't mean a damn thing, lose,;ose,lose still go Blue we sing, It wasn't the kings fault we finished last, It was Carr's, not the kings who's style is fast. No worries about this upcoming season, if we lose again and again Carr's the reason.

3 And Out

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 1:14 p.m.

Ouch! The sooner Rich Rod and his cronies get bounced the better, that is for sure. Spend an extra $200 on bus tickets on their way out of town...leaving a ruined football program, defaulted mortgages and lines of credit and probable lawsuits and more bad PR for the University in their wake. We all know that is what this is coming to.

NoBowl4Blue

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 12:57 p.m.

Half million isn't nothing compared to the millions Rich Rod stuck U of M with to buy out his contract with UWV. Don't you supporters get it yet? He has to go for U of M to return to what it once was and should be. He was a mistake then, now and will always be not unlike someone else I know who if I refer to I will then have my comment removed.

Dwayne

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 12:38 p.m.

Murrow, the guy runs a completely different offense, that requires different types of players. Now you can sit out there and think that you're being cute with all of the, "the cupboard was bare" comments, but in doing so, you sound like you are suggesting that RR had all of the ingredients that he needed to do what, go to a bowl game? That's just ignorance right there. There is no way that you bring a coach in that runs the spread offense, give him Cone, Feagin, Sheridan (walk-on) and Threet and expect him to win immediately. That's just ridiculous.

genericreg

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 11:55 a.m.

It feels good to support education with my tax dollars!

Dwayne

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 11:52 a.m.

Sean T, and I'm wondering what it is about this guy that makes everyone dislike him. It seems that the 'locals', those that would've preferred Les Miles, have been out to get this guy from the beginning. It's not Rich's fault that your guy left you all standing there with flowers in your hand, so enough already. Leave the guy alone and let him build this team. And to your point about disrespect and passing the buck, that's eye of the beholder crap there, because I've seen a number of his press conferences and I have NEVER seen the attitude that you speak of. This actually boils down to a bunch of cry babies that didn't get their "Michigan Man" (which is a joke unto itself) and now they'd rather destroy the program to get Rich out, as opposed to letting him be successful.

GettingBluer

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 11:19 a.m.

Time to put together a packing party at RR's house. I'm in!

Sean T.

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 11:08 a.m.

I just wonder what it is about RR that would make fans stick with him, though he has shown nothing but disrespect and arrogance towrads the university. Whether on the field or off the field all I hear is excuses and passing the buck. His recruits, game-plans and his cheating is whithering the program to nothing. At one time I thought he desreved 4 years to get things right but that was just wishful thinking. What sensible person could support this man and see a bright future in his employment at the UofM?

Jaxon5

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 10:48 a.m.

Dave, does this count against the profitability of the sports programs at UM? Or, does it come out of another university bucket set aside for such types of things?

trespass

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 10:46 a.m.

The legal bill for hiring outside counsel to defend the University's administrators for their misbehaviour was $3.5 million last year(FOIA response) and this goes on year after year. Why don't we eliminate the bad behaviour by firing those responsible (in this case the coach). These expenses (or the insurance premiums) are paid from the general fund. Why are these expenses not the responsibility of the football program? When the University spokesman says that it is covered by insurance, this is a bit disingenuous. Who do you think pays the insurance premiums and don't the premiums go up when the expenses go up. The University administration would rather pay the expenses than get rid of the behaviour that caused the expense because they have a blank check, which is they can always raise tuition. The only ones the voters can hold accountable are the Board of Regents. How about voting out the Regents who are up for re-election, Andrea Fischer Newman and Andrew Richner, in November.

Orangecrush2000

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 8:30 a.m.

I wouldn't know for sure because I don't know the facts. But, my impression of this is that when something doesn't "go away," chances are, it wasn't minor.

maizenbluenc

Sun, Jul 4, 2010 : 8:13 a.m.

Hey Murrow's Ghost - we wouldn't be spending half a million dollars and still going if the Detroit Free Press hadn't grossly sensationalized the original story (emphasis on story). If they had shown a basic understanding of the difference between countable and non-countable hours... if they had contrasted what Michigan was doing versus any other major program... if they had done any investigation besides parroting what a few malcontents had to say and twisting two incoming freshman quotes, this more likely would have ended up as Michigan self reporting a few minor violations.