Michigan quarterback Tate Forcier: 'All you need to know is I'm out'
Michigan sophomore quarterback Tate Forcier hugs sophomore quarterback Denard Robinson before the start of Michigan's season opener Saturday against Connecticut.
Melanie Maxwell | AnnArbor.com
Editor's note: A sentence about Tate Forcier leaving the field after the game was removed.
“All you need to know is I’m out.” - Tate Forcier Less than a minute had passed since the Michigan football team beat Connecticut, 30-10, in the season opener and sophomore quarterback Tate Forcier appeared to make his decision.
Through his words and his body language, he had no interest in remaining at Michigan. When asked if he had a minute, he responded with those eight words.
Those eight words said a lot.
As the rest of his teammates celebrated a win, Forcier looked like he lost. He spent most of the game sitting on the bench, a towel alternating between his shoulders and wrapped around his head as he watched fellow sophomore quarterback Denard Robinson run through, over and past a fairly hapless Connecticut defense.
In those moments, Forcier looked like he wanted to be anywhere but Michigan. After the win, he went with his team to chant "Beat The Irish" before heading up the tunnel. He was the third person spotted out of the Michigan locker room, hugged a few people and began to walk off.
He blew off fans attempting to get autographs, instead jumping on his cell phone and searching for family and friends.
All of this was in such contrast to a year ago, when Forcier stopped and talked to almost everyone on his way out of Michigan Stadium. He was a smiling, happy-go-lucky freshman then.
He even went out of his way to search for his father when a reporter asked to speak with him.
A year later, he looked miserable.
On Saturday, the closest he came to seeing the field was warmups. He mostly sat in the back, a towel over his shoulders or his head, his helmet rarely on.
He threw the ball a handful of times Saturday, all warmup throws while Robinson, Rich Rodriguez’s current attempt as a coaching savior, lay on the turf looking bothered by his hip.
It looked like Forcier would go in. True freshman Devin Gardner stepped on the field instead. Later, both Rodriguez and offensive coordinator Calvin Magee called it “a coach’s decision.”
In doing that, in burning Gardner’s redshirt year less than a game into a season where it became apparent Rodriguez found a competent starter, the underlying message was this - Forcier wasn’t going to be the guy.
If there’s a question about the sophomore’s demeanor, it is this. He rarely cheered an offensive play. In the fourth quarter, as Michigan ran out the clock, it appeared as if he could barely watch.
He sat alone on the Michigan bench. None of his teammates was around as that towel sat on his head. He talked for a while with a Michigan support staffer. Eventually running back Mike Cox, another of the Michigan players who was in competition for a job but didn’t play Saturday, came over to chat with the sophomore.
Forcier once had the starting quarterback job for this season in his grasp. He started all 12 games last season, passing for 2,050 yards and 13 touchdowns. Saturday, with the way Robinson played and the decision Rodriguez made, there is really no way for him to win the job back, barring injuries.
How different it was a year ago, when Forcier ran off the field the happiest freshman in the world. He had dismantled Western Michigan with his arms and legs. The next week, he led Michigan to a dramatic win over Notre Dame.
There were people, me included, who said he might be the reason Michigan becomes relevant again, that he might be the reason the Wolverines returned to their previous dominance.
Then he struggled. He got hurt. Both Rodriguez and senior cornerback Troy Woolfolk called his character into question in the off-season. During the first few weeks of fall practice, he was called out by Rodriguez as someone who needed to step up his play - evidenced by the lack of wings on his helmet.
For the next two weeks, the word out of Michigan camp was that he had improved. He had settled down. He was making a real run at pushing for the starting job. Then on Saturday, he was a clear No. 3.
So as the game ended, Forcier’s walk up the tunnel was a lot different this year. There was no smile. There was no running. There was no socializing with fans.
Instead, Forcier walked off a singular figure into the arms of his family and friends, perhaps for the final time as a Michigan football player.
Michael Rothstein covers University of Michigan basketball for AnnArbor.com. He can be reached at (734) 623-2558, by e-mail at michaelrothstein@annarbor.com or follow along on Twitter @mikerothstein
Comments
S.D. Connection
Fri, Sep 17, 2010 : 11:37 a.m.
We, in San Diego, were wondering what happened to Tate Forcier! After reading this article, many of us were not surprised. The Forcier family was known for throwing temper tantrums, of sort. If any of the boys did not start as QB at their high school, Dad would move them to one where they would start. It was never about TEAM, just about his boys. Obviously, Tate has adopted that "sense of entitlement" and become self-centered. To not cheer your team to victory, should tell any prospective coach what you get with a Forcier.
Jeff
Wed, Sep 8, 2010 : 2:35 p.m.
You could tell he was being a little baby, they showed him on TV with towel over his head.. I seen last year too: the only reason he came to Michigan was for early playing time. Few schools besides Michigan could offer that. I thought they should of redshirted Gardner but they still can, even if he plays the next 2 games. What if those 2 get hurt... Forcier plays and can show what he is made out of, I heard today though he is favoring Nebraska if he leaves, TIFWIW.
a2jean
Wed, Sep 8, 2010 : 12:53 p.m.
I'd love to see Forcier back under center -- he has so much potential, and should be forgiven if being U-M QB as a true freshman turned his head a bit (if that indeed is the cause of the difficulty). Remember all the media hype a year ago? Love Denard, excited about Devin, but not ready to give up on Tate. He made some fantastic plays last year, and whatever the issue is between him and RR, I hope he can get back on the field and show us his talents!
Lokalisierung
Tue, Sep 7, 2010 : 6:22 p.m.
He just isn't that good of a QB. Denard speed gives a completely different set of headaches to opposing teams than Tate pulling his small frame off the ground after every play. He chocked in the big games last year, let's move on.
Tom
Tue, Sep 7, 2010 : 4:51 p.m.
A couple of things. 1st, I have looked all over for someone to say this, but could Tate have been saying 'I'm out' in response to their request for an interview, as in 'I'm out of here and am not talking to anyone.'? This was how I took it. Yes, he is a bit immature, but was most surely pissed off at not playing and wasn't in the mood to talk to reporters. He just chose the wrong words to explain he wasn't going to give any interviews. He went on to snub fans, etc. The article was written to stir up controversy and the author should be embarrased as a writer considering he didn't even have his facts straight on where Tate was immediately following the game. I agree with someone who said that this is terrible reporting. I like Michigan football and basketball and would love a job covering the teams. I have a degree and can watch games on the sidelines and then embelish what I am not sure of, do I get the job? 2nd- On Gardner's redshirt. If you think Rich Rod is 'saving' anyone, you are sadly mistaken. That is not a slight on him, as all coaches do it. He needs to win, and win now, more than most other coaches. He has way less room for 'saving' good players. It happens more than you think. Coaches need to win. Who knows what will happen with the 3 over the next 3 years. All we know is they need to win now, and if Gardner was playing well in camp, and competing, that means he can help this team and will play, redshirt and extra year be damned. This is big business and players careers are moved about like puppets all the time, especially with multimillion dollar coaches who can be fired for a couple 7-5/8-4 seasons....
Vnz
Tue, Sep 7, 2010 : 10:26 a.m.
Tate obviously has not taken the downgrade well. Not Saturday, not when the wings came off and probably not before that. He with the help of the football staff need to get that corrected, but mostly Tate himself. The staff encouragement isn't going to be enough if Tate doesn't get his head straight. I remember back when someone would end up in Bo's doghouse. And sometimes it lasted for an entire season or more. It was like they didn't even exist. And it was on them to turn the situation around. But what I remember most is those players that fought through it. Went the route of The Team, The Team, The Team and were rewarded with playing time in the end. Today they are better men because of it. Sulking won't get it done. If all Tate is going to do on game day is sit on the bench with a towel over his head...better he not even be there. And in that instance I am sure that he won't. That said I think it was a bad call putting Kevin in ahead of Tate. It sure made a statement to Tate as well as everyone else. Tate can take that and run with it or run away. I will go out on a limb here though and say if/when Robinson gets more seriously injured and I am betting at some point it may well happen, Kevin is not the man that they want in there at QB. That should be the position that Tate strives to set himself up for rite now. If Kevin gets the nod for an extended period of starts I fear the offense being dummyed down and the season going into the tank. I still cannot believe that Tate was passed over for Kevin knowing how valuable Tate is for that role, and burning the red shirt in the process, unless Tate gave RichRod no choice in the matter by his actions. Hopefully this situation will resolve itself for the better. That all starts with Tate. Grow up kid...fast before you make a decision that everyone will eventually regret.
Sean T.
Mon, Sep 6, 2010 : 7:51 p.m.
I believe many of us are being hard on Tate Forcier. I don't agree with the pouting but many of you act as if he isn't talented or he's soft or something. Tate gave us a lot last year as he fought through injuries, poor o-line play and little to no help on defense. To me, that's adversity! Then in (my opinion) the head coach in luei of saving his job brings on his Pat White impersonator to try to keep his job. Many of you posters think that Denard Robinson is the answer because he did great against UConn but he wasn't challenged on a talent scale. What will Denard do when he is challenged by tougher teams or when coordinators force him to pass? Tate went through all of that last year and did pretty damn good as a true freshman! Many of you are laughingly saying "See ya" but you just might get what you ask for. Hail!!!!!!
Ann English
Mon, Sep 6, 2010 : 6:30 p.m.
We don't know what his eight words mean just yet. I doubt that he already has another university chosen to transfer to, if those really are his intentions. I remember one Albert White who played basketball for the UM for awhile, impressing the sportscasters. But very soon he left the team and the university itself, transferring in weeks to a university in Missouri, where he was happier. If Forcier thinks he has to be so good at football he becomes a professional at it, then he's a perfectionist. I like John Navarre's football legacy; he had fun playing quarterback, and did not become a professional football player, but took a managerial position at some company in Wisconsin or Minnesota, and has happy memories of his UM days.
jameslucas
Mon, Sep 6, 2010 : 12:58 p.m.
If you are going through hell keep going.
just a voice
Mon, Sep 6, 2010 : 11:09 a.m.
wow, the tate webpage even has a section of 'mistakes, pain, shame and critiques', he lays it out there, very interesting i hope he can get his head together and be a part of the team, when you have your backup qb's heads in the game, they will help see things and tell the starter what he isn't seeing when he reads the D that they backups help out with
Bablat
Mon, Sep 6, 2010 : 10:57 a.m.
In a few weeks RR's future will depend on Forcier. He better be nice to him.
Hunterjim
Mon, Sep 6, 2010 : 9:23 a.m.
I hope this is the moment in Tates life that he really becomes a man. Disappointment is part of life, how you handle it will define you. He will get his chance to play. I hope he is ready both physically and mentally. I really hope he stays with Michigan, he is a piece of the puzzle that will make Michigan football great again....Go Blue!
bob bennett
Mon, Sep 6, 2010 : 7:44 a.m.
Like Bo said. The Team, The Team...... The Team. Tate just don't get it.
AceDeuce
Mon, Sep 6, 2010 : 12:30 a.m.
Man I feel bad for Tate. I know D-Rob proved himself as our number one key to offense, and if at 6'4" Gardner can be just as good he'll definitely be our number 2. But I still feel for Tate. He was a Michigan guy before he got to Ann Arbor, and did everything he could to make sure we didn't have a 2-win season last year. I hope he stays because if Robinson gets injured I think Tate is our only way to beat the tougher teams. And I keep remembering last season and how Tate was giving all of Ann Arbor a huge boost after such a terrible season in '08. I can't wait to see how Robinson and Gardner develop in the future, but I hope Tate knows he'll always be an asset to this team, and that we'll never forget last year.
Jim Nazium
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 11:33 p.m.
What a Lame Article. He's out? Really? Just like that? He's a Quitter now because YOU Said so? Speculation is for Lamo's man, shame on you for trying to be the " You heard it here first from ME Folks " Guy.... LAME!!!! Give the Kid a Break, hopefully he will Grow up and Learn that the Team is more important than his Ego.
PortageLkBlu
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 11:16 p.m.
A reporters job is to report. If Tate said those words then it should be reported. Many things have been reported about Mich. in the last 3 yrs. and it has just made the resolve of the true fans more united. I for one have never felt that I was a more dedicated fan to the Michigan Wolverines and as many of you boys and girls know I always think positive about my love of the Wolverines. The Michigan Wolverines have been a part of my life since my first game in 1955, the entertainment has been fascinating to me. Coaches and QB's come and go with fond memories and I have morally supported each one and always will and that includes RR and that includes a winning season or not. This is one game it was great entertainment and I haven't failed to notice that a lot of the complainers are absent but I suspect if we have a difficult time next week the complainers will be back, right?
iambill
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 8:49 p.m.
What irresponsible speculation. Hastily written without regard for the facts, requiring major changes to the article. A house of cards, and when you learn the facts, and they no longer support your conclusion, you stick with it. Par for the course Rothstein.
MjC
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 8:01 p.m.
Forcier is ONLY 19 people. I can't believe the terrible comments being made about someone you don't even know. This kid was being praised last year. How would you feel to go from high school to the "force" to being left on the sidelines. This article is terribly misleading as Rothstein has already corrected his article once because he misreported a fact (read the blogs). None of us know how Forcier felt during that game or after that game. And none of us have the right to judge this kid so unfairly.
Gorc
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 8 p.m.
Mr. Forcier is only 19 and he still needs to learn how to deal with life's adversities. What he went through yesterday transcends more than football. I truly hope he does not transfer and we have a chance to watch him mature and excell as a teammate. As others have mentioned: THOSE WHO STAY WILL BE CHAMPIONS
TIGERS68
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 7:55 p.m.
What purpose did it serve for this reporter to publish Tate's statement when he knows the kid was probably frustrated and out of that frustration, blurted out the now famous 8 words, which Tate probably now realizes was a big mistake. Printing this has now put Tate in a very precarious position, one that may now leave him with no choice but to leave. To me, this was a sorry example of some wannabe "reporter" trying to make a name for himself and in the process may play a big part in Tate's future at U of M. If I'm the "reporter" in this case, I would've taken the time to think about the ramifications of printing Tate's statement. What did it accomplish??? Not a damn thing, just made it nearly impossible for Tate to shake it off. As far as I'm concerned, the reporter in this case did a "hatchet" job on Tate but you people at AA.COM are going to stand up and say "It's our job to report news" but to what extent is it news. Did we, the public really need to know this??? Hell no, and this reporter didn't need to print it either. You folks better read this comment quickly because the folks at AA.Com won't leave any comment posted here very long unless it follows their beliefs and philosophies. If Tate does elect to leave, then you can give this "reporter" an "A" for Assist and another "A" for (you fill in the blank)....
ShadowManager
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 7:09 p.m.
I want to clarify that I didn't come on to say that RichRod is a mean guy and has shady ways and uses humilation and isolation to motivate his players as some tacit way of defending Tate. I actually hate Tate and think he's whiny wuss for the way he acted on the sidelines...but that still doesn't deny that Richrod is a mean guy who has shady ways and uses humilation and isolation to motivate his players, because, if he wasn't, we wouldn't have had these last 3 years of transfers, disgruntled players, and general unhappiness.
Stephen Landes
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 6:57 p.m.
Tate Forcier needs to get his act together. He is in a very difficult spot especially for someone as young as he is. Going from the focus of attention last year to being what is apparently at this point third string is a huge adjustment. However, he can change the situation and it really is largely in his hands. He can choose to be the most positive QB on the roster, work hard, and cheer on his TEAM. He can become the kind of person that everyone wants to have around even if that means one day that he chooses another school. I think it was unfortunate for ABC to have spent so much time showing him on Saturday sitting in the bench and wrapped in towels. For heavens sake, we're talking about a kid here, not Bret Favre sulking down South. What really hurts Tate is that seeing him that way is not attractive to another school or coach. One is prompted to think that it could take very little for him to display that attitude at a new school or on a pro team. Earth to Tate: get your feet back on the ground; understand that this is a long season; that if you are prepared when the opportunity comes then you will be able to help your team and yourself; if you persist on allowing great disappointment to grind you down you won't even be able to help yourself.
Valtski
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 6:16 p.m.
AAreader, Rothstein writing about Tate's demeanor is not in question. "...he had no interest in remaining at Michigan" and "...Tate Forcier appeared to make his decision". This reporting is highly speculative and to be honest, a little upsetting...even for an opinion piece.
Jaime
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 4:16 p.m.
It has been a pretty well known fact that Coach Rich has always liked Robinson but, to his credit, played Forcier because Denard wasn't quite up to the task. What did Williams do? He worked hard and supported the team. He improved in every facet of his game and earned the starting job. What did Forcier do? He sat on the bench and didn't support his team. What a baby! Tate, you want the job, work for it, earn it an support your team if you don't get to be the starter. If you can't be a team player and do whatever it takes to help your team, then leave. I am not telling him he should leave. He is still one small injury away from being the guy who has to step in and lead. He needs an attitude adjustment more than he needs more talent.
PortageLkBlu
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 2:36 p.m.
Look boys and girls, the young man got his ego bruised that's all. Tate will be fine and I suspect his father is explaining some facts of life as we speak. This football life of a QB is a fragile ego life style. I remember how upset Tom Brady was when Lloyd gave the nod to Brian Griese and yes, Tom stuck it out and the rest is history. Tate will figure it out and if he doesn't, well life goes on. Guess a good example would be the Ryan Mallet issue, did any of you miss Ryan Mallet Saturday, I didn't?
crawdaddy11
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 2:24 p.m.
Tate needs to grow up. This is what happens when someone is told by their parents for their whole life that they are a superstar (have you seen the family self-promoting website???) Denard was better last year but wasn't given a chance. Now he has and he is showing what he's got. The first comment on this article says it all "see ya!"
terry
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 1:39 p.m.
I'm sooo happy RR didn't put Tate in the game as an injury replacement. Why should he? To reward his pouting? To show the team that pouting while get you play time. The whole team saw how Tate reacts to this adversity. RR sent a message to the team: fighters play, quitters sit.
Chad Williams
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 1:03 p.m.
Wow, wat is wrong now. We find our QB we steamroll a team that was supposed to beat us and now the coaches are wrong for not putting in the 3rd string QB. If a QB besides Robinson was going to play is wasnt going to be Tate. The guy did ok LAST YEAR, but obviously his leadership ability has been questioned and it has showed that he cannot lead this team. Is he experienced? Yes. Can he throw a decent ball and have good feet? Yes. But i think its not a bad thing when we have two guys in front of him, maybe thats saying something about the other two guys in front of him. Maybe Tate didnt get that he had to earn the keys to the offense rather than be mr. i started 12 games so i deserve to play.
Lemansblue
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 12:51 p.m.
People you need to get off Tate he is still on the team. Some of you will support RR no matter what he does. No one knows what went on between RR and Tate. Tate should be the backup. RR should be a man and reach out to Tate if my qb did not want to play that would be a bigger problem. I think that shows why RR has alot of transfers Devin should have not of went in before Tate period. I think that showed the true RR. Without Tate Mi proabably would have only won one game last season.
aareader
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 12:45 p.m.
To be fair to Mr. Rothstein this is not the only article by him about this game. Many of us AND the game announcers noted Tate's demeanor late in the game. So this indeed is a news story and the fact Tate left such a negative quote is news. Even Tate's dad made a comment about Tate's remark. The great part about this comment section is we are getting many perspectives about Tate as young man, his frustration and he is not the only one to experience public disappointment and reactions. And the fact my comment is in the 60s level indicates this is quite a relevant news story.;+}
jameslucas
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 12:23 p.m.
OPINION: After the rest of Ann Arbor clebrated a win, Michael Rothstein wrote an opinion instead of reporting on the Michigan win. When he started at annarbor.com,there were people me included, who said he might be the reason annarbor.com becomes relevent again. But instead we thank god for mgoblog.com so he and us fans can have an OPINION.
perfectly lubricated weather vane
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 12:08 p.m.
Calling Denard Robinson "Rich Rodriguezs current attempt as a coaching savior" is such a revealing look into the mind of Michael Rothstein. To Rothstein, Robinson is not starting because Rodriguez thinks Robinson gives Michigan the best chance to win, and not because Rodriguez thinks Robinson has shown the most in practice. No, it's because Rodriguez thinks Robinson is most likely to save Rodriguez's job. Is this a sad glimpse of the way Michael Rothstein views his own world?
alabamason
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : noon
And for those that say this is all part of RR's "MO", i.e. public humiliation to motivate, give me a break. What has RR done to humiliate Tate in order to motivate him? It seems fairly obvious that Tate thought he deserved the starting job so he didn't put in the extra work. He simply got passed by two players, that is what should be considered humiliating. College athletes get to where they are because they are naturally talented/athletic AND they work hard. Those that continue to succeed do not gain more talent or get more athletic as time goes by, what separates them from the rest, what gives them the starting job, or entitles them to more playing time is how hard they work. How can anyone blame RR for Tate's apparent laziness/ attitude and subsequent lack of improvement? Robinson performed the best so he started. When Robinson went down, Gardner came in because the coaches thought he was the best chance to win, no other plausible reason. Robinson got back in when it was clear he was fine to play. What all of you should consider humiliating is if RR were to throw Tate in the game out of pity. Now that would have been publicly humiliating.
alabamason
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 11:51 a.m.
You could clearly see Tate acting like a baby on the sideline and regardless of his age, you should NOT expect this from an alleged leader and division one athlete. As a former UM athlete (not football though) I knew all of my peers on my team and from other sports were extremely driven and hard-working. No one settled. If I didn't do my best to make sure that I was improving I'd lose my spot on the team. That fear and competitiveness drives you to work. Tate's situation is no different than 100s of other athletes across the country, what is different is his reaction. Denard is starting because he worked his butt off in the offseason and didn't settle for being #2. Gardner was put in because he did the exact same thing, he worked hard. Often times a player takes it easy because he thinks he deserves to play based on the previous year, but a walk-on or someone else deserves it more. Look no further than someone like Kovacs. They quickly realize they're going to lose that spot so they bust again, but it could be too late. Coaches are faced with decisions like this all the time, and at the end of the day, all they care about is winning, not who they prefer to be playing. I don't think RR acts any differently. Bottom line, Tate should suck it up and work and stop worrying about his image - driving around town in his convertible. He is in a good situation and can still contribute either on the field (though don't like to say wait until DR goes down) and in the locker room. I don't know where else a 5'10 QB with a mediocre arm could play D1 football. Last thing.... How did Brian Griese, Tom Brady and John Navarre act when they were sitting on the bench?
Wayne Stowers
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 11:51 a.m.
tate forcier is too skilled as a real "QUARTERBACK" and not "a guy who gets the ball in the shotgun and takes off running" to sit on any d1 bench. i would laugh if he transferred to another big ten school and then beat mich 3 years in a row. on the other hand, maybe he should stick around because dr probably only has about 3 games left before he ends up with a dangling femur and is out for the season.
ShadowManager
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 11:27 a.m.
I agree with the posters who contend Richrod is a mean guy who uses public humilation and isolation to "motivate" his players. It's a shady way of doing business, just like everything else he does.
Satch
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 11:26 a.m.
The mgoblog piece by Tom VH is far from indicating Tate's father will prevent him from transferring. His father just says "as someone who would advise him" I don't want to be part of a transfer. The kid has dreamed of being a pro quarterback all his life and if he hardly sees the field what point would there be in him staying? Plus, with a comment like "I'm out" he'll be even more in the doghouse. And it's not like other schools wouldn't want him. If drob stays healthy, he'll transfer s0oner or later, guaranteed.
Metalc0reJ
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 11:24 a.m.
Here's my final take on this situation: this situation is crappy. I agree with those of you who said that everything would "feel better" if Gardner were red-shirted and Tate had went in for that 1 play. But I believe the Michigan coaching staff to be intelligent people, so I can only assume there was a logical course for their actions. Which unfortunately doesn't settle the unease I have about this whole predicament. Obviously, there is NO DOUBT that Denard is this team's starter. Sure, he is going to make mistakes this year, and he'd better not carry the ball thirty times a game or he won't be this team's starter for very long. Before yesterday's game, my heart was with Tate but my brain was with Denard. I feel very confident that Tate would have led us to victory yesterday too, only he would have used his pocket savvy to pick-and-pop UConn with passing like Robinson did with his feet. I just don't think this whole thing was handled the right way, I can't explain my feelings exactly. After what he did early last year, it just doesn't seem fair that Tate would be #3 on the depth chart, based on his experience from last year alone. Rich Rod or the coaching staff must have some serious problems with Tate's character, there's no other way around it. I'm excited about this season still, I'm just a bit perturbed by all that is going on here.
AArborite
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 11:09 a.m.
This could easily be a terminology issue. "I'm out" may just mean "I'm leaving the field and going to the locker room."
michboy40
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 11:06 a.m.
Tate needs to get over himself! Tom Brady and Brian Griese did not quite when things did not go their way! They worked hard, bided their time, and when the call came they were ready!!! COME ON TATE, GET WITH THE PROGRAM. YOUR TEAM NEEDS YOU!!
Magic1
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 10:58 a.m.
Team looked good yesterday. The team with the better athletes won. This will not always be the case for UM, as other schools will adapt to this offense. DRob will need to throw the ball downfield. Tate needs to rise to the occasion and realize he will get a chance to play. DG is not ready, why did we not redshirt him. All in all, I was happy with the performance. Go Blue!
win
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 10:29 a.m.
Tate is young but it is still unacceptable to pout on the sidelines while your TEAM is competing for a very important victory. I didn't see DRob pouting last year when Tate was on the field. He's showing the immaturity his teammates and coaches have been on him about all off season. He simply doesn't deserve to play. And if he goes, go now so you don't disrupt the TEAM trying to WIN. This TEAM has a chance to go to a bowl game this year. It has enough haters outside the team and doesn't need any inside the team. Bye Bye tater tot! We won't miss ya.
Pam Wilson
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 10:22 a.m.
Read this and then maybe we can focus on the WIN! Go Blue! http://mgoblog.com/diaries/mike-forcier-tate-and-transfers
Eric
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 9:38 a.m.
Since Tate Forcier is a college student I assume he knows what the words "Team" and Leader" mean. If he wants to transfer that is his right. But to sit on the bench with his helmet off and mope while his team, who worked their butts off, celebrated a great win, is pathetic. Especially on aday where brock Mealer showed what true character and adversity is, Forcier's behavior is even more embarrassing. Bo would poop his pants, may he rest in peace, if he saw what the kid did yesterday. That said, good luck to him in the future- hope he matures some at his next stop. Great effort by team. Amazing throws by Robinson- looked like a different player- he obviously worked hard in the off season.
MjC
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 9:35 a.m.
Mr. Rothstein - With all due respect, I think you owe Forcier and your readers an apology. How are we supposed to believe anything you've written in this story when you got an important fact wrong. Originally stating that Forcier left the stadium immediately after the game when in fact a blogger had to point out to you that Tate is on video changing "Beat the Irish" with the team leads me to not trust anything you've written in this piece! I'm truly disappointed in this article and all that your readers are taking from it. Forcier deserves better.
Satch
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 9:07 a.m.
Man this seems so stupid to me. Now what's going to stop Gardner from leaving too? He's going to be satisfied being DR's backup for 3 years, then maybe starting for one year? No way. Tate did the work to win back his wings, and it would have been so much better to have had him as number two (and ready to step in if DR gets hurt) and redshirt Gardner.
Jaxon5
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 9:07 a.m.
I agree with GoblueinNE_PA. These coaches seem to think public humiliation and isolation is a motivator. It is for some; not for others. It doesn't look like it's working for Tate. I understand Tate's reaction completely and I don't blame him - he was first and now he's last. I blame coaches for not getting him into the action on the sideline at least. At this point, someone needs to help him deal with it and set his sights on different goals perhaps. It's not going to happen in a week... this is going to be a long season.
GoblueinNE_PA
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 8:50 a.m.
I wish people would get off Forcier's back here. Folks keep saying, "Well DRob didn't go pout last year when Forcier was starting". Sure, DRob didn't, but DRob also knew that he was GETTING INTO THE GAME at some point. He knew he was going to see some snaps and get on the field. Based upon what we saw yesterday, if DROB hadn't gotten injured, neither Devin nor Tate was going to play yesterday. So last year, Tate knows no matter how well he played, he was going to rotate with DRob. This year, Tate knows unless DRob gets hurt AND Devin gets hurt, he's riding the pine. That's a big difference. (Personally, I hate rotating QB's and if DRob is the guy, then he should play the entire game, just saying that Tate's situation is vastly different this year than DRob's last year.) Personally, I think this is just par for the course for RichRod. His method of motivation is public humiliation and this was another example of it. So far, players have responded in one of two ways to this. They either work harder and possible get out of the dog house Or they transfer. I don't want to see Tate transfer, but I won't blame him if he does.
amelia
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 8:45 a.m.
Let me comment on the character of Denard. Last year I was at Briarwood Mall with my son and his friend. Imagine my surprise when I saw Denard and his friends with these two. My son went into Papyrus to ask to borrow a Sharpie so he could get Denard's autograph! He signed his cell phone, talked to them, and walked away and flashed his beautiful smile. It made the kids' day--and my son was there yesterday to cheer his hero on!
Craig Lounsbury
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 8:45 a.m.
@Tru2Blu76 "Our daughter.... was heart broken for the other kids (good students with great character) who had to settle for other universities." It should be noted that there are "kids (good students with great character)" who had to "settle" for Michigan when they couldn't get in to Harvard or Princeton or Yale or....
Jarhead
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 8:32 a.m.
We've seen this before and mostly with the skill players, the ball handlers. They are in the limelight all their highschool years. Much like the lead actor in a play, they want the top billing. For people that play a team sport, some act as individuals. I sincerely hope Tate gets through this and matures and adopts the team attitude. He and his skills will be needed. Patience is a hard lesson learned
aareader
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 8:31 a.m.
Poor Tate.- He was big time last year and the previous Q-back was always available. Poor Tate - does not understand competition and TEAM dynamics. Appears he does not understand if you do not take the game seriously all year it will not take you seriously Poor Tate - when things are not going his way he will go to the bench by himself not be a team supporter Poor Tate - it appears does not understand to be a successful team a second/ third Q Back will be needed. Poor Tate - has not learned yet there is no I in team. Poor Tate - until you mature and understand big time football maybe you need to "go to a school" that matches your ego
Jarhead
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 8:26 a.m.
Trutoblu76, good post!
Jarhead
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 8:25 a.m.
Eldegee, do you not think that the coaches, during the game, have nothing going on? That they would stop coaching the game to go check the benches for who may be pouting? Seriously?? The time to massage someone's ego isn't during the game. And if a player pulled him off the bench, what do you think the press and the detractors would say then. That would have been lots of fodder for them to feed on. The other players are invested in the game, not someone's hurt feelings.
Craig Lounsbury
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 7:57 a.m.
The whole "All you need to know is I'm out," quote could have just been his way of saying "I guess I'm third on the depth chart" rather than "I am transferring". I don't know either way but the quote certainly lacked a follow up question for clarification. While an opinion piece is just that it never hurts to inject a little logic objective thought in to ones opinion.
rensational
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 7:22 a.m.
Once again, azwolverine is right on. Except... People keep saying Gardner was redshirted. I didn't think this was the case. From the start of the game, they basically said Gardner was 2nd on the depth chart, and RR said Gardner probably wouldn't be redshirted. Maybe I missed something. I don't have a thing bad to say about Forcier. He did way too much for Michigan last season for all this that's going on here on this site. Most, if not all, of us are older than him, too. He has a lot to learn, and I suspect that's really why he's 3rd on the depth chart...not because RR seriously believes Gardner is better than he is. He's being "taught a lesson."
48104
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 7 a.m.
I know lots of people like to think of Rich Rodriguez as an ignorant hick, but he is clearly not stupid. There is a reason that he burned Gardiner's redshirt for one ultimately meaningless and not wildly successful series. From what Forcier's father said about discipline and from what we saw, it looks like Tate wasn't going to get onto the field unless everyone, including Jack Kennedy, got their heads ripped off. We don't know why and we don't need to know why. Yes, Forcier could have maybe handled himself with more maturity, but he's a kid and hopefully he's learned something from this new experience. Rothstein didn't win any prizes in the self-restraint category, taking one non-commital sentence and running with it. And you wonder why the press doesn't get invited to scrimmages and other events?
Bob
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 7 a.m.
Tate may need to sit down and talk to Brock Mealer.
sonicbombast
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 6:07 a.m.
GettingBluer, I'd hardly UConn a "patsy team."
Macabre Sunset
Sun, Sep 5, 2010 : 12:39 a.m.
After reading the interview with Mike Forcier on the mgoblog site, I feel a little better about this. Don't quite agree that Tate wasn't pouting - usually your quarterbacks stick closer to the coaches during the game. He wasn't showing leadership. But it was a stressful environment for him with the cameras all over him and it sounds like his dad's a stand-up guy.
eldegee
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 10:54 p.m.
The thing is - one of the upper classmen should have give Tate a choice: Either get up off the bench and join the team OR I will jerk your butt up off the bench! One of the coaches could've/should've said the same thing. But N0000, they just let the kid SIT there, pouting like a baby, embarrassing himself AND THE TEAM on national TV.
Jaxon5
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 10:27 p.m.
Nice article, Mike. What a contrast from one year ago for Tate. If he leaves, we are even more thin at QB. That would not be good for Michigan. Tate should just face reality and understand he is 3rd string among 3 unproven QBs on an unproven team. So basically, he is not a good quarterback. He is third and that's where he should be. His behavior has not demonstrated to the coaches that he should be number 1. It is that simple. He is third. On the flip side, anything can happen and he could end up as starter. Tate is not that far away from being the starter, because the other two are still unproven. Granted, Tate is somewhat farther now after Denard's performance today, and Tate's own performance on the bench.
Michael Rothstein
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 10:17 p.m.
Jeff, Thanks for pointing the video out. If you notice, we changed the story and added the video of him there.
MjC
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 10:15 p.m.
If only I could reach out to Forcier and tell him to stay strong. He carried Michigan last year when no one else could. RR overused him and the kid ended up injured and beaten down by all the criticism. He should have been given a chance to go in at some point during the game today, because he deserved that spot after all he tried to do last season. I wish people would remember how young these kids are.
longtime AA
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 10:13 p.m.
I'm sure Tate was just disappointed. According to his Dad, he is not going anywhere. However, to note the facts of the family history, brother Jason began at Michigan, transferred to Stanford; brother Chris began at UCLA, transferred to Furman. Just stating the facts!
truebluefan
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 10:10 p.m.
It would be an absolute shame if Tate Forcier transferred. DRob cheered on Tate all last year from the bench. What did Tate do today? Pout...as his team beat a good UConn squad. Totally unacceptable. It's all about the team now and earning your spot to play. Denard earned it through an offseason of hard work and dedication. He showed quite clearly that he is better than Tate. Do you really think Tate would've fared as well as Denard today? I don't. If Tate sticks around, I believe he will play quite a bit because DG is just not quite ready yet.
azwolverine
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 10 p.m.
As presumptuous as this article is, many fans are just as presumptuous by already kicking him in the pants on his way out. As some have said, he's a young guy who was very disappointed that he wasn't starting. Who wouldn't be after starting every game last year. I think what really appeared to put him over the edge in this game was when Robinson got hurt and Gardner went in instead of him. As a fan, even I was disappointed to see Gardner's redshirt burned when we had a viable backup in Forcier. That said, I wish Forcier would have handled it better but hope that he will stick it out, be a team player, and help this team when called upon. I don't know how this was handled internally before the game, but I do hope that if and when Gardner is called upon to start over Robinson in the future, that it will be handled well so that Robinson doesn't feel alienated. I can already see that if that does happen, some 'fans' will be saying good riddance to him as well. I, for one, still want Tate on this team.
SuckeyeHater
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 9:51 p.m.
Just read Garvie's comment. Hope he doesn't transfer and decides to work his butt off and "Earn" the starting job at Quarterback. I still think his attitude stinks as anyone who isn't with the team is against the team; and sitting on the bench pouting is not the way to prove you're with the team. Put in the work, gain the respect of team mates and coaches, go win the heisman and lead UM to the national championship. Otherwise bounce.
tulsatom
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 9:46 p.m.
Tate Forcier needs to learn to be a team player, period. Hopefully, the coaching staff will talk to him and straighten things out with him and convince him to stay. He may need a some encouragement and a pat on the back, which is the job of the coaching staff because after all he is the most experienced QB on the team and experience is important. I assume Tate isn't a selfish brat who puts himself above the team, but I could be wrong on that. I agree he should've seen action over Gardner, which may be the problem here. If he decides to quit, he'll join Steven Threet as players who started their first year and then saw a better QB came along to replace him. After all, It's hard on your ego to ride the bench as a sophomore after you started all the games in your freshman year.
Metalc0reJ
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 9:27 p.m.
Bah, darn presumptuous reporting! I honestly hope he stays and that this isn't as bad as it's made to sound with this article. He could prove invaluable to us this season. But the fact that Rich Rod put out the true freshman with a "coach's decision" tells me that things aren't looking too good for Tate at Michigan.
Garvie Craw
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 9:24 p.m.
TomVH is reporting that Tate's dad says he's not transferring.
Metalc0reJ
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 9:21 p.m.
Man, I was a big Tate fan. Had no idea this occurred until just now. Good riddance to him. On some levels I can understand why he was upset, but I really don't understand why he was THAT upset. He could have contributed still this year. I don't know, at least this will clear any rifts that could form in this team's chemistry. Michigan can move forward with a clear and concise direction. As much as I'm upset by this, I still hope Tate gets a starting job at another college. It will have to be in 2012 though, because he'll have to sit out a year. You still have to admire his passion for the game, but you have to loathe his attitude. Because of his attitude, a lot of teams will stay away from him. His chances of landing at another big time program are minimal at best, I'm guessing. Kind of a unique and bizarre set of events, but through it all Michigan is looking promising with a couple of very good, very athletic quarterbacks.
Jason
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 9:18 p.m.
I hope he sticks around... but he does need to know that not everyone starts... not everyone plays... but they ARE all part of the team. Not everyone will play in the NFL. If you can't cut it at Michigan, running off to play somewhere else doesn't guarantee you a lush life somewhere else... hard work, Mr. Forcier... hard work...
BornInA2
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 9:17 p.m.
Forcier is what? 19? I can see how he'd be upset. I'm not condoning his behavior, but he's 19. On the other hand, the head coach appears to have pi$$sed off another good player and I also believe he could have handled this situation better and had a solid, experienced backup cheering Robinson today. We don't know the details of what's gone on through the spring and summer, but I do believe RR could and should have done a much better job with this situation.
jeff4179
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 9:11 p.m.
Also, if you watch the video posted on mgoblog, you can see Forcier standing in front of Mark Huyge in front of the fans chanting "Beat the Irish" after the game, and the two appear to be having a conversation and pointing to someone in the crowd. A little different from Rothstein's description.
jeff4179
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:56 p.m.
Of course Rothstein is being presumptuous, and not surprisingly in a negative way. Would have been too painful for him to only write positive things about Michigan after a great start to such an important reason. It would have been interesting to see Rothstein write the Brock Mealer article. "Brock Mealer is still unable to run despite years of work with Michigan coaches."
3 And Out
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:51 p.m.
wow... I guess that says a lot about Tate... cant handle adversity? Maybe he feels he hasnt been dealt with fairly? Maybe that is true or both are true to some extent? It would be a loss for the team and probably Tate as well if he transfers out or quits the team... no way D Rob stays upright all year with the punishment he will get carrying the ball 20 times a game... Tate should know better...he is not above the team... Rich Rod should know better...keep your good players and keep your depth.... more drama in the Rich Rod Error.
Michael
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:50 p.m.
Mr. Rothstein... I know this is an opinion piece; but, you are being a bit presumptuous, don't you think. In the heat of the moment, Tate wants to be called upon. But, you have essentially said in your article that he's transferring and that "he may have played his last play" in a Michigan uniform. What kind of reporting or opinion is this? You speculate on too little information. Talk to Tate or his father and get the real scoop. Reportedly, there is "no transfer" if you believe the MGOBLOG.com blogger.
Steve
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:48 p.m.
If you stay you will be champions doesn't compute with Tate - who wants that as a leader on the field? He needs to grow up, a lot. He won't start at any other DI school like that.
MiamiBlue
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:44 p.m.
Obviously, not talking about all the positives of today's game. Just sticking with this article. I have to say for this Michigan fan, that I am not angry with Tate, but rather I am very disappointed with Tate! He needs to understand that part of being a leader is to lead by example, and that means putting in the extra effort off season that he apparently did not do, whereas Denard did. Tate also needs to understand that just because he did not start does not mean that he is not one play away from playing. He needs to work hard a prepare for that. Obviously he does not want to do that. I am very disappointed with him, and he has not shown that he is more importantly a TEAM player... This is the Michigan Wolverines TATE, not the Tate Wolverines. I am just sorry that his attitude has come to this. But, if that is it, than we don't need that here Tate!
MetricSU
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:37 p.m.
I wonder if RR made a mistake not having Forcier as the backup for this game. If DR gets hurt, Forcier is a better option than DG at this point -- at least over an extended period. But Tate doesn't seem like the type to compute probabilities about his playing time. He wants to be the starter. So he's probably gone.
Kubrick66
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:36 p.m.
If Tate does leave, which may be the case... What is RR's plan? DR has three years left. DG obviously isn't going to sit the bench those three years. So what? Does Gardner eventually take over and Denard becomes an all-purpose player? Then who is the back-up... Jack Kennedy? Tate needs to suck it up and stay the course... Never know what might happen. It's only one game. Either way... A lot of questions. But today it's all about a great win. Go Blue?
Garvie Craw
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:35 p.m.
You can't compare Forcier to Mallett. Mallett left because he didn't want to be part of the transition. He also wanted to go home to Arkansas where an opportunity was opening up. Tate came to Michigan to play for Rich Rodriguez. He started every game as a true freshman, rested on his laurels, and was passed on the depth chart. Denard Robinson had a great game, the number two QB on the depth chart goes in for a couple of plays, and Forcier pouts on the bench. That is quitting in the face of adversity.
GettingBluer
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:29 p.m.
Denard is almost certain to get injured this season (heck, he was out for a play against a patsy team). Maybe he will fare as well as Michigan's last "quitter" QB, Mallett, and be the #3 QB in the country for another team. I wouldn't blame him if he left (why stay to not play?) but I hope he stays. Devin isn't quite ready yet from what I saw.
Garvie Craw
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:22 p.m.
I hope his psyche isn't so fragile that he quits after the first game. Denard played well, but he runs so much that he could easily get injured next week. Oh, and he didn't pout when Tate was starting every game last year - even with an injured shoulder. Denard set his mind to working hard and improving. Tate didn't work as hard as his teammates and was passed up on the depth chart by Denard and Devin. Who's to blame? Tate Forcier. He has said that he always wanted to play for Michigan, but, apparently, he's more interested in himself than the team. I don't blame him for being upset, but quitting becomes a life pattern.
Macabre Sunset
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:21 p.m.
This is disappointing. He would have had some opportunity this season. His experience last season, however negative, was valuable to the team. Now it appears he's one of those guys who when his character is tested, he cries like a baby. What a waste.
peg dash fab
Sat, Sep 4, 2010 : 8:15 p.m.
see ya!