Football fans angry over bottled water ban at Michigan Stadium this fall
No water will pass through the gates of Michigan Stadium this fall, as the University of Michigan has enacted a new policy that prohibits fans from bringing it into games.
Lon Horwedel | AnnArbor.com
The entry was enough to make Don Ulisse read the letter multiple times.
Each time, it was there.
According to the letter accompanying his Michigan football season tickets, Wolverines fans will be prohibited from bringing bottled water into Michigan Stadium this fall.
“I thought it was a mistake, so I called to check,” he said. “The lady who answered the phone said it wasn’t. She said they had been getting a lot of calls on it.”
Starting with the season opener against UConn on Sept. 4, bottled water is banned, university officials confirmed. They said the policy was enacted for a variety of reasons and free water will be inside for the 100,000-plus fans attending each game.
“I understand why they are doing it,” Ulisse said. “They just spent all that money on the stadium. I’m sure they want to get some money back from the concession stands.”
That’s not the case, said athletic department spokesman Bruce Madej.
He said the ban is being implemented to speed the process of getting fans through gates and into the stadium. In years past, workers checked to make sure every bottle was sealed.
He said “many” football stadiums across the country have similar rules. Madej said the university is not looking to make money off the change.
Recent stadium renovations have added water fountains around the concourses, although the number of additions was not immediately known.
In addition, free cups of water will be available at each concession stand. Madej said the number of concession stands has also been increased. He said wider aisles will allow for faster trips to the concession stands.
Ulisse isn’t buying it.
“The lines are going to be longer. Who’s going to miss half a quarter of football just so they can get a drink of water? It’s absurd.”
He feared the university opened itself up to a lawsuit if someone passed out on a hot day and claimed they weren’t able to get water.
Ulisse isn’t the only one raising concerns. Madej said the university has received a “number of emails” and calls complaining about the change.
“I understand why they prohibit a lot of the things they do,” said season-ticket holder Mary Erickson. “But I just don’t get this. I don’t see how it could be any kind of a security concern. I think they’re just trying to get you to stand in line at the concession stand in hopes that you’ll end up buying something else.
“I think some people won’t want to go there just for a cup of water. I worry that people will get dehydrated and have issues, especially during the first couple of games when it’s always still hot.”
Madej said the university also wants to make sure its fans have a good experience at the game, and that includes having access to water.
“We want everyone to be hydrated while they are at the game. There will be lots of water available.”
David Jesse covers education for AnnArbor.com. He can be reached at davidjesse@annarbor.com or at 734-623-2534.
Comments
Tizz
Sun, Aug 29, 2010 : 5:52 p.m.
ACK! Madej is doing it again! You'd think they'd learn their lesson about this issue already. I'm not going to one game this year.
BruceBaby
Tue, Aug 10, 2010 : 10:10 p.m.
Tickets for Free Water Taking Ticket #5382 Your Ticket #83,593
BruceBaby
Tue, Aug 10, 2010 : 5:20 p.m.
Trust me...Big Brother isn't in need of a few extra bucks from the fans that can't afford $4 for water..What is a few hundred or a few thousand fans that bring their own H2O..considering Big Brother sells out at the Big Games..Hmmm remember a couple of years ago when they ran out...and yes 81+ fans were treated for dehydration..THE LAW SUITS (PLURAL)...no problem...just raise the price of tickets to pay the increase in insurance..OLDER FANS,HANDICAPPED FANS,VERY YOUNG FANS-ALL THE FANS THAT HAVE PROBLEMS GOING UP AND DOWN THE STEPS..WHO CARES..you want a drink..struggle up the steps...stand in line...take a sip...get back in line...take a sip..and go struggle back down the steps and sit...oops you missed the play of the game..ahhh told you that you should have stayed home...
annielaurie
Sat, Aug 7, 2010 : 6:16 p.m.
Wait. Forget the water bottles. Do you realize that buried in the brochure that comes with the season tickets is a little item about no bags at all? Please. What major security issue was there that mandated discontinuing the practice of having small purses, or fanny packs? Was there a major incident because a bag was not checked upon entering the stadium? Did the staff outside the gates miss someone? I would beg someone to argue that one for me. You can't argue other sporting events don't allow purses. This smells of gender discrimination, and I for one, am hoping that they reverse this idiotic decision. Will they offer free items that women might need at the concession stands as well? Absolutely ludicrous.
J. W. Ziegler
Fri, Aug 6, 2010 : 9:41 a.m.
A totally new twist here. If the players were to go to the water fountains to get re-hydrated then all the fans would have plenty of time, and maybe get some autographs too. What great PR. Sorry fans, but this how stupid this is.
Fred Hayes
Thu, Aug 5, 2010 : 6:43 p.m.
Bring back the days when I could carry a 24quart cooler in and all the Aluminum cans I could fit under two arms.
Ricebrnr
Tue, Aug 3, 2010 : 9:18 p.m.
Canuck, this thread is just a baby compared to a bunch of others in the past. Why it doesn't even tax my laptop to load this page. Some of the others though...talk about lag just due to the extended comments. Just the Comment Moderation thread at 302 comments for example. I've also participated in quite a few regarding self defense for another. So any conclusion to be drawn as usual is in the eye of the beholder.
PersonX
Tue, Aug 3, 2010 : 6:16 p.m.
Canuck has hit it on the head! May I add that it is also odd that football fans are apparently happy with the remodeled stadium that could reasonably be renamed as homage to Mussolini's architects!
Canuck
Tue, Aug 3, 2010 : 2:52 p.m.
What, if any, conclusion might an A2 Newbie reasonably make regarding the fact that water at UM football games has received more impassioned commentary (149 comments and counting) than any of the hundreds of political, social, crime or education stories I have read on annarbor.com?
GreenEggsandHam
Tue, Aug 3, 2010 : 12:16 p.m.
Boo Hoo, get over yourselves!If you don't like it don't go!
15crown00
Tue, Aug 3, 2010 : 9:06 a.m.
Brucie you know the real reason and so does everybody else.Vendors want to sell their bottled water 4 3-$5 a bottle.which of course u can buy a whole case for on the right day at the right store.You Arrogant,ARRogANT,ArrOGanT Wolverines
jameslucas
Tue, Aug 3, 2010 : 1:39 a.m.
What are they putting in the water in Ann Arbor? I personally never touch the stuff, I am afraid it will become a habit. Have you ever heard of gorilla marketing? This is just a marketing ploy for a soft drink companys new powdered water?
Speechless
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 8:33 p.m.
Wow! So this is the place where one can still discover a thriving, populist enthusiasm for fairness and justice in an otherwise indifferent modern world! On this page congregates a citizenry whose dedication to egalitarian values inspires a willingness to champion fair treatment for seniors, the very young, the disabled, and even the average punter seated down in the lower rows. Under banners flying high in the stadium sky, thirst is our social equalizer. The "we the people own it" sentiment echoes a traditional communal ethos shared in the olde English Commons. A rage against the rising monopoly in liquid refreshments recalls antitrust campaigning that broke up Standard Oil. After many long years, all it took to ignite the Great People's Revolution was an arbitrary, insensitive prohibition of personal bottles inside the stadium. Will we storm the newly-finished Bastille, liberating those isolated in its luxury? Yet David Brandon, by reviving a classic marketing strategy, could quell this revolt if he promises to deliver free water to anyone at any seat in the House in 30 minutes or less — or your money back on the price of the ticket!
dsita
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 6:04 p.m.
in addition, another point that a bottle is important, as the student section is so crowded, its very easy for water cups/bottles to be kicked around. last season during hot fall games, i usually finish a half bottle of water before going into the stadium, then only bring in an unopened bottle of water, which can get me through the entire game. However, with cups, you have to finish it at once and its hard to keep it with you if you want to have another sip later in the game. I know this probably sounds ridiculous to people in some* (yeah some, i'm not implying they don't cheer/stand most of the time) alumni sections where everyone sits down and possessions/food/beverages can be kept easily. but you have to understand bottles (or beverages, if you can survive the concessions line and get back to your seat in the student section) is essential for the student section. I have seen cases (at least 3-4 times last season alone) where someone drops their cell phone and it sometimes took quite a long while to find it as it sometimes goes through 2-3 rows of fully crowded people. Imagine having 9oz cups of water in the student section.
dsita
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 5:53 p.m.
as a student, i am not concerned about the $3 water at all, as some of the posters suggested. if you ever sat in the student section, you will understand that unless you really need to go to the washroom, most of the time it's wise to stay at your own seat. It's very common to have large student groups to squeeze in 2-3 more people and unless you're really drunk / looking for trouble, no one really complains about having to stand with your body turned (i had 9 people in my 5-seat group once) to fit everyone in. even during halftime when we want to get things from the concession stand, usually you just send 1 person from the group to buy them. It is HARD to move around in the stadium, especially in the student section. That is why I have no idea why they are making this ban. From what i heard, they are providing 9oz cups, which is ridiculous. You have to make a few trips to stay hydrated through a September game. And since they are just cups, it's hard for one person to carry a few cups of water moving through the student section. I have no idea why they won't allow empty bottles. If the person can show at the entrance the bottle is empty (meaning no alcohol), why wouldn't that work? If they are worried people might be throwing large bottles that can hit/harm people (lets say nalgene bottles), how about restrict to allowing empty small bottles (like those 16.9oz ones from kroger/meijer etc). All it takes is to hold the bottle upside down with the cap off when entering the stadium (lets say during the process the ticket was scanned), i don't see how this will delay the current line by much. Again, I don't know why so many posters above point to the money issue. imo, most students can totally afford it and its a non-issue. If they have people selling water along the aisles of the seats (like those peanut/beer/ice cream people in tigers stadium), i have no problem paying for $5 water. The problem is here is its impossible to move around the stadium, especially for a few times during a game.
Ricebrnr
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 3:56 p.m.
Bwahahahah!!! By some of your logic, YOU have no right to the air on the property. If some brilliant guy can cover the stadium and vacuum out the air they can charge you for that too! PLUS imagine how easy it would be to quell any disturbances by shutting off the air or introducing some anesthetics. AND AND the harm from any explosions would be so much less without the air to propogate the concussion let alone the flames!!!
Jaxon Boyfriend
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 3:31 p.m.
Very few articles on the product fans or wannabe fans* are going to see...are some of these people the same that spend $125.00 and a $15.00 tip at the fancy A2 Bistro's, $8.00 Starbucks coffee, etc. with no entertainment - I'll bet so! The fact is, think about all the hard work these fine young student athletes have done and how it provides 'outstanding entertainment' on football Saturday, pay the $3.00 shut your mouth, enjoy your security and a gracious Michigan football game! * this message only intended for real Michigan fans, very sorry you other 88% commenters.
bunnyabbot
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 2:50 p.m.
@ed, search "toilet water cleaner than drinking fountains"
Jello Biafra
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 2:39 p.m.
People are missing the point about "security". It's not necessarily terrorism (although that seems to be the knee jerk reaction of everyone in the country these days) but rather "security" in that they want to make sure no one is sneaking in liquor or using the bottles as projectiles. However, it is interesting to see some of the commenters on here rolling over and surrendering their rights so willingly.
Mesee
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 2:39 p.m.
@ Ricebrnr If the student theory were true, I might would agree. But living near campus and seeing the beer pong gatherings and leftover red cups on the lawns of the student housing area, leaves me to believe they could afford a bottle of water, too. Or get in line early for a free cup of water. I too was one of those poor students in the past. Most of them will buy beers before a bottle of water on game day. Oh yeah, and the student design football t-shirt. Even if it weren't for safety and the UM wanted to ban bottles at the stadium, then so be it. They are not taking away rights. Everyone has a right to not buy the water at the game and a right to not go to the game. If you want to talk social justice and rights, then it's pretty much a bigger picture than banning water bottles at an entertainment venue. Right's to water, hmm... I pay a water bill every month. Water isn't actually free these days. Well I guess it was at the Art Fair, but I bet us locals are paying for it on our water bills. Why waste the Board Regent's time over banning water bottles? Use that energy for real social justice. By the way, everyone get out and vote tomorrow too.
goblue7182
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 2:37 p.m.
Bruce Madej, I had you for a couple classes, you should have ran your explanation by a class of undergrads before putting out to annarbor.com. Your explanation is borderline stupidity, you think people are going to leave their seats and miss a quarter of football for water!?!? Let me climb past the 30 people in my row, walk down the 50 stairs, wait in the concession line, and then fight my way all the way back to my seats... for water?!?!? Going to games used to be fun...
Skeet
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 2:23 p.m.
if you pass out from dehydration I think they will give you a little tap water to drink (and you will miss a part of the game) so it is probably in your best interest to buy a beverage at some point. I have never paid "regular price" for a drink of any kind inside a stadium. $3 water isn't much of a shock to me.
Skeet
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 2:07 p.m.
tickets are already 50 bucks. just bring 50 for food, too.
JAM
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 2:05 p.m.
Less water drinking = shorter lines for the ladies' room! Every cloud has a silver lining. :)
Ricebrnr
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 1:48 p.m.
@ Meese You and others of similar opinion keep forgetting the students. How about all those students who might want to show some school spirit and go to the games with their friends? Maybe they can find the time in between their studies and that part time job (or two) that they have to have to supplement what financing and aid doesn't cover. How about not socking them with one more thing at an event and venue that should've been meant for them and not a giant revenue exploiting machine? At least call a spade a spade, these ridiculous security excuses are really galling. For crying out loud the barefoot bandit was just apprehended after stealing multiple airplanes and flying cross country. What are the plans if someone steals a plane from AA Airport on gameday? Where's the nearest airbase and how long until a gunship is on site? What's the flight time from AA Airport to the big house? People stop acting like lemmings. Step back look at the bigger picture. Little rights are eroded every day and you people just give them up readily over illusions of control and safety. Yeah it's stinking couple of bucks, we're AnnArborites we can afford it. Glad you like to ask permission and pay for things that you already had the right to do.
lulumom9
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 1:03 p.m.
Dear Bruce....I've been to every game since the inception of the sealed bottle of water rule. So far, not one stadium employee has ever asked to see my water bottle(s) to check for a seal. If you really think that's happening, you haven't stood by the gates before a game. Trust me, no one is being held up entering the stadium at the Stadium/Main gate. I've seen the police direct a very small number of people over to the tables who were trying to carry in bags. The nice thing about bringing in your own water is that you can actually have a cold drink rather than the lukewarm bottles served at the concessions stands. Since you and your new boss have done nothing but brag about the increased seat and aisle room at the stadium (something I'll have to see to believe), how about sending vendors up and down the stairs to sell water and pop rather than make everyone trudge up the stairs. They make a mint of money selling concessions in the aisles at Ford Field. Since this is really all about money (or those pesky bottles would really have been checked all along), think how much more money UM could be making if they take the product straight to the consumer!! Thanks for all your efforts to make my game day experience so much more satisfying...no, really, thanks a heap.
bunnyabbot
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 12:53 p.m.
for those saying just to use drinking fountains, I think its a well known fact that public drinking fountains are notorious for a lot of germs, you can get more cooties from them than many other public surfaces, including in the bathroom. People cough on thier hands, then press the thing for water, or they get thier mouth too close and touch it or just breathe thier sick droplets out all over the thing for the next person to inhale. When kids get sick at school doctors will often tell them not to drink from the fountains at school.
Jello Biafra
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 12:24 p.m.
for anyone commenting about "real fans" and the water bottle ban: Please explain to me how *buying* water or not complaining about the ban makes someone a "real fan". Are you that delusional?
mi4198
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : noon
maybe if they won more than 3 or 4 games per year the fans wouldn't have to smuggle in alcohol.
huh7891
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 11:33 a.m.
Kent2525....omg....I laughed so hard at your last remark.. I'm in tears...good luck at the games!!!
Mesee
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 11:28 a.m.
Really? Season ticket holders can't afford to buy a couple bottles of water. For that matter non-season ticket holders. You pay for parking, beverages/food, t-shirts and hats before entering the stadium. I find that hard to believe. People were passing out before this policy was put in place. Hmm, I wonder why they did not bring their sealed bottles of water in that time? At least the UM is offering more free water. It's an entertainment business. Is everyone taking their own bottles of water to other outdoor events that charge you a fee to enter? Summer Festival concerts, Tiger games,etc... Again it's entertainment. You can also choose to hydrate before the game (recommended everyday of your life) and buy one bottle or get a cup free. Go early and stand in line to get your cups early. I buy my water from concessions while standing line to get into my section because they make it convenient on the way in. If I couldn't afford to buy a bottle of water for a $50+ game, then I have no business in that staduim anyway. Watch the game at home instead. It's less expensive that way!
Tom
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 11:11 a.m.
One more reason NOT to attend Michigan football games or make any more donations to this money-grubbng university. If they were honest and just admit they are banning water to increase their revenue to support a $230 million boondoggle people wouldn't be so offended.
Lets Get Real
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 10:02 a.m.
Let's Get Real here - someone made an executive decision without any consideration for the unintended consequences it would cause. Like many of the comments, people see things through their own lens without concern for others. Example: those who are nimble and unrestricted can bound up the stairs for their free water. Not all are nibmle and unrestricted. But through their own lens - all are just like them and should just "stop whining" and "just suck it up." Oops! We forgot that some are too young to be left in their seats alone while their caregiver goes for pointy bottom, mini cups of water for them. Did anyone considered that these young people are the loyal UM fans of tomorrow? Shouldn't we be cultivating them by encouraging their parents to bring them to games rather that deterring them by making it as difficult as possible? (I know - leave them at home until they can appreaciate where they are - they are annoying anyway) Oops! We forgot others, who have mobility issues, medical considerations, and other conditions, restricting their ability to return again and again to get their free mini cups of water. Has anyone considered that these are the loyal, die hard UM fans who have supported the team through thick and thin for decades? Shouldn't we be making their experience pleasurable rather than deterring them from attending by making the experience dangerous to their health? (I know - let them watch it on TV. They are a nuisance anyway) Consideration for others. That's all fans are asking: for the UM to treat thier faithful as they would want to be treated. Most fans are there to have a good time, with friends and family and cheer for the team they have chosen to support. Some want to smuggle in whatever: vodka in water bottles? What percentage of 100,000+ are we talking about? And, all are punished in the name of "safety" to guarantee the contents of the container? Let's Get Real here - Clearly the bottle is not the issue. They are selling bottles of water inside the stadium. The unsafe projectile is being provided by the vendors. So, why is is empty bottles are not allowed? It is, of course, as always - the money. The "protest too much" comments from the UM representative proves it so. If it is not, prove it. What a GREAT idea in these comments: Let nonprofits station themselves at the entrances with cases of bottled water and a donation box. Let those organizations benefit from the generosity of the benevolent university. Let them buy (or get donated/sponsored) bottled water for pennies and give it away for a donation - one per person. What better win/win? The U is thoughtful about their patrons, the charity benefits, and the vendors get the sales after each of the 100,000 are distributed. One last comment: Let's get real has purchased a heavy gauge, soft plastic container, that folds flat, holds about 20 oz of liquid - designed to be a vase, but it will be put into service as my "drinking vessel" in the fall. Let's Get Real: Where there is a problem, there is a solution. Maybe my new small business will be selling these in the parking lots before the games.
friend12
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 10 a.m.
"Thats not the case, said athletic department spokesman Bruce Madej. He said the ban is being implemented to speed the process of getting fans through gates and into the stadium. In years past, workers checked to make sure every bottle was sealed." This bs. I have been to most of the games in the past 20 years (all sell outs) and there was never a delay do to bottle water checkes. It is a nice excuse, but, doesn't make sense.
Ricebrnr
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 9:10 a.m.
That reminds me of a Michael Jackson song...something about the man in the mirror....
tpmcfadden
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 8:19 a.m.
Wow! 120 comments over water bottles at UM football games? How about we all spend more time doing something positive for the community. Get a life!
bluemax79
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 7:45 a.m.
the statement that "plenty of water will be available" is a joke right? they have many times in the past RUN OUT of water they say they have more concession stands? so what if 1/2 the people are going for water unless they have 25,000 concession stands there will be a long wait with both people wanting water and to buy concessions. I just don't buy this argument that it takes longer to get into the stadium. It takes longer to check the women who take their purses than to check water bottles, how about we ban women too.... all the AD needed was another PR hit
Ricebrnr
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 2:37 a.m.
I mean even at the airport they let you have an empty bottle to fill up once past security... Not to mention bags, strollers, food, umbrellas etc... If the TSA can handle millions of travelers with these things, its disingenuous and really an insult to the intelligence of their fans to think its anything but a money grab.
Ricebrnr
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 2:32 a.m.
@Jim and Garrisondyer It was already suggested by previous commenter Andy Jacobs to simply bring an empty container. He followed up immediately after reviewing the prohibited items list that NO YOU CANNOT BRING AN EMPTY BOTTLE. SEE: mgoblue.com/genrel/060109aaf.html Prohibited Items All bags All bottles (including all types of water bottles) Containers of any kind (including coolers, thermoses, cups, cans, flasks) Aerosol and spray cans Umbrellas and seat backs Flags and flagpoles Alcoholic beverages Food of any kind Video cameras and tripods Strollers Projectile toys (including footballs, Frisbees and beach balls) Weapons Seems simplicity and logic don't run the stadium now does it? Boy you hardcore fans must be hardcore, the contraband lists at some prisons seem less restrictive especially as most of the items are comfort related.
Mertie
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 12:52 a.m.
public drinking fountains are disgusting. They could put in two hundred and I wouldn't touch a single one. I have seen too many people (kids) put their mouths over the spigots and others use them to wet their hands. Yuck, yuck, yuck...
Michigan48103
Mon, Aug 2, 2010 : 12:42 a.m.
Some one did write, oh write to the Board of Regents and something will be done and YOU will see a change. When I was fired from the U of M Hospital after, I told that I had co-workers that were sleeping during the midnight shift and two of the sleeping workers were promoted to supervisor and manager, I wrote to every board of Regent members and to the President of the University of Michigan and no one cares and no one wrote me back. After another patient almost died two sleeping workers were fired and the sleeping manager and supervisor is still working and I am still fired. So, I know for a fact the U of M is only concern about making money and they will do what they want to do and NO one cares on the board of Regents and the wonderful President Coleman, I am sure she can take in what ever she wants to any football game.
garrisondyer
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 11:50 p.m.
It seems as though the thing that's offending most people here is the perception that the U of M is trying to lure people into buying bottles of water for $3-$4 each. While I agree that this is offensive (in addition to being immoral... selling water...), it really seems like the simple, logical solution is to: BRING YOUR OWN BOTTLE AND FILL IT. Right?
A2jo
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 9:15 p.m.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ The bottled water markup is quite substantial @ the house! This story is both So amusing & ridiculous at the same time. The BIG Business of college sports continues to roll on! Do you think these same rules will be applied to the U- M Softball games??? Ya Right, didn't think so People, save your money, go to Friday night Pioneer football and enjoy yourself for a reasonable price!
Val Losse
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 9:04 p.m.
As former checker checking the water bottles if they had been opened did not delay the entry of the fan. What delays the entry is the sudden crush of fans. They don't come in over a 2 hour period. Now you will have long lines at drinking fountains. Maybe it is best for the team since they aren't winning anyway.
Wguru
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 9:01 p.m.
Wow! Just after 122 countries of the UN voted that access to clean drinking water is a civil right (with Canada and U.S. among 41 abstaining.) Keeping hydrated is important, but some may not want to pay for water or bother with the hassle of standing in line for water in the stadium. Upside: shorter lines at the restrooms. Downside: people passing out from dehydration. You're ~70% water... act accordingly.
ummsw
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:40 p.m.
Another good reason to stay home and watch the game on TV...easy access to water..and much more comfortable.
magnumpi
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:04 p.m.
I have to admit i didn't even know you could bring water into the stadium. You certainly can't at concerts. Are you allowed to bring in water at Tiger games? Or are pro stadiums different than college stadiums cuz of the whole public institution thing?
johnnya2
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 6:34 p.m.
They are offering FREE water, which they are not required to do at all. If it is so important for you to have water, you can buy one inside or GET A FREE ONE. How hard is that to understand. You are also free to not attend games. That is your choice. This is another case of people feeling entitled to do whatever they want because they see some "right" that is not there. You can's smoke in the stadium either, nor drink alcohol, bring in a gun, or bring your own food. Whether it is about money or not is unimportant.
Jaxon Boyfriend
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 5:54 p.m.
I knew this article was going to generate a lot of comments, and that just shows the state of football for the Michigan non-alum, non-faithful, and non-fans. If any of you believe 90% of these comments are from real Michigan Fans - Jaxon and I have some swamp land down in Ohio we would love to sell you.
Brian Bundesen
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 5:51 p.m.
For the love of God, people. Go early. Cough up $3 for a bottle of water when there is no line. Sit down. Enjoy the game.
magnumpi
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 4:21 p.m.
well, we USED to not have computers either, but now we do and we use them. just cause no one used bottled water "back then" (was it even being produced for the masses?) doesn't mean we can't use it now. it's all about the benjamins.
townie54
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 3:33 p.m.
no Craig it was in the 1980's,no coolers were allowed,no booze was allowed and there was no bottled water and there was stil 100,000 people
a2citizen
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 3:26 p.m.
@Craig Lounsbury: Craig, we use to bring in coolers of beer all through the eighties. And I am not talking about six packs....12 packs with ice. Since Michigan has had 100,000+ sincea game against Purdue in 1975, I am not sure the last time they had 20,000 empty seats. It stopped being fun for me when we could no longer bring in coolers...I believe they first stopped that practice in the late eighties. Anyway, year after year they chip away at the festive atmosphere. Don't worry, though, the way they are treating fans....they will have those 20,000 empty seats.
OSUbeBetter
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 3:24 p.m.
OK, I live in Michigan, Grew up in Adrian, and all through my youth my Michigan friends would try to lour me away from the dark side. one year, i believe it was the year 1998 my best friend who worked at the stadium got me a job taking tickets inside the stadium (You know those kids who stand at the opening to each section and check to make sure you have a ticket to get into that section). I think it was also Tom Bradys senior year, but i could be wrong about that. So that year i spent the season standing in the student section, shoulder to shoulder with "Super Fan" and was paid a stipend amount to come into ann arbor each week and watch football (It about covered my gas money). Standing in the student section, with 19-20 year old students who have been drinking since the crack of dawn, or even the night before it didnt take long for them to start dropping over when the sun started beating down. during one game i had to carry no less than 4 people (Girls) from the front rows up to row 75 or so, wherever the ground level is. at that point paramedics would take over to ice them down on a gurney and start the re hydration process. its gonna be worse this year, students generally don't have the extra money, and if they do im sure they wont be making the choice to spend what little they do have on 2 or 3 bottles of water. Sadly, the following year i had moved away, and was unable to work the games. my whole reason for working in 98, was to be able to work in 99 which was a home game for the Michigan Ohio State game. Crap!
Jim
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 3:10 p.m.
Okay then. Are they going to stop me from carrying in an EMPTY 32-ounce bottle and filling it directly from one of the new drinking fountains they claim are to be plentifully available around the stadium???
Craig Lounsbury
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 2:55 p.m.
"gee remember the days before there was water in a bottle and no cell phones? And there were even football games back then.And people actually survived at the games without either one.Imagine!" you mean back when you could bring a pick-nick basket or a cooler in to the game? back when you could bring a six pack of pop,some lemonade, some sandwiches a bag of chips and some home made brownies? Back when maybe there were 20,000 to 55,000 empty seats at some games?
JimB
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 2:38 p.m.
It may seem like a life time ago, but relatively speaking, it has been so long ago since you were able to bring in full coolers to the stadium. Many people had a blanket spread on the outer grass area with a cooler and threw the frisbee around. Slowly the amount of these type of items were banned year after year. Why? It was commonly known back then that it was due to concessions. Same in this instance. Looks like the everyone will need to bring in "bar noculars", flasks and other things used to smuggle booze in. But this time, it will be water.....
MyOpinion
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 2:38 p.m.
Melvin Barry, And pigs will fly before the university starts selling water at 0.50 or $1 a bottle. But, it is fun to think that someone at the university is monitoring these comments. I hope the legal department is also paying attention. The paper cup defense won't look very good if we have one of the broiling home openers and have lots of heat exhaustion folks.
townie54
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 2:24 p.m.
gee remember the days before there was water in a bottle and no cell phones?And there were even football games back then.And people actually survived at the games without either one.Imagine!
BowlForBlue
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 2:19 p.m.
Solution solved. It is reported that because of all the negative reaction, Michigan will pass out one of the bowls they have won since 1879, to each paying customer filled with crystal clear Michigan water - chilled of course!
Melvin
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 2:01 p.m.
If indeed the U "is not looking to make money off the change..." as Madej says, then let them give away bottled water once inside the gate, or that failing, drop the cost to perhaps to perhaps $.50 or $1 a bottle. If the concern is indeed security, and not about the money, should not be an issue.
jameslucas
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 1:51 p.m.
Everyone should read Peter Gleick's Bottled and sold, where he writes about the popularity of bottled water.
Craig Lounsbury
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 1:22 p.m.
@OSUbeBetter I think you may have missed my point.
mgobluegold
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 1:18 p.m.
88 comments...5 Faithful, Loyal, Michigan Football fans...thank you Ron, James, A2piggy, Brian and TerryStar21.....I see you guys at the MSU and OSU games, don't see the others there though - must have $old their tickets for the big money, they should be able to afford $3.00 bottled water for the two games they attend each season.....
LarryJ
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 1:08 p.m.
Those free cups -- are they 4 or 6 oz? -- are not enough to prevent dehydration on a hot Sept day. Unless the free water is 12 oz or larger with short lines, I think this policy is an insult to the fans as well as a threat to our health.
OSUbeBetter
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 1:05 p.m.
@Craig So if the stadium belongs to you, why cant you get in for free? Can you have your birthday party there? Just for laughs, try to enter the sky box area on a game day, let the guards know that the stadium belongs to you, tell me how well that works.
skigrl50
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 12:49 p.m.
Do you remember when they did the hideous "improvement" to the stadium with the lettering and fans revolted - they removed some of it. Remember when they were going to move commencement to EMU and the student revolted - what happened?? they reversed their decision. They do listen...
Wolverine Fan
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 12:47 p.m.
Ok people it's very simple. If you really don't like the band on bottle water. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! They are lying about their reason for the band, it's plain and simple. They want you to spend $3 or more for water, and get you to buy more food while you wait. Who wants to drink tap water, that's standing on a table for God knows for how long! Flies landing on them, and someone passing them out like their doing you a favor. And one more thing, you can go ahead and drink out the water fountain if you want :-(~ You know what you need to do! Pass the word. Supply and demand, if they can't sell it. They will do what is necessary to sell it.
Terry Star21
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 12:38 p.m.
Oh yes, and the article her titled, "Football fans angry about water bottle ban at Michigan stadium this fall" is misleading. Football fans may be angry, but there are no loyal Michigan Football Fans that will be angry, maybe a few wannabe's - but no 'faithful' for sure. Michigan Faithful - 112,000...........Footbal fans, wannabe's - 0
Terry Star21
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 12:31 p.m.
Are you kidding me...83 comments in less than 20 hours....? Why can't we get 20% of these people to say something good about Michigan Football, it's great coach, team and fans....because we sure get 50% of that number trying to berate all of that. Michigan Football has the right to ban anything they deem a security risk - if any of you were ever a season ticket holder, you would be gracious for this. It is not a 'make more money' issue - they have added many water drinking fountains and give a free cup of water at concessions. Good night, and Shut up.......
Craig Lounsbury
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 12:25 p.m.
"So if this was your stadium" At the risk of kicking this dead horse one more time...it is our Stadium. We the people own it.
OSUbeBetter
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 12:17 p.m.
So if this was your stadium, and you had the option of either making 600,000 a week, or not making 600,000 a week, what would you choose. (Average 1.5 bottles per person X 100,000 people X $4 per bottle) by the end of the season no one will still be complaining, and from here on out you get the extra bucks.
Rbud
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 11:37 a.m.
I'm in a wheelchair. Will someone be bringing me water every 15-20 minutes? Fan safety? Pleasurable experience??? Convenience for the fans?? Wait til the lawsuits start coming in. I don't think so Bruce. The ADA was passed in 1990. You had to give us more seats. I guess this is how you make up for that, eh? BAD decision.
DAN
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 11:17 a.m.
This ban will probably be maintained until the first lawsuits on heat exhaustion, dehydration, etc. I can't imagine all of the people weakened by the heat having to wait in long lines for "free water."
Robocoach
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 10:11 a.m.
No one has ever checked the tops on our water battles, or obviously the pockets of those around us with cans of beer or bottle of liquor that sit drinking the entire game. This is about the cost of cleaning up and recycling all those plastic bottle, and selling more concessions! At least tell us the truth when you make a rule! We're not State fans...we can figure this stuff out.
Bogie
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 9:59 a.m.
I have obtained information from sources inside the university. The U of M water will be cherry flavored, and will give fans a feeling of euphoria! If properly administered, the "Wolverine water" will make Michigan fans forget about every season since 1997! LOL!
Craig Lounsbury
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 9:20 a.m.
Coincidently, Michigan football lore has it that the "Little Brown Jug" was originally acquired under the orders of Fielding Yost who was concerned that Minnesota fans might contaminate the water for the visiting Wolverines. So I say if 'bottled" water was good enough for Fielding H Yost it should be good enough for me.
Rasputin
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 9:18 a.m.
$150.00 dollar for tickets to the big game, couple of bottled waters and two hot dogs $50.00, and (finally) 65.00 for parking. For everything else, there is Visa! Pft.
RWBill
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 9:12 a.m.
omg people, this just can't be that much of an issue. it's a common practice nationwide. once the boredom of summer wears off and the games begin this will disappear as an "issue".
trespass
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 8:43 a.m.
@craig lounsbury-You say "the stadium we collectively own" but you don't understand the University's attitude to public property. Don't you know that the Board of Regents delegated to each campus police officer the right to read anyone a trespass warning and bar them from ever setting foot on University property. So much for property we collectively own.
Craig Lounsbury
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 8:30 a.m.
rereading the article I find this quote fascinating: "Recent stadium renovations have added water fountains around the concourses, although the number of additions was not immediately known." At this point in the project are they still adding water fountains not specified on the original or any updated "blue prints"? How can the number of water fountains not be known when your planning to ban people from bringing in their own water?
michigan48103
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 8:28 a.m.
It is just another way for the University of Michigan to make more Money. They want you to pay top $$$ and buy from them, so they make the money and no one else. If people did not go to the games, did not buy anything when they do go to the games, and for sure do not buy the new seats and go along with all their rules, I am sure they would change after one season of making no money, but there are always a few people that think this is just fine to make so much money from the fans and the seats and all the seats will be full and the U of M products with be sold with no problem. If people did not go and support the U of M and their rules and high prices, they would change fast, they are all for making money and that is it. The football students do not even graduate and they do not care, they just use the wonderful muscle bound students.
Craig Lounsbury
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:59 a.m.
"America..."Home of the brave, land of the free". Free to whine about anything we want. But evidently not free to bring some water in to the stadium we collectively own.
David Ham
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:49 a.m.
I have carried bottled water into the stadium for years. No one EVER checked whether the bottles were sealed, so the time taken was roughly zero seconds per bottle. For a family bringing kids to the game, just buying the tickets is already makes it a very expensive outing. My past experience has been that the free water often runs out quickly on hot days. I hope they get it right this time, so I don't have to pay $4-$5 per bottle.
Craig Lounsbury
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:46 a.m.
"This article about bottled water has generated more comments than any article about the team. What does that tell you? about the state of the football program?" If you wanna talk about the team Jaxon5 I'm going to have to switch from bottled water to a Gin and Tonic....make it a double.
SillyTree
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:45 a.m.
"Ya and the Stadium existed when the used to let you bring in about anything you wanted. I don't know how but it did." It still wasn't bottled water and those bottles and bladders of wine were not helping anyone keep form being dehydrated.
Brad
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:44 a.m.
That's crazy. Watching poorly-coached football is thirsty business.
mike from saline
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:31 a.m.
America..."Home of the brave, land of the free". Is it just me, or does it seem like we've turned into a land of pathetic, whinning crybaby's?
The Picker
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:16 a.m.
The Nanny State is alive and well. The use of health and safty to control our behavior will be the death of us. Change this momentum and vote out the weenies come November! Reinstitute personal responsibility in our society!
Brian Bundesen
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:15 a.m.
At this point, whether it is about safety or the money, or not -- the decision has been made. You're going to an event with 109,000 other people who all want to do the same thing at the same time, you should expect and plan for inconveniences. Deal with them or don't go. Believe me, there will be plenty of water, free or to buy. Go Blue!
trespass
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 7:04 a.m.
Express your objections directly to the Board of Regents. Their email addresses are at http://www.regents.umich.edu/about/regents.html If they don't listen then vote them out of office in November.
KeepingItReal
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 6 a.m.
I don't know what all of the complaining is about. The U is not going to back down and that stadium will be filled to capacity every single Saturday. If fans did not spend one dime on concessions, I bet the U will change their concern about "safety." That concession food is neither good nor healthy anyway.
Gorc
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 5:36 a.m.
Wow...61 posted comments so far and most of them negative. If complaining this much about the water bottles is be big issue in your daily life....you probably have a good life.
InsideTheHall
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 2:42 a.m.
This is the first boner of David Brandon's tenure as AD. He needs to retract or offer bottled water at cost.
Big10FanInEurope
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 1:45 a.m.
This should not be a big deal IF someone at UM has half a clue and makes certain that the free water is easily accessible. With all the marketing that goes on it wouldn't surprise me if the athletic department has someone sponsor the free water and has bottles available for people to pick up as they walk through the gates. They could just have pallets of them stacked at the entry points and other strategic locations. What company or companies wouldn't want their name and logos literally in the hands of the 100,000+ fans in the Big House. I don't know the cost of a 16.9 bottle of water but a sponsor would likely get it for much less than the $.12/bottle (price per bottle of a case at Costco). On the other hand if the new AD or his people make the bonehead move of trying to pass out cups of water...
ChuckL
Sun, Aug 1, 2010 : 1:29 a.m.
Gee, I thought the new club seating and luxury boxes were supposed to pay for the "repairs". What if UofM hosted a football game and nobody showed up--except to tailgate and watch the game on TV? That would be cool!
garrisondyer
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 10:48 p.m.
What about bringing an empty, reusable bottle? You could fill it up before the game after you're in the stadium, and then refill again at halftime if needed. Maybe I missed it, but is there a policy against that??
Jaxon5
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 10:19 p.m.
This article about bottled water has generated more comments than any article about the team. What does that tell you? about the state of the football program?
Craig Lounsbury
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 10:18 p.m.
"Look if you don't have season tickets you don't need to be making comments." Except that as a tax paying citizen of the State of Michigan I own the stadium and I pay the salary's of the Athletic Department employees. The University and every paper clip in every desk belongs to we the people. When rich alumni make donations to the University they are making donations to my University...literally. I own it....along with the rest of the citizens. Season tickets have nothing to do with it.
jameslucas
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 9:51 p.m.
This is the top story at annarbor.com. But even with the baseless headline its not even a drop in the 100,000 bucket. On top of that must of the people posting comments don't even have season tickets. Look if you don't have season tickets you don't need to be making comments. If you have season tickets and don't like the new water rule sell your season tickets. If you don't buy drinks at the stadium then you are not all in for Michigan. The profits from drinks go to support University of Michigan Sports. If you can't support that, do you think your next team will let you bring in water bottles to games?
Ricebrnr
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 9:47 p.m.
Ha! Don't bet on anything coming of that. They'll likely use their coffers to stonewall or settle out of court with no liability. More than likely there's some sort of release with the tickets stating you're responsible for yourselves on their property, yada yada yada
MetricSU
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 8:20 p.m.
a2phiggy: I like the sentiment, but if everyone did that there would be no UM football. If the Big House isn't essentially full you will see the end of football and other sports, too. There is plenty of time to do what you suggest on all but the 7 days a year when there is a home football game. For example, how about all those people spending time at church help in the community instead?
stunhsif
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 8:20 p.m.
Back in my day student tickets were 12 bucks. It is really sad to see the money grubbing going on here. We all know that a handful of people are sneaking vodka into the games in water bottles but that may be 1/100th of 1%. So the rest of the 99.99% suffer because of it. It is about gouging the customer, plain and simple.
MRunner
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 8:19 p.m.
A big issue here is portability (hopefully not potability). Drinking fountains won't make up for the bottles- people don't want to constantly be walking up the aisles for a drink at the water fountain. Will the water stands be giving out typical dixie cups (no lids) making it impractical to carry and hold at your seat? Or will they be the same as any soft drink- with lid and straw? Seems like the time saved in "checking for bottles at security" will more than be made up for by the long lines at the food stands. $3 for a bottle of water is ridiculous- especially for a family, who could spend a lot of cash on water alone over the course of the game. Thinking about those hot sunny days in the bowl of the stadium makes me think there will be more dehydrated folks out there because of this. Mr. Jesse- can you find out how, exactly, water will be given out, and whether fans will be able to take enough water back to their seats to last them at least a full half of a football game?
a2phiggy
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 8:01 p.m.
Wow. I am proud of the U of M as an institution (90% of the time), but I must say that I dream of the day when the energy that gets poured into 'Go Blue' sports goes into the community. Can you imagine how great this city would be if you all cared this much about each other rather than a team, a stadium, or a bottle of water? Here's an idea: record the game on your DVR and go volunteer somewhere for the afternoon. Mow your neighbor's lawn, deliver Meals on Wheels, whatever you choose. Trust me, the reward will far outweigh the effort. And in the end, you can watch the game in about 40 minutes and not climb any stairs to get your drink of water. We all win!
Hunterjim
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 7:31 p.m.
I agree with treetowncartel, Better to listen to it on the radio or watch on my TV. The seats are too small, the cost is too high. I love my Michigan Football, but its real nice walking to the fridge for a cold one, and sit back in the easy chair! When I first started going to the games it was $1 for students anywhere in the endzones, after half time any open seat...those were the days! Go Blue!
proudparent
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 7:21 p.m.
Sounds like someone went over budget building the new stadium and they have to do something to make the money back!
Craig Lounsbury
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 7:09 p.m.
"The stadium existed before bottled water was prevalent. I don't know how, but it did." Ya and the Stadium existed when the used to let you bring in about anything you wanted. I don't know how but it did.
a2citizen
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 7:08 p.m.
The UofM began treating its customers with contempt about 20 years ago beginning with no longer allowing coolers. Every year since they have added another item...from no longer allowing parking on lawns near the street (for safety). I watch the poor saps walk by my house from Briarwood because they don't want to pay the $30-40 to park near the stadium. Eventually, the UofM is going to cut the head off the golden goose. When the attendance finally drops below 100,000, and it will, they will need a better product than they currently have.
SillyTree
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 7:03 p.m.
The stadium existed before bottled water was prevalent. I don't know how, but it did.
yaah
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 7:02 p.m.
Here's an idea - raise the ticket prices by $1. Then give every fan entering the stadium a "free" bottle of water, sealed. If it's really about the time it takes to check them then that should solve the problem.
jameslucas
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 7:01 p.m.
Tater you forgot about smoking.
Michele
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 7 p.m.
So what is the real reason for the ban? Madej saying that other stadiums are doing this too is not an explanation. It is bad enough that people are limited to using plastic water bottles and dixie cups, generating huge volumes of waste for every game they attend. Now, they do not even have the option to bring their own and potentially re-use it throughout the day. Its a shame because all attendees just want to support their team and now they are being compelled to boycott concessions and other products.
Craig Lounsbury
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 6:10 p.m.
Lets not forget this is the same University that originally tried to claim the whole project was a "repair" rather than a renovation in an attempt to dodge ADA requirements for physically challenged fans. I'm a Michigan football fan and watch the games on TV, going to maybe one game every couple years. But I operate under no dillusion that they view fans as anything more than cattle with wallets. As long as they can get their 100,000 plus cows in to the corral on Saturday they aren't overly concerned about the comfort level of the herd.
jameslucas
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 5:49 p.m.
Metric SU,So they pulled the old Classic Coke / New Coke flip flop on the fans of East Lansing. We will not do that here in Ann Arbor. Michigan keeping the best interest of the fans in mind at all times, make every decision final only after careful examination.
MyOpinion
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 5:32 p.m.
The answer from the Big House, There is water in the private suites. Buy a suite.
Ricebrnr
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 5:29 p.m.
oh and I forgot to add those with mobility difficulties. I get gout on occasion. It makes walking extremely painful. At minimum I hobble, a little worse I'm using a cane. Worse than that I'm not going out. Dehydration can exacerbate this. So how about others on canes or crutches? Guess you have to stand on line to pay for bottled water to take to your seat. Cuz you certainly are not taking a cup of water to your seat are you. WELCOME TO THE BIG HOUSE!
Ricebrnr
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 5:22 p.m.
Those of you thinking this is much ado about nothing. I wonder if you'd feel the same if: 1) you bring a kid or two 2) you bring an elderly parent or two 3) any combination of the above in relatives or friends After all this is supposed to be a family friendly event no? My kids are 10 and 5 and relatively self sufficient, but it can still be difficult meeting their needs without also my spouse along for events. I remember when we used to have to carry a bag of stuff specifically for the younger one (diapers, wipes, formula etc. Even these days when we go out I always wear my "dad" pants i.e. cargo shorts or pants. I almost always carry some extra juice for them, antiseptic lotion, and wipes. For families like mine, how much for 4 to go to a game? If just me and 2 kids? If I have to go get them a cup of water, I can't leave them in the stands to do that can I? So my choice is bring an extra body to watch them while I forage for and juggle several cups of water for my family. OR just pay for bottled water that you would find on any free person and usually in reusable bottles. I find it difficult to believe that things like this were not considered. I find it difficult to believe that they don't expect bottled water revenues to increase for all their proclamations of "free" water. So much for family day at the stadium eh?
jameslucas
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 5:06 p.m.
Look its a privilege not a right to attend a Michigan Football game. They have giving you many other options on how to get your water fix, so suck it up and take one for the team.
MetricSU
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 5:05 p.m.
For what it's worth, MSU instituted the "no water" rule shortly after 9/11. It didn't last a season, I think. The current rule is one sealed bottle (no more than 1 liter) per fan. It seems to work pretty well. I agree with the posters who question how secure one can make a stadium. Surely people intent on causing destruction can avoid stadium security at many points prior to game day. I guess every little bit helps, but what are the costs?
Stephen Landes
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 5 p.m.
Sorry, but water at concession stands isn't a sufficient alternative. There are many people attending games for whom the climb back to the concession area for a little tiny cup of water simply isn't going to satisfactory. You should be able to bring in a sealed bottle of water; make it the responsibility of the person entering the stadium to have their bottle out so the stadium employees can check it quickly. As an alternative, provide free BOTTLES of water to attendees who request one (One!). Just who is the University running this operation for; fans paying hundreds of dollars to attend the games or the convenience of their own personnel?
Soothslayer
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 4:52 p.m.
oops, I guess not! maybe they will allow a collapsable cup like you can get at camping store? Permitted Items Non-pocket seat cushions Binoculars -- but cases are not allowed Cell phones and pagers Small cameras and radios Blankets and rain apparel -- but no umbrellas Prohibited Items All bags All bottles (including all types of water bottles) Containers of any kind (including coolers, thermoses, cups, cans, flasks) Aerosol and spray cans Umbrellas and seat backs Flags and flagpoles Alcoholic beverages Food of any kind Video cameras and tripods Strollers Projectile toys (including footballs, Frisbees and beach balls) Weapons
Soothslayer
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 4:48 p.m.
1) bring empty aluminum water bottle 2) fill up inside stadium at sink/water fountain 3)???????? 4) Profit! (also no cruddy plastic water bottle waste) funny what people find to cry about, get over it already
MyOpinion
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 4:22 p.m.
Actually, sealed bottles are a problem as they can be used as projectiles. Nonetheless, I'd like to see a charity hand out uncapped bottles of water to fans as they enter the stadium. They could have a "charity box" nearby and folks could deposit money into it for their free water. I am suspicious of this safety feature. Before the university implements something like this they ought to try out the refreshing miniature cups of free water and see how long it takes for that freebie.
Alexander John Migda
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 4:19 p.m.
What a load of garbage. They have nothing left to take away but the air that we breathe.
Mark
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 4:16 p.m.
The University Builds Ugly additions to sides of stadium so that Luxury suites can be built and reduce the number of seats for the average fan, and you think this isn't about money? I am as much of a capitalist as the next guy but this is going to far. If the administration is worried about security they then should hand out bottles of sealed water one per customer once you get inside of the gate. It is a simple fix to the security question, and to the critics of the policy. I mean come on they already have the 4th highest season ticket price for a single seat in the FBS what would it hurt to pass out 27 cent bottles of water.
jameslucas
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 4:11 p.m.
Craig Lounsbury is right "The truth is this has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with money". You fans are too cheap to spend $3.00 at the stadium for a bottle of water. What about your loved ones safety? What about the team's need for money? Are you not ashamed? So lets stop beating around the bush and call a spade a spade.
81wolverine
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:59 p.m.
I didn't notice this when I got my tickets, as I haven't had time to read anything. It isn't clear from reading this article - but are they still going to sell bottles of water at the concession stands inside? If so, then I agree with those who say this has everything to do with money and really nothing to do with safety. I haven't noticed any delays at the gates due to checking water bottles. And how many terrorist incidents have there been at sports stadiums in this country since 9-11 involving water bottles. I think ZERO is the right answer. Offering free water at the stadium is ridiculous when you consider how long of a walk it is to go out and get it (unless you're sitting in the club seating or press box of course). And many of the games in the first half of the season are very hot or warm, and it's very important for your health to drink a lot of water. Having a bottle with a top on it at your seat is MUCH, MUCH more convenient than having an open cup that will probably spill or evaporate given the cramped seating conditions. Plus having to squeeze your way out of your seat to go out and get water will cause you to miss part of the game. This change makes the game day experience worse rather than better. I'm disappointed U-M decided to blindly follow the money-grabbing policies of other college athletic departments to pay for the new stadium.
MyOpinion
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:57 p.m.
Bring in an empty water bottle and fill it up at the nearest restroom before the game starts.
Sean T.
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:56 p.m.
I agree with you many posters that think this is a money issue. Overpriced water, Fear tactics and inconvenience will actually damper a great saturday of college football.
bunnyabbot
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:44 p.m.
my friend attends every game and smuggles in vodka tonic in water bottles, no ones checked to make sure the bottle was sealed.
Craig Lounsbury
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:43 p.m.
The truth is this has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with money.
Fat Bill
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:30 p.m.
@Haran Rashes... How "Safe" do you want to be? Maybe all ticket holders should be required to undergo background investigations... Body cavity searches, after all somebody could conceal a weapon. Let's also make sure we use the ridgid foam utensils, as a sharpened plastic utensil could be used as a weapon. Also, the airspace around Ann Arbor should be closed, lest the stadium be attacked by a radical banner dragger... I would be willing to take my chances. These kind of silly restrictions mean that terrorists have already won!
Ricebrnr
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:26 p.m.
So what are we looking at? What are we trying to be secure from? Afraid of works bombs in the stands? Maybe some more powerful binary component bombs? How secure is the stadium at other times? How hard would it be to smuggle in those components or worse then? Geez there were several articles about thefts from the Stadium while it was under construction... So the question is how many people will be effected by heat stroke and dehydration vs the odds that something sinister will occur? "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " Seems to me when your everyday life is affected that the terrorists have already won. That being said good luck to ya. The games are nothing but a headache and inconvenience to me and my family. If we want to go out or go home we have to plan our whole day around the stinking games.
treetowncartel
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:24 p.m.
One more reason I'm glad I gave up my addiction to football Saturdays.Now I sit on a boat up north and listen to Beckman and Brandstatter on the radio.
A Pretty Ann Arbor
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:24 p.m.
Oh yeah they also make more garbage - probably Styrofoam cups - let's pollute and add to the trash, at least water bottles are recyclable. Last year they sold bottles of water in the stadium for $4 - the same bottles were available from vendors outside of the stadium for $1-$2.
Craig Lounsbury
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:19 p.m.
I'm sure there will be plenty of bottled water in the new luxury suites. All you whiners out there open your checkbooks and buy yourself a suite. Not only will you then have plenty of water you'll be air conditioned too!
jameslucas
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:14 p.m.
Water bottles don't harm people, people harm people.
Section 18
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:08 p.m.
U of M, 24 oz water, $3.00 Costco, 24 oz water, $00.27 $2.73 per bottle profit that goes to the RichRod buyout fund. Nuff Said?
chitowndan
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 3:01 p.m.
In all the years of coming to Michigan Stadium every football weekend....and that is a lot of years, no one has ever, ever asked to check to see if my water bottles were sealed....ever. As Cnorman has said, Mr. Madej's comments border on ludicrous.
Kent2525
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 2:56 p.m.
@Jeff Light Sounds like you have never attended a fall game(sept). They carry more than a few people out due to dehydration. And like another poster said on here climbing 75 rows to get a little 4oz cup of free water will take 15 minutes. That in its self will having you miss a good deal of the game. my 85 year old step dad will not be able to go up and down that many stairs to get enough water to stay alive. So that is what we are mad about. Maybe Jeff Light will be my step-dads little water humper.
Haran Rashes
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 2:56 p.m.
It doesn't take much to "reseal" a water bottle after filling it with contraband. I applaud the U for making the Stadium safer. I am sure that all of the people who are criticizing the ban would be the first to criticize the U for not banning bottles if someone brought in something harmful in a water bottle and caused an incident.
bunnyabbot
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 2:50 p.m.
If everyone has to buy a water I hope they have seperate water only venders situated all over, so someone that only wants water can get one quickly. This of course should be non profit and/or all proceeds going to charity. They shouldn't make money off of this.
Jeff
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 2:36 p.m.
They said the policy was enacted for a variety of reasons and free water will be inside for the 100,000-plus fans attending each game. so what are you complaining about?
RTG
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 2:19 p.m.
Let's see, 4 season tickets for our family and now we can't bring in bottled water? No one has ever asked to check the seal on my bottle of water at the gate. Unless they are handing out bottles of water for free the dixie cup is not going to get it done on a hot day. We are there to watch the game not be at the concession stand needlessly. The U has always been good at listening to the customer, let's hope they reverse this decision.
cnorman
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 2:17 p.m.
ask mr madej if he will walk up from row 16 to a concession stand -------row 75----(and back) to get me cups of water for our grandchildren----especially in the september/early october games. madej's 'explanation' borders on the ludicrous.
5c0++ H4d13y
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 2:08 p.m.
Who cares if the bottle is sealed? People that want to bring in contraband will find a way. Most people just want to bring in some water. It's amazing how a business will treat a customer like crap when they can get away with it.
Fat Bill
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 1:51 p.m.
The only way fans will be able to protest this rule is to quit buying any concessions at all. Take their free water, don't buy food, hats, or anything else until they relent on the bottled water issue...
Klayton
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 1:50 p.m.
How long does it take to check if a bottle is sealed? 2 seconds? If the fans have them out at the security check it would take no more time then the amount to open a jacket or look in a purse.
Kent2525
Sat, Jul 31, 2010 : 1:37 p.m.
Next will be no jackets allowed, security reasons. Than it will be no rain gear. We will have jackets and rain gear for sale for all 100,000 who will attend.