3 And Out

Thu, Nov 11, 2010 : 5:07 p.m.

@Camaro Dan? What are you talking about? I was responding to the person above who asked the questions...not to you...and btw, you missed my point all together and I did not make any such statement that you tried to twist on me. Thanks for playing son.

CamaroDan

Thu, Nov 11, 2010 : 9:42 a.m.

3 and Out First, if you take you logic about our D practicing against a spread offence makes our defense only good against an opponent's spread, now I can see why Ohio State beat us in '06 and Oregon killed us in '07 (we were a pro style offence then). The only problem is most teams run the spread at least part of the time. If Michigan finishes at 6-6, they WILL be picked for a bowl. What is your new prediction for wins this year?

iamcris

Thu, Nov 11, 2010 : 3:09 a.m.

@Robbiesboyfriend L2spell. L2read. Try to keep up nao okay?

3 And Out

Thu, Nov 11, 2010 : 1:11 a.m.

mel...Question 1) no they just stink. Under Rich Rodriguez, Michigan has now had the 3 worst statistical defenses in over 131 years of Michigan football and it is not even a close race. They have had 2 defensive coordinators and it is getting worse. The problem lies in a) Rich Rod demands that any DC that works for him must use his bad defensive position coaches which hampers them and b) Rich Rod's defensive recruiting has been terrible. He is recruiting the wrong players for both the scheme and also to play in the Big Ten. He is horrible and defensive talent evaluation. This defense plays vs. spread in practice....but big deal because other spread defenses sheds them too (Purdue, Illinois etc constantly kill RRs defense) They are just bad and it comes down to a) poor recruiting by RR and b) poor coaching by RR's lackeys. Question 2) They are not 100% assured of a bowl game if they are at 6-6 at the end of the season, but they are "bowl eligible" and most likely their position as BT 8th place or better will qualify them for a bowl + we are Michigan and have good travel to any bowl game so its pretty much a shoe-in that we'd qualify for some fleabag bowl even at 6-6.

mel48

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 10:21 p.m.

two things. (1):does anyone think that the D is so bad because they practice against the Michigan Offense?-unlike anything they see against opponents...?(2) are we assured of a bowl game? bowl 'eligible' does not seem like a lock. of course my alma mater is a way better draw than 99% of others teams...just sayin. A

JGS

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 7:18 p.m.

Buckeye fan(atics) are laughable. Trolling the A2.com site with all year? It's so funny how you bucknuts forget the 90's when your program was garbage and Michigan owned you. Similarly, the 2000's have been a complete flip of the 90's. Guess what children? It's coming, the flip back to what it was before. I am not living in the past, but you bandwagon buckeye fans love to forget how stinky your program was. Side note - giving up 65 points to ANYONE is unacceptable, period!!

P U MSU

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 5:56 p.m.

Goblue, Yes RR needs to focus on the defense this offseason. There is not question about it. As far as running a tricked-out offense I will disagree. The offense is legit and continue to prove so.

ViSHa

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 5:01 p.m.

so with all these predictions, how does the looming NCAA West Virginia investigation factor in? will this be a non-issue, and what is the timeline of that?

GoblueinNE_PA

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 4:41 p.m.

PU MSU You were right the 2nd time. RichRod is a one dimensional coach who can't see anything but a tricked up offense. You have to be balanced to be a true head coach. He's an offensive coordinator in HC clothing.

RobbiesBoyfriend

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 3:54 p.m.

I am Chris Isnt it terrible when you make a silly argument about football and Superbowl rings equating a great college coach, and some "Midwest Flamer" shuts you down? Hate it when that happens! By the way, Did you just offer me $300 bucks?

OSUbeBetter

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 3:46 p.m.

@ Wolverine33 Ooh by the way, im not in Ohio, Ive lived in Jaskson for the past 5 years, Is it ok for me to be on Mlive and get my LOCAL news? Is that ok with you?

OSUbeBetter

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 3:42 p.m.

@ Wolverine33 There is a huge difference between Cooper and Rodriguez. Actually Cooper and Lloyd are far more similar. Cooper was an excellent coach, but his downfall was not being able to beat Michigan, however he could beat everyone else. Rodriguez has a tendency to loose to every good big 10 school, and have OT Thrillers and close call wins over the cellar Dwellers. Cooper 111434 at Ohio State 70304 in the Big 10

iamcris

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 3 p.m.

@RobbiesBoyfriend Q-you do realize that college and pro football are completely different? A- I'll take "troll flamers from the midwest for $300 Alex"

Mick52

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 2:32 p.m.

I would have liked Jim Harbaugh instead of RR at the time RR was hired, but due to Jim's ability to not be afraid to state the facts, he was out of the running. Right now? Michigan's offense is 7th overall nationally, less that 300 yards from Oregon at No 1. Stanford is 11th. Like RR or not, no Michigan offense has performed like this in modern times. I doubt the offense would be as productive under JH. I do not think the records are really an accurate indicator on what might happen. So I think RR deserves to show us what he can accomplish through the years of his contract. I think it would be disastrous to change coaches now. Its such a bad idea, I think those posting it are not UM fans. No problems with getting a def coordinator, defense wins ballgames.

Lorain Steelmen

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 2:12 p.m.

PS MSU. Excellent post! I also was 'neutral' on RR's hiring! But once he WAS hired, I also felt it would be four years for him to get this program turned around. And I believe,RR should have our support. The talent level here was down, WAY DOWN, when RR showed up. And,to be blunt,he was hired to put in HIS style offense,not someone else's offense. There was obviously a decision, that IF UM wanted to play 'at the national level', it would need to 'open up' the offense. I'm sorry for the 'old blues' that refuse to come to grips with that fact,but it IS reality! Also, the defense was an embarressment during the later days of the Carr program. (And we ALL know that!) I remember talking with Coach Hanlon when RR was first hired. He stressed that the fans would need to be patient, and reminded us that BO inherited a loaded team, when he first came in. I have not forgotten his comments. Finally, I like this offense, and the way the kids have 'grown' in it. (And there is even more potential there.) Sure, the defense is currenlty weak, but it WILL improve drastically,IF,these kids are allowed the opportunity to mature,and gain experience and strength. Additional recruits will stabilize it over the next few years. IMHO, once this defense is up and running,the program will be awesome! And I say good for RR, the coaches and the kids, because they have put up with, far too many cheap shots and negativity from the 'fair weather' fans, and closet MSU/OSU supporters. RR has shown me that he is a competitor, but also has the kid's best interests at heart. He has shown patience, while still demanding their best. RR is a Michigan Man now, every bit as much as Bo. I like this group of kids, because they are a close knit group! Go Blue!.beat the Boilers, Badgers, AND Buckeyes! One at a time guys..one at a time!

jameslucas

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 2:09 p.m.

The Announcer Man 007 I think you should check your math. Michigan is going to a bowl game, if you knew anything about football you would know that. Michigan will win 2 of there last four (8-5).

truebluefan

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 1:47 p.m.

GoblueNEPA -- Michigan had more passing yards against Illinois than any game under Carr or Moeller. This season, Michigan runs 61% of the time. This is within a couple percentage points of Carr's last few seasons. If you're going to call RR's Michigan (notice I said Michigan) offense one dimensional, please apply that label to Carr's offenses as well.

P U MSU

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 1:34 p.m.

GoBlue, In case I misunderstood you and you were referring to RR being one dimensional meaning he only payed attention to the offense, then I take back my remark. If you were referring to the offense as being one dimensional then my remarks stands.

P U MSU

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 1:28 p.m.

I wouldn't say I have low standards. I would say that I will forever and always have the programs best interests in mind. It would be a mistake to get rid of RR at this point in time. Doing so is conceeding 2-3 years of poor seasons, to most fans standards. I have said from the beginning that hiring RR was a mistake. After he received the job, I said that it would take 4 years for the program to be relevant. "If he is such a great coach why 4 years?" RR is the spread offense. That is his system. He was hired for the system. (Who cares if he was the right choice or not, the fact of the matter is that he is here.) Many of you calling for RR's head say this: "Don't be mad at GR, he is running RR's defensive scheme." Now explain to me why we can't get mad at GR but it is ok to dog RR for not changing his system to fit the players on offense. The system is built off of speed. Michigan had great athletes when RR came to town - sure. (Although I think that people think that he had better than what he really had.) He did not have speed. Give a year a two for RR to recruit his guys, and another year or two to allow the players to develop and mature. This is why I said he needed 4 years. If it was a pro-style system that RR ran I would say 3 years is enough. Mallet would be throwing the ball down the field if that were true. Many of the good pro-style players transferred. That is a fact. GoBlue, One dimensional? Please tell me your kidding. There is not a more balanced team in the Big10 when it comes to rushing and passing yards. One dimensional...lmao. Take your emotions out of your postings.

XTR

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 12:47 p.m.

RR is a sleaze genius. He completely destroyed the program, he did'nt pay WV the buyout, he lost to MSU and OSU all the time, his Big Ten record is 5-16 in 3 years, he had 4 major NCAA violations, he lowered expectations, he blamed everyone in the program and even blamed the fans for his loses! Inspite of all that, UM pays him 2 million a year and fans with low standards love him for destroying the proud program.

XTR

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 12:39 p.m.

Hell yeah! Rich Rod beat top ranked Illinois in 3 OTs at home! The super offense was unstoppable scoring 67 points! Rich Rod is the hero and the stud! UM is now 9-0! Ohio State is shaking with fear in Columbus as the unstoppable offense of the great Rich Rod is coming to town! LOL! This is how 2 straight losing seasons lower the UM standards.

GoblueinNE_PA

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 12:37 p.m.

How in the world can anyone call RichRod an "offensive genius"? If he were a "genius", he'd be able to take any player and make them special and make them work in the offense. Bill Walsh, a true genius, did that with the 49'ers taking a very good QB, mixing him with a bunch of no name players (Bill Ring was their starting RB in the Super Bowl) and won a title. RichRod's got a very fast QB in DRob and is riding that horse for all it's worth. Prior to this, his success at Michigan, was, well, it was failure. And the offense hasn't consistently competed in games against teams w/good defenses. Late rally's to make the score look good don't tell the whole story. IMO, he's a one dimensional coach w/a limited ability to adapt his system. A genius, he's not.

Wolverine33

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 12:17 p.m.

OSUbebetter, why your cruising a MICH website makes me question your loyalty to the scarlett and gray. They say those that forget the past are destined to repeat it. Either your young or you have a short memory. Not so long ago you had a head coach by the name of JOHN COOPER. Ever heard of him? Don't quote me but I think his record versus michigan was 2-10-1. You've been on a run.....but it won't last forever! With RR offense in place all we need is a defense. We will get it, Michigan is not done, we're transforming and the wins will follow. HAIL TO THE VICTORS! THOSE WHO STAY WILL BE CHAMPIONS!

truebluefan

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 12:09 p.m.

AnnouncerMan -- You DEFINITELY do not have insider knowledge. Or, your "insiders" are not reliable sources. You are speculating and hoping for an outcome.

Gillete

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 11:55 a.m.

OSUbebetter - As a U of M fan I couldn't agree with you more, calling notice to teams biggest foe is what makes rivialries great! GO BLUE!!!

Lorain Steelmen

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 11:50 a.m.

PU MSU. I agree, I don't think Harbaugh is a realistic choice. He bad-mouthed UM during the last year, and isn't really that impressive. I just don't see Brandon dumping an offensive genious, to start all over again. We are all frustrated with our defense, but I think it will improve as the players mature. When the D DOES perk up, this team, and this program, WILL be an annual NC contender! Virtually every program in the country has had a two or three year downturn, at one point or another. If anything, the recent NCAA investigation, has confirmed that RR runs a clean program, and it is the Freep that has explaining to do. If I were Brandon, I would bar the Freep from all UM facilies.

orlandomichfan

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 11:32 a.m.

@P U MSU i agree with you, people come on here and pretend to be a somebody when they are not and speak about things they think they know..myself?? i am just a fan who wants the best for michigan regardless of who the coach is.....harbaugh is not coming and why would we want miles..we will be okay, we just gotta fix our defense..but as long as there are people that want to hate, the hate will never go away....i hope we can take 2 out of our last 3 games..but to some it still would not be enough, even if we won our last 3..go blue...

P U MSU

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 10:44 a.m.

TheAnnouncer, You have to be crazy to think that you know anything or you know the right people. The fact that you bring up Harbaugh's name is proof enough to me that you havn't a clue. Being a booster myself, having a booster's ball invitation sent to me, I would think that I would have a little more insight on the situation than your "source." RR is expected to improve the team. With a win this weekend and even with two losses finishing the season, the team would finish 7-5. This is continued improvement and enough to save RR's job. If you are unhappy with RR then prepare yourself now to be unhappy next year - a friendly warning.

GoblueinNE_PA

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 10:40 a.m.

Sorry Robbie, in the time I've been on this site (which I think is going on 2+ years), I've not seen you make a single cogent argument for RichRod. You've come up with a bunch of one line excuses, but you've haven't put together a rationale for why he should stay. In fact, you've been proven wrong many time here. I've proven you wrong here. The facts are that RichRod's record at Michigan has been one of abject failure, in all categories. Overall wins, Big 10 wins, home wins, road wins, recruiting, NCAA compliance. It's all BAD. Period. End of story. The Michigan football program didn't need to be rebuilt or turned around before he got here. Make whatever excuses you want, those are facts. CamaroDan, why don't you get yourself a dictionary and look up the work "hate". You might learn something... or not.

Jay Allen

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 10:02 a.m.

@jameslucas: You must be very young and think the moon is still made of cheese. I suggest you stop watching the final scores and thinking that offense wins championships in the Big-10. Michigan "may" win against PU as they stink. But if you think they are going to go 2-1 in the last 3 games, you need to watch another sport, perhaps soccer. After speaking with various boosters (yes I have) and knowing a person or two who REALLY has a pulse on the program, RR needs to win out and play on New Year's Day to save his job. That means beating Wisconsin and OSU and then beating yet another quality opponent on New Year's. Ain't happening. Stick a fork in him. Several of us called it before the first snap. We were ridiculed and chastised. That's ok as I have thick skin and can certainly dish it out. Only to have the ~editor~ in charge threaten me. But now the real team is showing its face. UConn was miles over rated. ND is a sham. Playing a D-1AA school and BGSU makes you all see life through rose colored glasses. Not to mention last second heroics to beat Indiana. They have been embarrassed by REAL Big-10 teams and needed 3OT's and 60+ points to beat who? Illinois? And you all act like all is well. Catch a glimpse of reality when U-M plays in the Blockbuster Bankrupt Bowl on Dec 23 in some God forsaken town where the best hotel is a Motel-6. Harbaugh or Miles. I'll make the call now just when I said 6-6 or 7-5 at the start of the year. Bash Away.

RudeJude

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 9:56 a.m.

Thanks for the clarification, Pete.

P U MSU

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 9:39 a.m.

As in all rivalries, teams make runs. Enjoy yours while it lasts. It wasn't that long ago that OSU "sucked." I guess I should expect you to remember that though. Given your choice of verbage you can't be more than 15. After your team loses to Iowa maybe you will come off the cloud you are standing on.

RudeJude

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 9:19 a.m.

@annarbor.com Staff The article could use some clarification as to how the Boilermakers believe Rich Rod was responsible for Reckman's suspension. From the article, "The Boilermakers believed Rodriguezs vigilance for post-play extracurricular shenanigans, which came on the heels of Jonas Moutons one-game suspension for punching Notre Dame center Eric Olsen, played a part in Reckmans suspension." Does this mean Hope believes Rodriguez reported Reckman to the refs? What specific action did Rodriguez allegedly take to upset the Boilermakers?

OSUBuckeye

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 9:17 a.m.

P U MSU -- ( who your piece of crap program is little sister to ), you go ahead and get your sweater vest, we'll just keep on dominating your near dead irrelevent program. I would like to see OSU drop UM from the last game and bring on Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State or even now Nebreska!! You no longer do us any good in that spot, your program sucks...

81wolverine

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 8:45 a.m.

It's funny how this season, we haven't had any suspensions (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that I know of. It's like the Big Ten last year was going on a short-lived crusade to try and curb a "violence trend" that didn't really exist. This so-called "Hope feud" is a non-story today. What really matters is the game. Go Blue!

orlandomichfan

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 8:22 a.m.

a lot of you are so obsessed with harbaugh i worry what will happen to you all when he goes to the nfl he is never ever coming to michigan... (@ben as long as we win) and there is to much being made out of this so called feud between richrod and purdue coach hope.. this is another thing that happens all the time in college football but when it is something that invloves richrod its a bigger deal than it should be..come on ya'll, 2 coaches mad at each other? really? this is a non story but the haters are trying to turn it into something..unbelievable..i hope we go to purdue and smash them in there mouth..@mike bush, very good comment agree 100%. @rodie, get a grip not happening. @osubuckeye why do you come here? your site that bad.@3andout haha. anyhow, all the haters, just keep hating, we will win big saturday and we have a chance to upset wisky, once we get a good defense things will change drastically, but people that have hate in them will always find ways to hate..myself i am glad michigan is changing the way we are, it was stale with loyd carr, and the funny thing is most of you haters wanted carr oit of here, saying our team was boring, can never beat osu, and how could he lose to appy state..and on and on. same hate just towards another coach, so hypocritical, so no way will you all ever be happy..things will get better, i myself wish it wasnt taking so long, but once the d is fixed we will be relevant again..but most of you wont be happy..whatever.rich is here to stay. go blue

P U MSU

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 8:19 a.m.

Oh look!! An OSU fan. How lucky are we be graced with your presence. I can't wait to get my honorary sweatervest.

XTR

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 8:19 a.m.

On Topic: When Danny Hope did that stunt with RR, Hope acted more hillybilly than RR. Is Danny Hope a hip hopper? lol! Off Topic: RR is a loser of a coach. 2 losing seasons without a bowl game, 4 major NCAA violations in just 3 years, 5-16 big ten win loss record in 3 years, no signature win as of yet. Where were the 67 points when UM needed it against MSU, Iowa and Penn State? lol! Gimmick offenses collapse against true blue defenses. RR should beat Wisco and Ohio State this year before he talks. Jim Harbaugh? lol! Only when Jim is offered the job and then goes on national TV and says he's staying at Stanford, that's the only time for sure that he's not coming.

OSUBuckeye

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 7:44 a.m.

I'm not sure what all the RR hate's about. We love your coach here in Columbus, you should keep him around. He's really done a lot for your 'historic' program. Thank you for freeing up one of our Saturdays in November, now I can use that to rake the leaves....

P U MSU

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 7:34 a.m.

"Harbaugh will take the job if its offered. Stop the nfl bull****." You must be kidding right? If Jim were to take over for Lloyd I would say that it is true. Why in the world would Harbaugh want to take over a spread offense. He is the anti-spread. He plays smash you in the mouth football. We have small fast players at Michigan. Harbaugh wants to coach in the NFL. His brother coaches in the NFL. His name is being thrown out there for the Cowboys job. Why in the world would he ruin his reputation by coming to Michigan. It does not matter how good of a coach he is, he runs a different style. I can see it now. Harbaugh comes to Michigan and implements the pro-style offense with the undersized players at Michigan. We go 3-9. Michigan fans will be saying Harbaugh is a terrible coach. "Even though he runs a pro-style offense, he shold adjust to the players he has." Sound familiar to anyone? Sevans, Pointing out the previous records before the coaches arrived shows me nothing. I personally think Llyod did a fine job of coaching our boys. I personally didn't want RR as our coach. But he is here now. No other coach at Michigan has been asked to change the style of football like RR has. This is the fault of the AD, not of RR. Every previous hire simply continued to run the same offense and same defense of the previous coach.

3 And Out

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 5:18 a.m.

to jameslucas: Stanford Football pre Harbaugh and Harbaugh Years: 2002 Buddy Teevens 29.182 2003 47.364 2004 47.364 Teevens Total (20022004) 1023.303 2005 Walt Harris 56.455 2006 111.083 Harris Total (20052006) 617.261 2007 Jim Harbaugh 48.333 2008 57.417 2009 85.615 2010 81.889 Harbaugh Total (2007present) 2521.543 Michigan Pre Rich Rodriguez 2007 9-4 2006 11-2 2005 7-5 2004 9-3 2003 10-3 2002 10-3 40 straight non losing seasons pre Rich Rod. Michigan all time (including the Rich Rodriguez Error) 88330536.736 Rich Rodriguez = 5 wins vs. 15 losses in less than 3 years in the Big Ten. This is WORSE than what Tim Brewster did at Minnesota in the Big Ten his last 3 seasons (6-13)...and Brewster got fired. This is MICHIGAN. Do you get the point?? Comparing the state of the program and talent level that Harbaugh had to work with, with what Rich Rod had is ludicrious. Just about the dumbest "point" anyone trying to defend Rich Rod could make...and that is pretty dumb because the RR Excuse Wagon is pretty full. And our whiney coach and his sycophant followers complain about true FANS and Alums giving Rich some well-deserved heat. Well Boo. Hoo.

RobbiesBoyfriend

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 4:46 a.m.

iamcris Ron English. Scott Schaefer. Greg Robinson. Whos defense is getting rang like a Bell, to the point of setting records in a program which has been around for 120 years. Whos defense is ranked at or near the bottom of all D1 schools in nearly every recordable Metric? You do realise that Pro ball and College ball are completly different, and the list of coaches who made the move either way and have been a complete Bust is quite lengthy. Add Greg Robinsons name to that list.

iamcris

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 3:39 a.m.

Hai guys! Just wanted to add a little something for you all to ponder. Ron English. Scott Schaefer. Greg Robinson. which coach has two super bowl rings as a defensive coordinator? A average/poor/ defensive coordinator might get ONE super bowl ring with a string of good luck and having sound players to make him look good. But TWO rings? El O El @ your armchair AD "fire this guy nao" talk.

JimB

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 1:58 a.m.

Excuses are for losers.

lawrencelaundry

Wed, Nov 10, 2010 : 12:19 a.m.

All u clowns need help. There is no one that is right here. Everyone has good points. The offense is top notch. With a defense it can be unstoppable. But, RR is a cry baby and has destroyed records. He also takes no blame for anything and blames the kids. That's not Michigan like. But it is exciting and terrible at the same time. Good luck and good night. Lol

DiscoStu

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 11:44 p.m.

Well, it seems some of you are due for a reminder. It was cute to compare Harbaugh and Rodriguez's records while trying to illustrate RR success. Circumstances are different, this is a meaningless use of stats. Same goes for programs prior records- you are basing an argument on different situations. For those of you with the 24 hour news attention spans: Lloyd Carr was damn near run out on a rail because fans and alums wanted to move into a new era of football. We hired a guy from outside the program who had an exciting offense with a proven track record. And he has delivered. I must admit you fools do entertain me finding anything possible to demonize RR. Did he sleep with your wives and kick your dogs? Back to the topic at hand. RR came into a pretty devastating situation; half a recruiting class and the kind of attrition that comes when a program becomes dysfunctional and reactionary. Result? 3-9. Year two, after "stubbornly" implementing his program, he finally has a full freshman class- and has to start some of them. Result? 5-7. Year three, some of the lineman are developing nicely after "foolishly" being "forced" into running RR's program his first year. His freshman class are now sophomores (yeah, he did have almost half a class his first year, I know, losers like JT Floyd, Mike Cox, Kenny Demens, Kevin Koger, Mike Martin, Odoms, Omameh, Shaw, Stonum, and Roundtree- granted some of these are Lloyds). One player generated some Heisman hype, several have set offensive records. Result? 6-3 so far. The jury is still out on this year (except for those of you who make kneejerk reactions and wonder why this country is falling apart). Even if it ends at 6-7, I think RR has proven his ability- he changed our offense which is what people wanted. Lessons learned so far? It may be wise to go back to tackling in practice. It may be even wiser to tell RR to let his D-coordinator do his job. Or perhaps we shouldn't fire a coach after 1 season (Exhibit A: Schaefer, who's team I believe ranks in the top 20 in total D). But I suppose this is too much sense. I mean, we wanted a national championship after the first game of 2008, and since he didn't win it that September, he should be tarred, feathered, and burned at the stake. Boy, you posters sure are smart. I say we fire a coach after anything bad happens. That's a good recipe for success! BTW, 12 Seniors- Rogers, Mouton, Ezeh, and Banks are gone. Schilling and Dorrestein gone from the offense. That's it. Those are the notables. T-wolf comes back, so we lose 11 total players. I am not worrying about the future. So all of you Justin Borens can go chill in the armpit- we are better off without you.

3 And Out

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 11:35 p.m.

Well Said Graham +1 Robbie Webb (aka scooter from Freep) -100000000000000000

Graham P. Matthews

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 11:17 p.m.

I am a Michigan alum and have been a supporter since fall of 1969. However, I never thought I would see the day when six wins was a "big deal" for Michigan football and that the famed Michigan defense would be so bad and lacking in a good defesive coaching staff with hard hitting skilled players. It is time to let the Rich Rodriguez experiment end. The AD should seek out Les Miles or Jim Harbaugh...heck Please bring someone with defesive skills as a coach to stop the shame we see on the field each week.

2sweetblue

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 10:56 p.m.

Robbie you have not been around for the past 3 or 4 weeks. Michigan finally becomes bowl eligible and your back saying I told you so. Richie will probably beat Purdue but Wisconsin is most likely a loss. Ohio State is going to beat us. Michigan will once again have a losing record in Big Ten play and will not have beaten a rival in Richie three years. The program will be known as the University of Mediocrity because he is not even close to competing for Big Ten titles. But but but we are young LOL......... There will be an excuse every year.

aarox

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 10:31 p.m.

I watch Tom Izzo compete in the Big Ten. He is competitive, but has relationships across the entire conference, as well as the country. UM has a coach that can't get along with his own peers much less his players or the storied fan base. We need to learn from those that have succeeded where we are failing.

Robbie Webb.

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 10:14 p.m.

Goblue, all of my arguments have been rational, and nothing I've said has been proven wrong, and the results are showing. I've been right, look at our record this year, and it can only get better. What's your excuse for Texas? Or Notre Dame? I thought Brian Kelly would have his boys ready? Michigan beat them...again. And on top of that, they've only won like 4-5 games this year, against a weak schedule. I'm sure that because it's Brian Kelly coaching and not Rodriguez that the injury/youth factor is okay now, right? Hahaha! Keep on avoiding the facts, guys! Keep on avoiding the facts!

jameslucas

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 9:55 p.m.

You can say it Michigan Head Football Coach Rich Rodriguez its not difficult. The more you practice saying it, the sooner you can accept reality. This should help you move on so you start enjoying Michigan wins.

CamaroDan

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 9:26 p.m.

Goblue IF you don't like the coach, which is your right not to, why don't you want to be called a hater, because you do 'hate' the coach.

GoblueinNE_PA

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 9:14 p.m.

Thank you 3 & out. I'm sick to death of the sycophants brayng about this Hack and claiming that anyone that doesn't support this clown is a "hater". It's total BS. All you have to do is look objectively at the record(s) this bozo has amassed in his 2+ seasons and there is no way you can make a rational argument for him. He's in over his head and he knows it. All you need to realize this is to know that Purdue is now our "rival".

Joe

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 9:09 p.m.

I asked this question once, and I'll ask it again. Would all of the RR fans please list 5 POSITIVE things RR has done for the UM football program since he arrived? Sure seems that should be a very easy list to come up with. Or is it?

Robbie Webb.

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 8:59 p.m.

And no, I'm not saying that six wins is acceptable at Michigan. Nor am I jumping for joy, but Brandon said he wanted to see improvement, and with a youth and injury challenged team (still) becoming bowl eligable and avoiding a third year of no bowl and a losing season is what Rodriguez needed to do to keep his job, there's nowhere to go but up from here. Say goodbye to Harbaugh, 3. You were wrong and I was right. I said before the season started that Michigan AT LEAST will win six games, and they are on track to win more. You said they wont, you went as low to say the loss of Woolfolk meant a 4-8 record. You said we would lose to Uconn, Notre Dame, even Umass, Indiana, and most of the other big ten games. Jokes on you now, brother. How does that humble pie taste? I've never had any. GO BLUE!!! Let's get the Boilmakers!

Rodie

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 8:53 p.m.

Harbaugh will take the job if its offered. Stop the nfl bull****.

Sevans68

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 8:53 p.m.

Jameslucas - look at the 5 years prior to each coach. Stanford 2006 = 1 - 11 2005 = 5 - 6 2004 = 4 - 7 2003 = 4 - 7 2002 = 2 - 9 Michigan 2007 = 9 - 4 2006 = 11 - 2 2005 = 7 - 5 2004 = 9 - 3 2003 = 10 - 3 It shows where the program was wheneach coach came in. You can expect a drop off sometimes with a change but 3 - 9 for Rich Rod was not acceptable. I also don't think Harbaugh will come, I think he wants the NFL too, but I would love to see him back at Michigan.

riverraisin

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 8:52 p.m.

Jameslucas... Stanford 2006 football record before Harbaugh = 1-11 Michigan 2007 football record before RichRod = 9-4 Harbaugh made vast improvements in his first year as head coach of Stanford. Rodriguez made vast improvements in his first year as head coach of Michigan...TO DESTROY THE PROGRAM!

Robbie Webb.

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 8:46 p.m.

3 must have missed Saturday's game, yes, the game where Michigan became bowl eligable. Like I said in the beginning, Rich Rodriguez isn't going anywhere. You're out of your mind if you think Harbaugh is coming here. Dave Brandon knows better.

B1

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 8:35 p.m.

3 and Out: You seem to have all the answers...maybe you should become coach.

OSUbeBetter

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 8:33 p.m.

3 And Out Senator Tressel put Michigan on notice (On the clock) when he gave his 310 days speech in front of the student body "and most especially in 310 days in Ann Arbor, on the football field" Not so Subtle way of stirring the pot, Theres nothing wrong with that.

Mike

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 7:47 p.m.

3 and out rich rods staying.it is what is best for the program the defense cordinator is fired. they are getting a good def cord let him run whatever he wants.the offense is there now we need d. harbaugh is going pro so cont. to live in fantasy land that harbaugh who couldnt hang with oregon will come to mich.i for one am sick of hearing how harbaugh comming he is not.stop hating on our coach and go become a bukeye fan.

jameslucas

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 7:46 p.m.

Stanford Head Football Coach Jim Harbaugh 2007 1st Year 4-8 2008 2nd Year 5-7 2009 3rd Year 8-5 Michigan Head Football Coach Rich Rodriguez 2008 1st Year 3-9 2009 2nd Year 5-7 2010 3rd Year 8-5

Chilltime

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 7:38 p.m.

@ 3 and out - Harbaugh is going to the NFL. Who is next on your list of replacements for the Head Coach?

3 And Out

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 7:28 p.m.

RR made some comment yesterday about how "if you are a true Michigan fan, you shouldnt criticize the program because it affects recruiting blah blah blah etc, yada yada yada" Just when you want to start to like the guy, Rich Rod then comes off (again) as a whiney, excuse making, narcissist. OK Coach...we get it: You had the "perfect storm of injuries and situations" that hurt the defense this year (your words) and now...true Michigan alums and fans are not supposed to criticize your vaunted 5-15 in the Big Ten program Coach? My advice to Coach Rich Rod: Shut up. We dont want to hear you making excuses, crying and laying the groundwork for the scapegoats for YOUR failures and future failures. You are at Michigan Coach...and you have Top 10 facilities, tradition, educational and support resources behind you. Worrying about fans talking on the internet and how it "hurts recruiting" is ridiculous. Take care of your own Business Coach Rod....no other Michigan coach made excuses to the level that you do.... especially not pertaining to fan support and its relation (if any) to Recruiting. Peace and Go Blue.

Ben

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 7:06 p.m.

So it'll be 86-85 this year?

OSUbeBetter

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 6:59 p.m.

So what would be the downside of hating an opposing coach? Isnt that what took the Michigan Ohio State game from a simple border dispute to the biggest rivalry in American sports?

barnz378

Tue, Nov 9, 2010 : 6:45 p.m.

I had forgotten about this until you brought it up.