heartbreakM

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 4:10 p.m.

Fieldhouse: I said 7-3 is not too bad right now, and if we finish 9-3 w/wins over the top 2 B10 teams, that will be a good finish. ( I do not expect that, rather I expect to be run over a la the PSU game, but until the game is played....) If RR finishes 9-3, that would be as good as most of LC's years, and most of Bo's years post Woody. But change for change sake does not do the program good. There must be a plan. There clearly was not when LC retired, and look where we are now. But at this point, we can't judge until the end of the season. If we do indeed go 3-5 in the B10, then that is proof that we can't compete with the top tier, and struggle to compete with the middling teams, results that are unacceptable. But if we win one or both, that changes things. Let's just wait and see--all will become known in the next 12 days. But to fire RR w/o a plan--that's really playing with fire.

heartbreakM

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 3:56 p.m.

Fieldhouse: I said 7-3 is not too bad right now, and if we finish 9-3 w/wins over the top 2 B10 teams, that will be a good finish. ( I do not expect that, rather I expect to be run over a la the PSU game, but until the game is played....) If RR finishes 9-3, that would be as good as most of LC's years, and most of Bo's years post Woody. But change for change sake does not do the program good. There must be a plan. There clearly was not when LC retired, and look where we are now. But at this point, we can't judge until the end of the season. If we do indeed go 3-5 in the B10, then that is proof that we can't compete with the top tier, and struggle to compete with the middling teams, results that are unacceptable. But if we win one or both, that changes things. Let's just wait and see--all will become known in the next 12 days. But to fire RR w/o a plan--that's really playing with fire.

FieldhouseMassacre

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 3:43 p.m.

Forgive me... the Lyins victory I was referring to was the win over Washington that still managed to be visibly disturbing while being listened to via radio.

FieldhouseMassacre

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 3:36 p.m.

Someone poke me to make sure I am awake while reading this message board: Thanks for everyone involved in the trip down memory lane regarding the great bowl battles of the mid 2000's..... did we all READ this article? This article serves as an example...nay, a figurehead of the main problem underlying the program's problems right now-failure to acknowledge the truth about the state of the team/roster/talent/accomplishments- First off, even as an optimist over the past three years: WE ARE 3-3. "Seven and three, not bad" BS CANNOT be accepted here, especially over the course of 3 years. We played at the level of gutter Big 11 teams to earn hard-fought W's and were Tonkin Gulf'ed by class of the conference opposition, left w/ no possible excuse for what went wrong in these games other than 'just not good enough, yet.' A respectable bowl game/opponent at this point in time is anything but sure...so set that Koolaid down, please. We need the help of all realists we can gather at this time going into an offseason where the obvious answer of what to do with the reigns of the program has become less apparent with that joke of a football game last Saturday. Furthermore, it doesn't become any easier for the remaining True Blue to make known the axe must be dropped when you have irresponsible journalists playing this game up as though the '05 Colts were stifled by the steely reserve of the Pats D in the AFC championship, when it was closer to what took place at Ford Field with Detroit being issued their first of the month check in the form of a meaningless victory. Oh, and someone said something about "kids from the south not playing in big ten weather?" Should we be expected to roll over, fail to execute in all three phases of the game, and make horrible decisions in both passing the ball and (coach) play-calling when the thermometer tickles 90 degrees with consistent sunlight? 27-16 against an absolute turd of a team with no defense and a (3rd-5th string) QB carousel? Blind optimism is responsible for a slew of catastrophes over the course of history. Let's not throw the program hat in the ring. Wait too long, and the expectation of.750 winning percentage against lil' bro and the likes then becomes hope for.500 conference ball. I actually listened to another UM fan challenge a state fan at a party this September on how MSU could be satisfied with what Dantonio has done, that they should expect failure? Well.... should they have? It must be hard to believe that things could change for them when they have developed such a culture of Saturday afternoon Masochism. On the other hand, aren't we so foolish to have come to 'expect' success? Rebuilding is not a pretty prospect, but neither is coming to tolerate less than what we've had. I mean, do we REALLY want to aspire to be able to play poorly and STILL win? Is that the new benchmark?: "We're not good enough to play poorly and win," Rodriguez said. "We're not right now. Maybe in the future we will be." --Sep 14, 2008 MLive.com

mrd

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 3:20 p.m.

Don't fire RichRod...reassign him. Keep him as Offensive Coordinator. Who could argue that he has created an awesome offense (that WE are totally invested in)? But, in a few big ways (NCAA Violations) and many little ways (can't talk to WOLVERINE NATION) he has detrimentally changed Michigan football. That is the one thing that is unacceptable. Expecting anything to change with him as the Chief is insane. David Brandon, YOU have to fix what Bill Martin and Rich Rod have tarnished and didn't understand. There is nobody better than you available. Do what Bo would have done -- Grab The Reins and Yell Mush!!! You're already managing the whole situation. Bring clarity back and get everyone working together. Not easy to do, but you've done it your whole professional career. That is why YOU are the M Ath Dir. We will all get behind you and never look back. Every Michigan fan knows that it was wrong the moment RichRod took the position. It's not all about winning -- it's about MICHIGAN FOOTBALL!!

BernieP

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 3 p.m.

Can't do Phoenix --- I think it's been banned by our city council.;-P Want to get the locals to come downtown? Have Michigan be the Big Ten invitee to the Little Caesars Pizza Bowl. That would sell every seat, create a party atmosphere in Detroit and reacquaint many with the amenities around Ford Field. A win for fans and sponsor alike.

heartbreakM

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 2:43 p.m.

Well, I see both sides. Given how this season has gone, and unless the wheels completely come off in the next 2 weeks, I am not sure Brandon will make a move. I personally am on the fence and think stability is good for a program, though I do believe that if Brandon knows (emphasis on KNOWS) that he can upgrade, he will do so. I don't think he will get rid of RR if he does not know what's next. Now, to do that, he would have to get permission to talk to some people which could be tampering. Bellotti keeps coming up for Colorado, so he may be out. Miles is having another great year and JH of course. But who else is out there? And FWIW--Hoke's name is coming up for Minnesota. I would think that is a good move for Hoke and Minne. Can't get worse, that's for sure, and he should be familiar w/the B10--a big advantage that RR did not have.

BlueGator

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 2:38 p.m.

I am on the fence as to wether or not Brandon should give RR another year. My gut says that he will, even if we lose both remaining games, unless both losses are of biblical (e.g., IN@WI) proportions.

P U MSU

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 1:54 p.m.

XTR, You point out an obvious point but it has no comparison to the current situation. To ask a spread coach to take over a pro-style team is asking for a disaster. You example are pro-styles taking over pro-styles. Heartbreak, The assumption by everyone, including myself, is that if Michigan hired a new coach it would be another pro-style coach. Someone like Harbaugh (WILL NOT BE HARBAUGH). Asking a pro-style coach to take over for the fast under-sized players is also a tough transition. There would be a high likelihood of a drop-off, even with the very best of coaches. It is simply a tough situation. This is the reason I was against bringing RR here in the first place. This transition is always why I support a 4-year assesment of a coach. I really believe that no matter how good or bad of a coach you may be, a transition such as this one deserves 4 years. Pro-style to pro-style then 3 years is enough. Like I said before, so long as there is continued improvement, I am willing to support the system.

UMguy

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 1:26 p.m.

Rich Rod is only doing what he was hired to do, install the spread. It's not just a new coach you're talking about, but a new system. They simply didn't have players to run the spread when he came in. Could Jim Tressel win with half his defense freshmen and sophomores? With a first year starter at QB and sophomores at running backs?

UMguy

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 1:21 p.m.

In this day, a team has to accept a bowl bid in order to get that 15 extra days of practice. Even if it is a crappy bowl. For those of you who say the spread doesn't work, how short of memories you have... Appalachian St. and Oregon who both spanked UM the last year of Lloyd Carr both ran spreads. We just need the defense to come around and to cut down on the turnovers and you'll be loving the spread. Yes, I would like to see some toughness in the offense as well, but the pro style alone is not going to get it done. When UM beat Florida in the Cap One bowl three years ago, they consistently ran an open style, modified spread in that game and the Gators couldn't stop them. We had a defense that year as well.

XTR

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 12:35 p.m.

There are coaches who won the national championship in three seasons after taking over. They used the players that were left in the program. There are coaches who turned a losing program into top 10 ranked teams in that span without their own players. Heck Saban did it twice with two schools, Jim Tressel had an NC in 3 years so did our own Lloyd Carr LOL! RR simply cannot coach a team as shown in the results.

heartbreakM

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 12:18 p.m.

Why does everybody assume that a new coach would struggle? What I keep hearing from the RR fans is that LC left 'an empty cupboard' thus excusing RR's gosh awful record for 2 years (this year not done yet, so jury is still out but so far 7-3 is not bad). Assuming that you all trust RR has done a great job overall, should I not follow that to mean that a replacement coach would have a "full cupboard" of great talent? I mean, a replacement coach presumably would be a great coach (as RR supposedly is). If that is the case, then there should be no drop off because the talent would be there and just need to be coached. Faulty logic or no? I don't buy that a new coach would automatically have a drop off, personally, but I also don't believe that LC left an empty cupboard and that RR just flat out didn't coach the returning players well. A good coach, as I've maintained, should be able to coach up who is there and make them better, unlike RR has done in his first two years. So I don't think retaining RR rather than switching coaches over the fear of bad record holds weight as an argument.

81wolverine

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 12:03 p.m.

Only 5 1/2 point spread? Wow. I have a sure fire way for Michigan to win. I'm going to put a bunch of money on Wisconsin! Seriously though, the only way I see us winning this game is if A) Wisconsin comes in overconfident (very likely) and Michigan plays a largely turnover-free game. Even then, it would be pretty close. Still, we shocked them a few years ago here. Go Blue!

RudeJude

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 12:03 p.m.

In regards to Dave Brandon, he is a man in a tough position. I believe he is a man who respects what Michigan represents, unfortunately, many fans, including boosters, only care about the wins. Bill Martin allowed Coach Rod to get away with the things even the former WVU President would not. Thankfully, I trust AD Brandon has the integrity not to grant Rodriguez illegal advantages like graduate student to act in his will, or coaching through illegal proxies, like Coach Rod was doing. Thanks to the UM lawyers, the NCAA was unable to prove his intent, which is why Coach Rod was given a lesser charge of basically being ignorant of the rules, which were explained to him at SEVERAL NCAA rules meetings. Coach Rod played dumb and got away with cheating. I have faith that Dave Brandon will make sure the rules are followed and put an end to these shenanigans, and he can do this WITH Coach Rod, by keeping him on a short leash, or another coach with integrity. Coach Rod has a babysitter now. With Dave Brandon, Michigan will have integrity. Unless the WVU NCAA case sheds more dirt on Coach Rod, which will lead to his dismissal, assuming that does not happen, Dave Brandon will have the coach who is most capable of winning. There is no question that Dave Brandon sees that Coach Rod's offensive scheme has promise. I believe he would rather keep Coach Rod around for another year with a more mature defense that MIGHT be capable of competing with the Big Ten's best, than starting again from scratch with a new coach that would most likely lead to rebuilding years. The boosters want wins and now. To say the least, Dave Brandon has tough questions to answer and is under a lot of pressure by the Michigan boosters. The verdict is out, and Coach Rod is a fraud, but whatever Dave Brandon decides, I trust it will be in Michigan's best interest. But no matter what happens... Go Blue!

RudeJude

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 11:21 a.m.

@"true"bluefan Oh, I didn't realize the NCAA released its report on Rich Rodriguez's WVU tenure. Oh, wait, they haven't. Let's see what annarbor.com has to say about it... Check out this link to the article titled, "Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez's dealings with the NCAA not over; West Virginia case looms" http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigan-coach-rich-rodriguezs-dealings-with-the-ncaa-not-over-with-west-virginia-case-looming/ Former WVU President Mike Garrison believes Michigan "dodged a bullet." (From the article) '"There's one person who is a common link on both of these investigations," Garrison said. "And that's the football coach at Michigan."' Garrison said before resigning at West Virginia, Rodriguez had several requests that would aid him in running his program. One included asking Garrison for more graduate assistants. Garrison said he denied Rodriguez's requests, which he said played a role in Rodriguez leaving for Ann Arbor. Garrison said Thursday night he assumes Rodriguez knew the NCAA rules regarding allowable coaches. "The (Rodriguez's) intent - as far as how I took it - with having those graduate assistants was basically letting them do what he wanted them to do," Garrison said. "You see now there is some issue with monitoring what they were doing and guiding what they were doing. I think the coach has that responsibility."' It sure sounds like Coach Rod is in the clear! Phew! Clever lawyering helped Michigan dodge one bullet with Coach Rod, unless Michigan lends their team of lawyers to WVU, I doubt Coach Rod can dodge another one. Stay true to your school, blue, not to the fraud Bill Martin chose out of desperation. Go Blue!

GoblueinNE_PA

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 11:01 a.m.

The Defense showed better in the game against Purdue, but I don't think you can say they played better. Purdue's offense was awful, not because of anything we were doing, but because their QB's couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. We still saw Michigan getting gashed for big runs during the game, even though Purdue was completely 1 dimensional. There were receivers running (some times just standing) wide open in the secondary. I give the kids credit for taking what Purdue gave to them, but had Purdue had even a semi compentent QB, Michigan would have lost that game, probably by double digits. The 5 turnovers we had would have killed us against any one else. And then the play calling during the game was puzzling, to say the least. It felt at times like RichRod and crew were panicking. This Saturday will not be a pleasant one, I'm afraid. Wiscy used that big O line to manhandle IU. DRob hasn't been the same for 4 or 5 weeks, so I'm not expecting the "O" to rescue us. I think the pounding DRob's taken so far has really taken it's toll. He seems tentative and doesn't run hard like early in the season. He only had 1 good drive where he ran the ball effectively. He's also making poor decisions when he's trying to throw the ball. He's not pulling it down and running with it like he did earlier, either, instead trying to make tough throws or getting sacked. I think he'll be lucky to break Morgan's QB record.

heartbreakM

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 10:58 a.m.

The OSU: Bo took the 1981 team to the "Bluebonnet Bowl" (where we spanked UCLA on NY eve, with a great Carter performance). The Bluebonnet is along the lines of the Insight, so you are wrong. But I agree with your spirit--bowls should be a reward for good performance, and not just thrown out to the 80% of teams that can win a measley 6 or 7 games against inferior competition. I personally think that the bowls should throw out results against FCS teams, and that there should be a rule that you must win at least 50% of your conference games. That would make things interesting.

truebluefan

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 10:55 a.m.

RudeJude -- If David Brandon felt the Michigan image was tainted and disgraced by MAJOR VIOLATIONS (!!), RR would've been fired for cause 9 months ago. Sorry, but the ship has sailed on that reason to dismiss RR. It's only about what happens on the field this season.

heartbreakM

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 10:55 a.m.

ethan: Ohio State rolled over everybody that year, including Michigan's "impenetrable" offense. Suddenly, they ran into a great defense, and could not move the ball. They got winded. They got frustrated. I will maintain, they did not lose that game because they could not defend the spread. They lost to FL because their offense was stuck in neutral against the 'immovable' object. Obviously, you have to play 2 sides of the ball, Florida did it to OSU a lot on the defensive side and the D had no time to rest. And honestly, the USC team totally beat down Michigan on offense and defense in the first half, but Michigan's defense held tight and only trailed 7-6 or something at halftime. It was only when they went to pass only (not a spread, but just a conventional pass offense) that they won. Defense will win--defense with good tackling, with good fundamentals, with good positioning, etc. And re: Wis: you have to get through your conference to get to the big game. So it does not matter if you have a great spread. If you can't beat them, forget it.

P U MSU

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 10:53 a.m.

My prediction at the beginning of the year was 7-5 or 8-4. I had PSU as my toss up game in which we loss. Let face the fact that this is right where they should be with the talent on the field. They are young. They make a ton of mistakes. To expect more than what they have produced is simply your fandom interfering with common sence. I will expect more from this team next year, so long as RR is the the coach. We have another coaching change and we will be lucky to get 5 wins next year. I said I would continue to support RR as the coach so long as there is continued improvment. While I have a hard time of finding any improvements on the defense, unltimatly I judge improvement on wins and losses. 3-9 5-7 Probably 7-5 and a bowl win. That is improvement in my view. I am willing to give RR another year based on this. As far as this weeks win, it wasn't pretty. I'll take the win. Many of these kids are from the southern states and are not use to the nasty weather the Big10 has to offer. I think the weather had more to do with the flat offense than anything else. We had 2 TD's in the first 5 minutes of the game before the rain started to fall.

The OSU

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 10:37 a.m.

The Insight Bowl? Seriously? You guys would accept an offer from the Insight Bowl? Trivia: Minnesota has represented the Big 10 three of the last four years. Yes, MINNESOTA! The lone exception was when the FB powerhouse INDIANA represented the Big 10. Last year's attendance: 45,000. That was the TOTAL attendance from both schools. You guys should draw that many to your spring scrimmage. Maybe the 1970's rules were better. If you don't win the conference, you stay home. Somehow, I can't picture Bo taking a team to the Insight Bowl. At least if you chose to go to the Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl, you might get a coupon for a free pizza.

ethanblue

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 10:20 a.m.

I'm confused when Heartbreak writes: "And Florida didn't win because of its offense--they won over OSU because they defended extremely well (and it didn't hurt that Ginn got injured). USC beat UM in the Rose Bowl a few years ago because they defended us really really well, and then executed their pass game well--not a spread by any means" 1) I guess you only need to play one side of the ball? Florida scored 41 points against one of the, ugh, top defenses that year. Only Michigan scored more than 17 against OSU that year, outside of Florida. So, Florida's offense was pretty good, too. 2) Also, Troy Smith and Terrelle Pryor have run spread-type offenses at OSU for the last six or seven years. Even Sweater Vest knows that basic offenses aren't good enough to win a NC. My wife is a Buckeye fan, so I've seen many OSU games. Pryor and company run a lot of three or four WR sets -- which is another version of the spread theory. They also run a few option plays and QB keepers a game. 3) When is the last time Wisconsin was in a NC game? Penn State? Iowa? Darryl Clark, a mobile QB, and his three and four receiver sets at Penn State were the closest of these three "traditional" teams to get close. Crazy thing is: JoePa allowed the offense to change to the times to incorporate more WRs and more RBs because people were clamoring for him to retire so that the Lions could get with the new century. JoePa realized that he needed to add in a spread offense, and that's how they're coming back. Look at the QBs being recruited by PSU and you'll realize that they recruit running QBs like Kevin Newsome, Paul Jones and Bolden -- all guys that could have played for Michigan, too. 4) Tebow was 2 NCs and I hate to break it to you, but they ran a "high school" system. One that Urban Meyer took from Bowling Green to Utah and then to Florida. He was lucky that when he got to Florida he had one of the deepest recruiting classes (thanks to Zook) to win right away with; while FSU and Miami were fading the state was his.

newe82

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 10:07 a.m.

Wisconsin 63 Michigan 24 Ohio State 38 Michigan 10 RR Fired!!!!

RudeJude

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 9:56 a.m.

The phrase "defensive masterpiece" should have been left in the closet for this season. Considering the weather, was it not surprising that both offenses struggled? If anything, it is a relief that the defense was capable of taking advantage of a struggling Purdue offense, an offense that has a scoring average of less than 10 points a game in its last four Big ten outings. If the Michigan defense was incapable of overcoming Purdue's offense under rainy weather conditions, it would have revealed the defense to be even worse than we originally believed. I imagine Michigan's D will, unsurprisingly but unfortunately, forget their masterful ways against Sconnie and OSU. In regards to the High School Spread vs. Urban Meyer et al Legitimate Spread Offenses debate, Michigan's offense has to put up some points against these two to make a case for its legitimacy. Michigan needs to put up AT LEAST 28 to show it can compete with the Big Ten's best. If Michigan walks out of the Big House losing something like 52-35 next Saturday, we blame it on the defense and Coach Rod gets another season. If they lose something like 52-14, the tide turns further on Coach Rod, and it's more likely he'll lose his job. If they pull off the upset, Coach Rod is a hero. Sadly, to many Michigan fans, that Coach Rod, who is still under investigation by the NCAA, was the first coach to taint the Michigan program's integrity is a secondary factor to winning. The Michigan True would say "fire'em" even if he wins the next two 100-0. Integrity first, winning second. Go Blue!

heartbreakM

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 9:44 a.m.

Speaking of coaches: Mandel on CNNSI has an interesting stat: Marrone, coach of Syracuse, has more wins now in 2 seasons minus a few games, 11, than Greg Rob had in 4 seasons (10). Now, we can all argue about the Big East vs. the B10/11 all we want, but does that mean that Syracuse had better talent and recruiting (i.e. a better cupboard) than RR had 3 years ago when taking over a perennial winner?

umgoblue47

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 9:39 a.m.

you negative nancy's are pathetic! why don't you post some praise for these kid's that work there butt's off in practice and play there heart's out in a game?? it is almost all negative BS aimed at the coach's... get another life, get another team or go away, your choice! support the team which include's the PLAYER'S not just the coach's... GO BLUE...

CamaroDan

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 9:19 a.m.

3 and Out Why should we belive any of your predictons. I do remember you saying "4 wins, 5 at best." On the other hand, you must be a rocket scientist since you have predicted Wisky will lay 40 on us. I would have never thought that.

XTR

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 8:56 a.m.

There's a big difference between the spread offense of RR and spread offense of Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly etc etc. The difference is that the other coaches WIN and RR LOSES. I mean, the spread is overrated, coz the coach is the LOSER here! A team can play pro style or spread, as long as the team is managed correctly and motivated correctly will win and that is the reason why there are many teams that win despite of style. The problem here is the head coach! RR is the loser and will lose big games all the time! LOL!

heartbreakM

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 8:47 a.m.

I always laugh when people assume there is only one offensive way to win anymore. I will give RR credit--this year's offensive stats are gaudy compared to most years that we've had. That is difficult to defend, but so far, 3 teams have done a decent job of it and beaten us because of good fundamental defense. But it all comes down to execution and fundamentals. When a team is executing well, either on offense or defense, they will usually win no matter what offense or defensive style they play. MIchigan's fundamentals on defense have been horrible which explains their bad performance. Interestingly, we lost to PSU running, yes, a 'bread and butter' offense. To MSU and Iowa who also ran a simple offense. It does not matter if you run a spread or Stanford type of offense. If you do it well, you will usually win. And Florida didn't win because of its offense--they won over OSU because they defended extremely well (and it didn't hurt that Ginn got injured). USC beat UM in the Rose Bowl a few years ago because they defended us really really well, and then executed their pass game well--not a spread by any means.

Fan

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 8:37 a.m.

At this point in the season, this FAN believes Michigan has its goal set on competing in the Gator or Outback Bowl; that means a win over Wisconsin (and) or Ohio State. Choose whatever formation melts your butter, this remarkable season of college football belongs to Denard and the Team of Wolverines. That said, one airline offers $9 flights to Fort Lauderdale. The entire world will be watching the selected bowl game sitting on the edge of their seats a sustained vision some FANS predicted in August/September.

Opalmerr

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 8:17 a.m.

Before everyone goes overboard in proclaiming the defense made significant strides it would be best to remember that against Purdue they faced an offense they were recruited to stop. This has been my main point of contention since Rich Rod took over. He recruits small but quick players that can defend against a spread attack, which coincidentally Purdue runs. Against the power running attack of Wisconsin... well, Michigan's offense might need to score 84 points to win next Saturday.

Marshall Applewhite

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 8:15 a.m.

I really get a kick out of the fairweather Michigan fans. If you're really rooting for the Maize & Blue to lose, you might as well just purchase a bunch of Ohio State gear already.

Steve Pepple

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 7:57 a.m.

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ChelseaBob

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 6:09 a.m.

Tater- Where did you go to school, Mich State? Dinosaurs did not coexist with early man. Completely different eras. And a "defensive masterpiece"? Really? i don't know what game you watched. It was more like pathetically predicatble play calling on the Purdue sidelines. I'll take the victory, but we will finish in lower half of big ten again.

3 And Out

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 5:40 a.m.

PS: Koolaid Crew: Lloyd Carr 122-40, 5 BT, 1NC. Rich Rod 6-15 in BT. Any questions? Seriously why you people insist on comparing the Lloyd Carr Era with the Rich Rod Error is beyond me. It is embarrassing to you people. So stop with it already...it gets sickening to continuously read. I want to puke now.

3 And Out

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 5:38 a.m.

"Defensive Masterpiece"???? OMG Pete you jumped the shark to the koolaid drinkers with that one. Maybe you always were one. Purdue has one of the worst offensive that Ive seen in many many years of BT football. They are down to their 5th QB. Their 3rd could not even hit a WIDE open WR. Their 4th, a converted WR went down to injury. The 5th (who used to be their 2nd) was playing with a lacerated hand and a glove on his hand. All of them played in a pouring rain. What game did you watch Pete to see this "defensive masterpiece". Word to you and the rest of the Koolaid Crew: Wisconsin will lay at least 40 on us at home...at least! Wake Up.

BlueGator

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 5:28 a.m.

Hard to believe that the oddsmakers have Wiscy favored by only 5.5 pts. this morning. I'm a diehard, delusional UM fan, but that slim point spread seems wacky.

RobbiesBoyfriend

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 1:52 a.m.

Michigan has a defense? Tater or Pasadena, How did Oregons spread do last year in the rose bowl against those big slow heavy footed Buckeyes? If i remember right, Ohio state couldnt beat Purdue last year, and Pryor was a wreck at quarter back, but with a solid defense they beat Oregon. How does that happen? (Answer: between the tackles power running, 3 yards and a cloud of dust)

Gwhizz

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 1:11 a.m.

My bad, just reread the entire post.

Gwhizz

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 1:10 a.m.

Since when would 7-4 or 7-5 equal a.500 season?

peg dash fab

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 1:05 a.m.

@stlgoblue: they're praying for rain \(^;^)/ go blue!

Lemansblue

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 12:45 a.m.

Blue, I will have what your having when you come down post again in english.

stlgoblue

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 12:26 a.m.

Clang...Bang...as a bead of sweat dripped from the brow of the wrinkled blacksmith, he straightened, noticing the noisy contraption careening down mainstreet. These new fangled machines were becoming all too commonplace for his liking, causing him to spit and then quip, to no one in particular, "that horseless carriage thing-a-ma-jig wont last for long...nothing beats a quarter horse on 4 on my best shoes..." Keep looking back, lemanhead. U may find it high-schoolish, but I'll bet the Wiscy D-cord is burning the midnight oil trying to find a way to stop this new fangled Michigan Offensive

Macabre Sunset

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 12:26 a.m.

Are you comparing Rich Rodriguez's offense to Florida under Urban Meyer or Oregon under Chip Kelly? Funny. Always funny to see the kids who think the "spread" is an actual playbook rather than a concept that can be interpreted in many ways. In the meantime, one more loss and it's three seasons of.500 or worse in the Big Ten. That's not something we had to endure even once when Schembechler, Moeller and Carr coached here. Not once.

Lemansblue

Mon, Nov 15, 2010 : 12:14 a.m.

Pasadena. Yea you are right I think our Big Ten record that year was 2-6 and then in 2006 we were 1-7 am I right? I also forgot that Toledo game when big bad Toledo came in here and we unleashed that awesome high school offense on them. Do you remember?

Pasadena1198

Sun, Nov 14, 2010 : 11:59 p.m.

Lemansblue Please refresh my memory - what was the record of our pro style offense in 2005? And it seems like we played two spread style high school offenses the first 2 games in 2007. We had a senior laden team that year-they must have been blowouts for us. Do you remember?

Lemansblue

Sun, Nov 14, 2010 : 11:57 p.m.

Tater, I know RR invented that awesome high school offense so tell us about all his National Championships and about his undefeated seasons in the powerful Big East conference. Do not worry about Wisconsin's offense it is outdated just like Mi use to run.

Lemansblue

Sun, Nov 14, 2010 : 11:47 p.m.

Camaro, You want to compare records of our old style offense to our new style high school offense?

CamaroDan

Sun, Nov 14, 2010 : 11:37 p.m.

Lemansblue I didn't know we won every game we played running that old out dated pro style offense.

Lemansblue

Sun, Nov 14, 2010 : 9:42 p.m.

Do not worry they run that old out dated pro style offense. I am sure they will not even score against Mi because they do not have that great new style high school spread offense.