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Posted on Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 3:30 p.m.

3 teens charged with attempted murder for shooting at men in Ypsilanti Township

By John Counts

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Garland Johnson

Courtesy of Washtenaw County Jail

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Marquell Ganter

Courtesy of WCJ

Three teens have now been charged for shooting at two men standing outside an Ypsilanti Township home early Wednesday morning.

Fifteen-year-old Davon Davis was arraigned Thursday on two counts of assault with intent to murder, two counts of assaulting and resisting a police officer, carrying a concealed weapon and commission of a felony with a firearm. He is being charged as adult.

Family members of 17-year-old Marquell Ganter and 18-year-old Garland Johnson packed the lobby Friday at the Washtenaw County Service Center where they tearfully watched as the two teens were arraigned on attempted murder charges via video from the jail, where they are both being held on $500,000 cash bonds.

Ganter sobbed throughout the proceedings, where he was charged with two counts of assault with intent to murder, receiving and concealing a firearm, carrying a weapon with unlawful intent, carrying a concealed weapon, assaulting or resisting a police officer and commission of a felony with a firearm.

Ganter is accused of "accidentally" firing off a round at two deputies during a chase, police said.

Johnson faces two counts of assault with intent to murder, possession of a firearm, carrying a concealed weapon, assaulting or resisting a police officer, attempted breaking entering and commission of a felony in which a motor vehicle was used.

Police believe Johnson was the gunman who fired off five shots from the back of a Chevy Impala at two men standing in front of a residence in the 500 block of Greenlawn Avenue Wednesday around 5:50 a.m.

Police said Johnson attempted to steal a motorcycle from the shed at the home earlier in the morning when he was interrupted and confronted by one of the two men. The three teens went across Michigan Avenue, where there was a second confrontation with the two men, police said.

Some time after the second confrontation, the teens are accused of driving by the residence on Greenlawn, when the shots were fired.

"It's a miracle (the two men) weren't stuck," said Det. Katrina Robinson of the sheriff's office while arguing for $1 million bonds for Ganter and Johnson.

"I didn't know them," Ganter said between sobs during the arraignment.

Johnson, who allegedly fired the gun, said he didn't intend to hit anyone with the shots.

"When I shot the firearm, I did not shoot it at (anybody)," he said.

The rounds hit the house and an SUV parked in the driveway.

As they attempted to getaway, four suspects in the vehicle hit a parked car a few houses away and tried fleeing on foot. Deputies caught up with Davis, Ganter and Johnson on a nearby Interstate 94 off-ramp.

By the time the deputies were out of the patrol vehicle and chasing the three teens on foot, Ganter had the pistol

"He said he accidentally fired the gun," Robinson said.

The gun was allegedly stolen from a vehicle earlier in the month, police said.

Deputies arrested Davis and Johnson on Tyler Road soon after the shots were fired. Ganter got away and a hours-long manhunt ensued invoking canine units and a helicopter. Ganter eventually turned himself in, police said at the arraignment.

All three teens are from Ypsilanti Township.

Both Ganter and Johnson were given preliminary examination dates of Sept. 3 by Magistrate Elisha Fink. They remain in the Washtenaw County Jail. Davis is in custody at the juvenile detention center. He did not have a booking picture available because he wasn't processed through the jail, according to police.

Fink decided on $500,000 bonds for Johnson and Ganter instead of the $1 million bond requested by police.

"I'm not a threat to the outside," Johnson said during bond arguments "I'm a good kid. I just want to say sorry to everybody."

A fourth person was questioned by investigators, but is not currently in custody, police said.

Davis is being held on $300,000 bond in the juvenile detention center, according to court records.

John Counts covers cops and courts for AnnArbor.com. He can be reached at johncounts@annarbor.com or you can follow him on Twitter.

Comments

Kay11

Tue, Aug 27, 2013 : 1:10 p.m.

I wasn't going to comment on here but peeps just keep running there mouths about false information....I just wanted to say a few things considering I was one of the people that lives at the house that was being shot at. First I'll say The 2 men that was being shot at was my husband and daughters boyfriend that was getting ready to go to work to make an honest living. (THANK GOD THEY DIDNT GET HIT) Im just so thankful My husband came back from store before he went to work cuz thats when he caught them in my yard, and chase em off and said dont come back...Why didnt they jus go on there way after that? I dont know!! Instead they had to drive by shooting at my family, Why? it was a lil mini dirt bike thats pry worth (not even) 100.00, not worth loosing our lives over or them spend yrs hopefully many in prison. The shooter says he wasnt shooting at anyone, really? I have 3 bullet holes in my car (it wasn't the the suv either in my driveway) The car where the men was standing. Also what noone is saying was that my daughter and I was also standing in the driveway when they came by shooting where the other bullet hit my daughters window about 5 ft away from us. Dont tell me he was'nt shooting at anyone!!!so really it should be 5 attept of murder, the 4 of us outside and my son that was in his bed next to the window that was shot. Bullets has no names or directions on em! Also for the record of the Stacy Reed comment on here you dont kno us to sit there and say this is a big time drug dealer house, that we have 80K under our mattress. That is false!! How would u even kno what I have in my house I dont know you!! If I had that I would NOT be in this town and we wouldn't have to work to make a honest living or wouldnt struggle!! We have worked for every damn thing we have and dont appreciate someone coming and trying to steal anything from my house!!! If you wanna borrow something hell jus ask Im a kind person! ALL I WANT IS JUSTICE FOR MY FAMILY!!

734_Native

Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 2:35 p.m.

woman stop lying

Justice411

Tue, Aug 27, 2013 : 1:35 p.m.

Amen, I agree on this statemnet... I know forsure this family does not have a drug dealer home, and who ever said that they have 80k under their mattress Is False...I dont know if they are trying to say all this false stuff to make them look Good and the homeowners to look bad .. But You can't make excuses for kids trying to act like adults that do bad!! It just doesnt work that way.. You have to own up to the choice's you make.. Well all I know is I want just for the family that this happened too... They need to be able to have their life back to normal...

In doubt

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 7:28 p.m.

I can't help but wonder if the police officers think these clowns ACCIDENTALLY shot at them?

tjayne

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 7:03 p.m.

This is very tragic...and I don't think they will be out in no time. Michigan has "truth in sentencing" and there is NO TIME OFF FOR GOOD BEHAVIOR.

genetracy

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 1:14 p.m.

We need to exmaine the root causes as to why this happened.

matt1027

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 2:53 a.m.

Keep em in prison...we'll be paying their way the rest of their lives whether it's confined or through welfare anyways.

Tim Hornton

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 1:45 a.m.

"Republican response = Kill these clowns immediately after due process. Democrat Response = 2 years probation with no jail but has to go to mental health treatment classes once a week for a month after due process." Oh and more free welfare money for able bodied people with some Section 8 bonus will fix the problems too on the liberal side. Just look at Detroit, an up and coming city just 45 minutes away.

In doubt

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 5:22 p.m.

Hey Tim, you hit the nail right on the head. It's the cold hard facts, and this is what has destroyed our country.

lefty48197

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 9:25 p.m.

Why were the families of the accused packing the courtroom? What about the families of the victims?

matt1027

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 6:36 p.m.

Probably assumed they be beaten up by the accused families. By accident of course. Followed by tears of regret

Susan Ursus

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 12:26 a.m.

If someone had shot at my loved ones like that, I'd be on the phone with a realtor looking for a better neighborhood, not spending more time with the thugs who did the shooting, or their useless families.

ffej440

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 8:54 p.m.

Always confront criminals at least once.....After all, its not like they may come back and shoot at you.

Laurie Barrett

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 8:31 p.m.

I don't advocate for the death penalty except in the case where anyone uses a gun in a crime. Loaded or unloaded, fired or not fired, doesn't matter. Even possession of a gun not registered to the owner is a crime and will apply. Ok maybe that's too severe. I'll relax it to life without parole for any non-second amendment defined gun involvement.

The Picker

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 8:29 p.m.

Another sad tale of Honor Students gone bad !

MsCochise

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 8:16 p.m.

These violence crimes are heading right in the direction of "three strikes".

djacks24

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 6:01 p.m.

"Family members of 17-year-old Marquell Ganter and 18-year-old Garland Johnson packed the lobby Friday at the Washtenaw County Service Center where they tearfully watched as the two teens were arraigned on attempted murder charges via video from the jail," So, the family shows up after the fact? I'm sure the family is pleading saying this isn't fair and saying how good these kids are. Where were they at 5 or 6am when all this went down? Did they even notice the kids weren't home in their beds? Assume they were innocently tucked in at a sleepover at a friends house? Teenagers out all hours of the night can't be getting into any trouble, right?

ROB 64

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 4:02 p.m.

Occam's razor comes to mind here. Yes, we're making some assumptions. They are most likely correct, though we are of course not entirely certain. Regardless, I hope you (Jaime) can see that there was some combination of less than ideal parental involvement and bad intent on the part of their children, even if we don't know all of the specifics.

Jaime Magiera

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 4:08 a.m.

You don't know the parents. You don't know the circumstances of the living situation of the young men either. You are, again, full of assumptions.

cinnabar7071

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 9:13 p.m.

Jaime no tether needed here, but I'll let you know with certainty if my kid were gone all night I'd know. Might take a few hours from when he'd left, but he could be sure I'd be there to greet him when he got home. Making excuses for bad parenting helps no one.

Jaime Magiera

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 7:59 p.m.

djacks24, psychic phenomenon has never been proven scientifically. Also, most parents don't put tethers on their children. As such, it's quite possible for 17 year old kids to leave a building of their own accord and not be noticed. You seem to be making all kinds of assumptions.

Tru2Blu76

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 5:15 p.m.

"When I shot the firearm, I did not shoot it at (anybody)," Ganter said. That's as lame as it can get. Sobbing throughout the proceedings: sounds like a great way to elicit sympathy from the jurors and the judge in their up-coming trial. Brace yourselves for the "I'm just a kid" Defense.

Tom Todd

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 5:44 p.m.

Live the Prison culture,Live in Prison

eyeonthenews

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 4:30 p.m.

@Stacy Reed and terrell16, These kids have made many bad mistakes before making this Huge Major Mistake. It's all the little ones that they've got away with in the past that eventually led to them having the audacity to try something on a grander scale. And yes, they have made many other mistakes in the community that maybe(?) the family isn't aware of but the residents of West Willow have had to deal with. It doesn't matter who the person or persons are that they chose to perpetrate a crime on. There's a simple rule You don't take what doesn't belong to you. They had so many chances to walk away from this before it escalated to the horrible life changing mess it turned out to be but most of all their first choice was to steal this motor bike and when that failed they went back to retaliate. Be thankful the police didn't return fire and shoot one or all of these young men. You'd be going to their funeral instead of District Court.

MARK

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 2:15 p.m.

"Milk on a hot day " is a bad choice this was criminal

Jaime Magiera

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 2:06 p.m.

I find it fascinating that when crimes with young people influenced by violent culture, poverty or emotional/mental health problems happen, the vultures swoop down in the comments section of the articles here - to degrade, vilify and spout racist nonsense. Yet, not one of those people will comment positively on articles regarding resources that deal with educating the youth and providing them opportunities to avoid violence, poverty or emotional/mental health problems.

Jaime Magiera

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 4:18 a.m.

John, yeah exactly - or the articles on the Headstart schools.

Jaime Magiera

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 4:13 a.m.

Matt, there were no references to race-related motivations in any of the articles on this incident. None. So any comments implying that there should be ethnic intimidation punishment based on the fact that the young boys may be black shows a false sense of inequality, which is motivated by deep-seated racism. it's pretty clear.

matt1027

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 5:18 p.m.

Where in your quoted statement is a racist comment? Are you assuming that the questioning of their ability to write a proper essay is because they're black? That's very racist of you. I wouldn't think any teen criminal who is engaging in that behavior isn't the brightest writer. I'm not sure why I argue with you, rule #1 is don't argue with a fool or drunk. From what you write you qualify for at least the one of those.

John

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 12:54 p.m.

@Jaime, it is funny how many comments the crime stories get compared to the more positive community-related ones. Kids shoot at a house = nearly 200 comments. Parkridge Festival news = crickets. "Man bites dog".

MARK

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 11:52 p.m.

I think we are all capable of bad but most of us keep it tamped down. Whether we do because of our upbringing, school,church,mentors,popular culture is up for debate and provides us with all these interesting comments

Jaime Magiera

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 7:50 p.m.

Violence is taught - to all people, regardless of race, gender, etc. People are not born that way. I did not bring up race other than to point out that people here have made racist comments, such as Matt... ----------- matt1027 8:01 PM on 8/23/2013 NICE POINT. They charged a white 20 something with ethnic intimidation for use of racial epithets...I guess the law doesn't apply when it's black on white. Plus, from the looks of these guys having to write a 250 word essay could be tantamount to a life sentence. ----- You guys can stroke yourselves all you want. However, you're not really helping solve the root causes of violence and aggression ion in our culture.

matt1027

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 7:22 p.m.

@ djacks... THANK YOU for a little logic. People like Jaime who make these assumptions based on race are the racists, not people who expect someone who shoots at police to go to prison.

matt1027

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 7:21 p.m.

This guy never misses a chance to spout nauseating apologist drivel when a criminal breaks the law. Everybody is a victim and no one is responsible for their actions. With enough counciling and a few compliments teens who shoot at people will go to college and become productive members of society right? How does someone delude themselves to this extent. And Jaime, where is anyone saying anything racist? I have a feeling people wouldn't be OK with this behavior and be offering to help with bail money if they were white or asian. I have a funny feeling Ann Arbor is the biggest city you've lived in. Sound like your life experience comes from a textbook.

djacks24

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 6:08 p.m.

Wow! Spending too much time around UM campus? Maybe you should take a few days off and get off the kool-aid for a day or two. You make a huge assumption these kids come from poverty and are influenced by a violent culture, but have the audacity to call other posters here racist? What's so racist about saying they did something very stupid and dangerous and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law? I don't care if they were black, white, yellow, red or brown. Let the crime decide the time.

clownfish

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 1:04 p.m.

Reading these comments I am convinced that our nation is truly one built on Christian values. Hate, fear, judgment and assumption rule the day. I laugh at many of the same posters that a few days ago were complaining about how overzealous police were enforcing speeding laws (automobile accidents kill abut the same number of people as those killed by guns in this country.) and now they want the book thrown at two KIDS.

ROB 64

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 3:22 p.m.

@clownfish - There is no reason to bring religion into this. These people committed a series of serious crimes and should be held accountable (as well as helped if possible). The number of deaths caused by automobiles and guns may be similar in this country may be similar (I don't know that, but I'll take your word for it), but the intent is entirely different and that does matter.

Justice4all

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:48 p.m.

A 15 year old charged as an adult. A 17 year old that is barely an adult in the criminal system and an 18 year old. All took part in something horrible whether they were the shooter or not. ALL have major felony charges. ALL will be doing some significant jail time. LET THIS SERVE AS A WAKE UP CALL TO ALL OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE THEM THAT ARE ON OUR STREETS TODAY.

soundmind1962

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:09 p.m.

Wow. These Darn kids know they are liking wreckless lives. What is going on in our society today. So sad.

Nicholas Urfe

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 11:18 a.m.

Let's just keep encouraging the kids to idolize the gangta life that is depicted in music that embraces criminal enterprise. I doubled over with laughter when I heard Master P's lyrics. But some people take it seriously, as something to aspire to. How about some nice jazz?

clownfish

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 1:08 p.m.

Jazz used to be slang for sex, and was born out of the brothels and street dives of the inner city. Jazz was considered "devils music" by our grandparents, who also were scared of young black kids and their "new" music".

Jay Thomas

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 6:07 a.m.

I just wanted to say that the same people who want gun control are frequently lenient with people using guns criminally. Also, I've heard the "good kid" comment three times over the past three days regarding other similar crimes. Good thing we have so many good kids...

lefty48197

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 9:31 p.m.

"I just wanted to say that the same people who want gun control are frequently lenient with people using guns criminally." That's not true.

terrell16

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 5:58 a.m.

I understand what they did but why be judgemental and rude ? Calling them trash I thought you guys were adults I didnt know adults talk like that about a kid who made a mistake

matt1027

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 3:04 a.m.

HAHAHAHA....a kid who made a mistake... A kid making a mistake is a long way off shooting at a house after a botched robbery and shooting at police. The fact that youre excusing it as such shows a severe lack of character and intelligence on your part. You family? and PS...they are trash, and theyre on their way to the dump for a long long time.

lefty48197

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 9:32 p.m.

Multiple counts of attempted murder is NOT a mistake.

Goober

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 11:34 a.m.

A totally unacceptable mistake. No excuses accepted.

Nicholas Urfe

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 11:11 a.m.

Mistake? You mean finally getting caught?

Jaime Magiera

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 5:37 a.m.

Ms. Reed, thanks for the information and for your honesty. Thankfully nobody was hurt. Hopefully these boys can find a way to redeem themselves. A lot of factors can contribute to the escalation of violence in our society. The best we can do is work towards countering the influences that inspire such behavior.

matt1027

Wed, Aug 28, 2013 : 1:08 a.m.

What proof do you have she is being honest? Clearly she is biased.

TheDiagSquirrel

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 3:13 a.m.

Elisha Fink, the same magistrate who just allowed the person responsible for destroying a $1M crane to be bonded out on PR (who then broke into an apartment complex afterwards), has now granted these people bond. A high bond that they probably cant post, but its still the principle of the matter. She has had one terrible week as magistrate.

Jay Thomas

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 6:09 a.m.

Sometimes people have names for a reason.

Justice4all

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 2:53 a.m.

I know of one person unrelated to anyone in the story, yet he is devistated by what happened. Remember, in any situation like this there are major ripple effects and lives on all sides that are forever changed. I feel for the victims whose lives were put in danger. Their families and friends who I'm sure still fear for their loved ones safety even with the accused in custody. For the deputies who were doing their jobs only to find themselves in a situation with guns going off. For the neighbors who heard shots or saw officers moving through the streets in pursuit and fear when this might happen again. For the familes of the accused, who no matter what we think of them have lost their family members for a long time. And yes, even for the accused who I'm sure long before this had lost their way and now will lose their freedom. A situation like this has multiple tragedies and changese the lives of eveyone involved. I pray for them all.

Youwhine

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:53 a.m.

If this happens in any other county, the prosecutor would have had the guts to charge them with shooting at the deputies and the judge would have not allowed bond.

Tim Hornton

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:37 a.m.

More gun laws, Obamacare, more welfare, and higher taxes will fix our thug society into Utopia! Oh and more slap on the wrist "treatment programs" instead of prison will help too, Thanks.

lefty48197

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 9:34 p.m.

Guns don't shoot at cops, people on welfare and people who pay lots of taxes do!

Jay Thomas

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 6:04 a.m.

Many forget but in the old days they said that these poverty programs would stop people from turning to crime. It hasn't worked that way because it only breeds dependency. We have continued to spend more and more (inventing new programs along the way) and the crime is a constant in our lives.

beardown

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 3:20 a.m.

Yep, because giving poor people access to health care will lead them to shoot at other people. I think you got the fox news marching orders mixed up.

blk203

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:27 a.m.

I really don't think bashing solves the problem. Blacks as well as whites commit crimes. The situation is bad for both the victims and suspects. All we can do is pray for the youth. All races. So for all u grown ppl on here wit your opinions about what they should have been taught. You know nothing about their families. So before you judge throw the 1st stone. Oh, wait u can't because we all fall short. NO ONE IS PERFECT. Now comment on that all u intelligent ppl.

matt1027

Tue, Aug 27, 2013 : 1:05 a.m.

My outrage is absolutely selected towards those who endanger lives over those who hurt someone's feelings.

John

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 6:24 p.m.

Bend it however you need to avoid acknowledging your selective outrage at people engaged in criminal acts.

matt1027

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 3:07 a.m.

Id say throwing rocks at a house is vandalism...not assault. Bend it however you need to actually come close to a point though johny.

John

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 2:37 a.m.

"they didn't assault their neighbor with rocks" Yes, they did. Go read the article again.

Jaime Magiera

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 4:45 p.m.

You're contradicting yourself. I do hope you take your own advice though. matt1027 8:01 PM on 8/23/2013 NICE POINT. They charged a white 20 something with ethnic intimidation for use of racial epithets...I guess the law doesn't apply when it's black on white. Plus, from the looks of these guys having to write a 250 word essay could be tantamount to a life sentence.

matt1027

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 4:22 p.m.

@ John, they didn't assault their neighbor with rocks. They used racial epithets (which we can all agree was terrible) and pushed her when she confronted them on their own property. I think we can all (even you) see a difference between words and bullets. You are really bad at arguing a point.

Jaime Magiera

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 2:44 p.m.

That's OK. I'll just wait until you're gone.

John

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:56 p.m.

@matt, funny, I didn't see you calling the two kids who harassed and assaulted their neighbor with rocks and death threats "trash" and calling for them to have the book thrown at them. In fact, you were making a whole lot of excuses for THEIR poor choices, and trying to shift blame to the woman who had ethnic slurs and rocks thrown at her.

beardown

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 4:25 a.m.

These three kids tried to shoot and most likely kill a couple of people. Their race is not of consequence in this discussion. The horrible lack of judgement that led to these actions should be punished with incarceration. Prayers won't help these kids from the horrible decisions that they have already made. And, honestly, you should pray that those that they shot at are safe, not for the souls of three children who seemed to be out to kill or maim someone.

Catherine

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 3:35 a.m.

Ann Arbor, this is just a little taste of what Flint residents get everyday. Earlier this month a white veteran who served in Korea was stomped to death by teenagers who felt "disrespected" -- like that WWII veteran in Spokane today except the national media could care less. Last week an 18 year old was arraigned for murdering four people this summer, including a 9 year old boy, in an argument similar to this one. Flint and Detroit may be ground zero, but this thug culture is in more places than you can imagine.

TryingToBeObjective

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 2:50 a.m.

We can do more than just "pray for the youth." As far as their families, your actions are reflected in how you are raised. My kids aren't criminals. They know better because of how I raised them. I certainly wouldn't bring the whole family down to the courthouse. Pathetic.

Richard Smith

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 1:48 a.m.

I don't think people should put the blame on the families your absolutely right. I also agree with most not all of your statement. They are children who believed in a culture of violence i assume. That's not the parents fault. But they did commit a crime for whatever reason and will be judged accordingly. There has to be more than just prayer for the youth. Leaders in all communities need to stand up against violence and the culture that is teaching our kids to be violent. There has not been many leaders that has done this therefore nothing will change.

Youwhine

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:52 a.m.

I've never broken into anybody's house or shed, stolen vehicles, had stolen guns, shot at people, fled the police or shot at the police (accidentally or on purpose). Can I start throwing stones now?

Tim Hornton

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:39 a.m.

"throw the 1st stone" these young men were "throwing" bullets all over the place trying to kill people. I doubt anyone in this commet section would be a hypocrite for calling this type of criminal behavior out, good grief.

cinnabar7071

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:32 a.m.

What was your reason to even bring race into this? I find it disturbing.

Roncerz

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : midnight

What is going on?!!! What is it with these teens lately?! This is ridiculous and needs to stop. I am so sick & tired of hearing about it. Thank God no one was hurt, but that is the exception, not the rule. What is the matter with them that they are trying to hurt/kill people? Do they understand what it means to live and to die? Do they value life? Anything other than material goods? Where did their parents and/or society fail them that they would choose this path? Are they in a gang? Let's stop the useless 'war on drugs' and start cracking down hard on these gangs or wannabe gangster hoodlums. Get them off the streets.

beardown

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 3:19 a.m.

Lately? Because this has never happened before? Murder or attempted murder is a new phenomenon? Because no generation prior to this ever tried something like this...nope, its not been glorified for the past 100+ years of American history, from Capone through the various modern gangsters that movies have been made about. And maybe the issue with the teens nowadays is their parents?

mgoscottie

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 1:36 a.m.

Teens? You mean all ages...

martini man

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 11:43 p.m.

I hope they throw the book at these scumbags ..However the liberal idea of" throwing the book " is counseling and sensitivity training . I am sure these fine young but "confused" young men will be returned to society and become wonderful citizens. Can you feel the love ???

Tim Hornton

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:41 a.m.

Liberal counseling worked for Detroit, lets give it a chance.

nickcarraweigh

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 10:39 p.m.

It's like an Elmore Leonard story, only even more realistic

Roncerz

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:03 a.m.

Except that Elmore Leonard's characters are interesting.

TryingToBeObjective

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 10:34 p.m.

"Accidentally carrying guns", as well as shooting them. "I'm not a threat to the outside..." don't have to worry about that, you won't be seeing the outside for a looooonnnngggg time, hopefully. Glad the family could pack the lobby- where have they been prior? A little late for "family support." Where did these boys GET the guns?

TryingToBeObjective

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 2:46 a.m.

I can read John. My point was that the families are oblivious, and these boys have obviously committed other infractions (allegedly stealing a gun).

matt1027

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 11:58 p.m.

@ John... to put it in terms these young urban youths will hear plenty... asked and answered...do you have an actual point?

matt1027

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 11:57 p.m.

Excellent point. The family always shows up when it's court time. If it was my kid I'd be so ashamed and embarrassed im not sure id be there. What does showing what broke, unstable garbage your family is help anyways?

John

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 11:03 p.m.

"Where did these boys GET the guns?" Per the article, "The gun was allegedly stolen from a vehicle earlier in the month, police said."

Arboriginal

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 9:33 p.m.

It's too bad the family members didn't offer these kids a strong showing while they were growing up.

ROB 64

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 3:31 p.m.

@YpsiGirl4Ever - matt1027 hardly claimed to be perfect himself. It is important to understand that whatever your lord feels about sins, lying and shooting at people are vastly different offenses, and regardless of whether or not we are perfect we can still voice our opinions on the matter on this website.

Arboriginal

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 6:38 p.m.

80k under the mattress. That's something.

cinnabar7071

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:56 p.m.

"The mistake they made was going back." I can see why you couldn't help him, the mistake he made was stealing, going back was only icing on the cake.

YpsiGirl4Ever

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 4:53 a.m.

"He who is without sin, cast the FIRST stone", said the Lord. If these young men as CONVICTED they'll likely be in prison for sometime to come. Meanwhile, MATT please do not make yourself out to be perfect. Shooting at individuals where people can be killed is just as much of a sin as lying in God's eyes. And if you say you've never told a lie, that would immediately reject YOU from casting a STONE.

beardown

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 4:41 a.m.

"he is a good kid who made a HORRIBLE choice." A choice. A choice that has repercussions. Whether or not he had a criminal record prior to firing a weapon at someone does not matter.

matt1027

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 4:33 a.m.

Shooting a house you tried to rob (regardless of the occupant) and then shooting at cops isn't something a good person does. Sorry, it's not an accident or even a poor decision, it's a situation only a degenerate criminal would even be in the position to make. He was failed by his family, and he failed himself in a staggeringly colossal way. Pretty clear that no one here wants him back in society with decent people who work hard for their money (instead of stealing it from drug dealers). The fact that you qualify his behavior as ok because the person he was shooting at is also a criminal shows a great deal about your character.

YpsiGirl4Ever

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 3:46 a.m.

Ms. Reed, Thank you for providing a backstory. If what you say is true this will turnout to be a tragic story. I'm also am thankful no one was hurt as these young men fled into a community where children regularity play on the sidewalk and innocent drivers having nothing to do with this situation could have been hurt or worse killed, in addition to the Deputies. With such, I'm sure your family did what was possible to help your nephew but as you know associating with the wrong crowd can have consequences, sometimes life changing. Again thank you for your comment.

Nicholas Urfe

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 9:25 p.m.

I'd cry too if I was "accidently" apprehended and faced all those charges.

Nicholas Urfe

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 9:24 p.m.

What do you suppose comes from music that glorifies gangsta life and violence?

Jay Thomas

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 5:43 a.m.

@ffej440: Like lyrics that say, "let's go rob that fool..."

matt1027

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : midnight

I love rock and roll (and drugs and sex are pretty great too).

ffej440

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 9:50 p.m.

Like Heavy Metal and Satan or Rock N Roll with Drugs and Sex.

a2citizen

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 9:16 p.m.

In the photo in the accompanying the original article all of the people at the house were white. Being shot at is bad enough, but any word on if they were also subjected to ethnic intimidation?

matt1027

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 4:09 p.m.

No, Stacy didn't read the article, she's on here making excuses for her scumbag criminal family member. The fact that she is trying to excuse his behavior goes a long way to explaining why he ended up how he did.

a2citizen

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:07 p.m.

stacy, Did you even read the article?

Karen

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:24 p.m.

"I don't know if its the media influence, a dwindling general value of life or what.." No - it's the result of apologists blaming the media, society, rich people, not enough welfare, not enough subsidies, not enough free education...instead of blaming the three criminals who did this. Not content with trying to steal a motorcycle, the petulant thug comes back with a gun and two of his friends and tries to shoot the guy who was trying to protect his own property. Bet they are all taking full advantage of the free public education we are paying for...in between break-ins and murderous assaults.

John

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 11:10 p.m.

"shooting a fleeing thief in the back" Because shooting a fleeing thief in the back over stuff is totally different from a thief shooting YOU over stuff...right. I invite you to try and convince a judge/jury of that and see how far it gets you.

justcurious

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:39 p.m.

Don't forget the "poor choices" justification.

cinnabar7071

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:32 p.m.

These young men make a great self defense argument for shooting a fleeing thief in the back. We now have proof that just letting them run off is not a safe decision.

John Counts

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:22 p.m.

I've updated this story with additional information from the arraignments.

Anthony

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:19 p.m.

If you think they're dangerous now, just wait until the system is done "rehabilitating" them. Michigan is one of the few states that bears the distinction of spending more on incarceration than education.

Susan Ursus

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 11:48 p.m.

Come on now. Pursuing an education requires hard work, personal discipline, sacrifice, and an ability to delay gratification, none of which are found in your average criminal.

Jay Thomas

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 5:42 a.m.

Anthony, the thing is if we put a few more dollars in to change that spending relationship, I'm sure guys like this would still be doing what we see here. It's kind of a straw man argument.

Tim Hornton

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:45 a.m.

The MDOC spends millions on rehabilitating efforts every year and if you look at the failure rate of probation and parole you will find what a complete waste of money all that "treatment" is.

stevek

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:07 a.m.

Then maybe the system shouldn't try and "rehabilitate" them. That is the problem. Criminals know that they always get second, third, fourth chances. Lock them up for life and you won't have to worry about rehabilitating them.

John of Saline

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:16 p.m.

Interviewing the family members would have led to the standard "he's a good boy" - "just turning his life around" - "fell in with wrong crowd" - "cops set him up" quotes that are all-too-familiar.

wcchamp4

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 6:46 p.m.

don't forget that he was a boy who went to church too..... lol

Greg

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:03 p.m.

Guess I would like to know how you "accidentally fire rounds off at two deputies". Most of us do that and we would be in jail, not out on bond. Something doesn't add up here. Do they have help from somewhere we aren't being told about? These kids have been in the juvenile system before - I would bet money on it. Is there any way to find out what their records are? Well if you get old enough you stop being charged as a little kid and start doing time as a grown up, Quite a shock, but after so many years the rules change and it is no more poor kid messing up, but you are an adult criminal. That is the way we set it up and it comes as a real surprise to many when they get older.

kalamityjane

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:02 p.m.

Its a blessing no one was killed yet lives were still lost considering the convictions they're facing. Its really devastating and disappointing to keep seeing these young people take the wrong routes and in essence lose their lives so early. I don't know if its the media influence, a dwindling general value of life or what but its disappointing. Kids this age should be getting ready to go back to school and/or off to college, not prison. I'm sure all the perfect people will blame the parents but I don't fault them, we are each responsible for our own selves and choices.

Hot Sam

Mon, Aug 26, 2013 : 2:51 a.m.

Parent(s)???

Loving life

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 3:24 p.m.

I don't understand why people always want to blame the parents! Everyone has a heart and soul! What are you supposed to do when you tell your kids no and they do the completely opposite? Kids are taught that they have there rights and a spanking is considered child abuse. people seriously think they can tell there kids no and even explain the consequences to each incident and the kids are going to listen right away? all we can do is pray what we tell and teach them will be instilled within them. I just cannot see any parent telling there kids its ok to kill someone, it's ok to rob someone or anything that is absolutely wrong doing. The only thing us parents can do is teach our children. That doesn't mean the children are going to listen. They make there own choices. As a parent myself there hasn't been a day that I pray my child chooses wisely.

beardown

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 3:15 a.m.

This has nothing to do with the media or rap music or video games or whatever. It is a failure of the parents. Any child who thinks it is a good idea to point a gun at a person and (supposedly) accidentally fire it has been failed by his or her parents.

slave2work

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 9:36 p.m.

You are all making judgements on the parents. You have no idea what these kids home life was or is. They are old enough to make a choice and it was obviously a bad one..

cinnabar7071

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:26 p.m.

Jane your parents are the ones who teach you a moral base, and these parents failed I wonder if they even tried.

NWResident

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:26 p.m.

I think most parents understand the responsibility to instill in their children a basic set of values so they can contribute to their communities. Yes, these boys are responsible for their actions, but who had an opportunity to teach them the difference between right and wrong - their parents, guardians, and other adults they've interacted with. This has nothing to do with socio-economic status. I teach young adults at this age, and find that many are struggling in our society. But they still know enough not to threaten the lives of other people. I hope this message gets out loud and clear!

daywell

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:01 p.m.

They will be on the streets getting bigger and meaner and more dangerous...in no time!

Robert E.

Sun, Aug 25, 2013 : 11:41 a.m.

Really Matt...you actually WANT some teenage boys to try to break in your house so you can shoot them to death...you shouldnt even own a gun...

matt1027

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:05 a.m.

Hopefully it will be my house they come to next, I carry and they wouldn't be heading to court for the crime.

zucker

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 7:59 p.m.

The Brightest and Best!

treetowncartel

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 7:53 p.m.

Why no charge for the attempted home invasion that precipitated this next series of events?

lilmia

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 1:54 a.m.

john....not a home invasion if it's detached...b & e

John

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 11:13 p.m.

Is it technically a home invasion if it happens in a detached shed on the property? Honest question.

J. A. Pieper

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 7:48 p.m.

They will be back in the community in no time, so no one has to worry!

Youwhine

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:44 a.m.

Clearly ActionJackson is not familiar with Washtenaw County's justice system.

actionjackson

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 11:34 p.m.

Don't think that will be the case on firing on a deputy. Accidentally or not. Stolen gun, using stolen gun in a drive by, fleeing and eluding w/shot fired, plus a second attempt to steal a motorcycle. They aren't going to see any community except the big house and I don't mean the one in Ann Arbor.

jackdh

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 9:40 p.m.

Except the community.

justcurious

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 7:37 p.m.

"Ganter is accused of "accidentally" firing off a round at two deputies during a chase, police said." So, am I correct in understanding that he did not intentionally shoot at the officers who were chasing them?

Youwhine

Sat, Aug 24, 2013 : 12:43 a.m.

Too bad the deputies didn't "accidentally" shoot back.

justcurious

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:36 p.m.

Thanks John. Seems a little odd that the officer would offer that, but I guess he did.

cinnabar7071

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 8:15 p.m.

Just like he accidentally tried to steal a motorcycle, or shooting at 2 men. I'm guessing his defense might suggest he's accident prone.

John Counts

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 7:57 p.m.

During bond arguments, a police officer said that Ganter claimed he accidentally shot at the deputies.

klatte

Fri, Aug 23, 2013 : 7:45 p.m.

Or did the officer use air quotes while describing the incident?