Rich Rodriguez puts Saline-area home up for sale for a cool $1.9 million
Rich Rodriguez has put his home in York Township up for sale for $1,895,000.
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Rodriguez, fired as Michigan football coach in January, put the home up for sale July 1, the Daily reported.
It's a home for the well-heeled buyer with a taste for luxury. It features an in-ground pool and hot tub, a home theater and game room and an asking price of $1,895,000. It also boasts a "luxurious master wing with sitting room and private balcony (and) an exquisitely appointed bath that rivals any spa," according to the listing.
The 5,683-square-foot home in York Township, listed by JoAnn Barrett of Edward Surovell Realtors, was built in 2006 and has five bedrooms, five bathrooms and a three-car heated garage. It has an assessed value of $870,800, county records show.
Takers, anyone?
Comments
Jaxon5
Sat, Jul 9, 2011 : 1:39 a.m.
Needs a visit from Yard Crashers to fix that driveway - garden area. And needs some trees behind the house to add curb appeal.
John B.
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 9:09 p.m.
Just to beat the dead horse a bit (or clarify, depending on your viewpoint...): SEV (State Equalized Value) and Taxable Value are two different (but related) things. SEV is intended to be approximately one-half of current market value (although, as I've said elsewhere, local homes were selling for as much as triple the SEV during the bubble years, which was crazy). Property taxes are paid based on the taxable value, not the SEV. Taxable Value x millage = tax $$ owed. The taxable value is limited in increases by law, so it can be lower than SEV during times of rising values. "Assessment" commonly refers to twice taxable value. A million-Dollar home would have an SEV of $500,000 which these days might also equal the Taxable value (or very close to it). The home in question has a taxable value of $403,000 (and I'm betting an SEV near that, though I've not seen that number), and is therefore 'worth' about $800,000, but in reality it is only worth what someone will pay for it, which I will bet RAD (Real American Dollars) is less than that figure.
missionbrazil
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 9:09 p.m.
In whatshisname's mind, anything associated to him or his name has got to be worth far more than real market value ... after all, it was Rich Rodriguez's house. He stands a better chance of selling it if the perspective buyer is an MSU fan, or a fan of OSU, Wiscy,... he was extremely popular with them.
lugemachine
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 4:49 p.m.
Yeah, but you know what the kicker is? ..oh wait, there is no kicker.
concernedinsaline
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 2:26 p.m.
Dear Big Bros. from the Big House, So this is really any of your business? Real estate decisions should be a private matter. RR is gone. Get over it. By the way, for devildog and others, your new head coach lives......guess where?????
Wolf's Bane
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 12:20 p.m.
I really dislike poorly designed and built McMansions. Yuck. Suits Rich perfectly.
Denise
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 2:40 a.m.
Not sure what all the interest is about here. I wonder how many of you would like you personal lives critiqued and strangers delving into your finances. I am sure there is a whole lot of things that the general public has no knowledge of and it is his business and none of ours. Not sure why the story is even being posted on the website.
Terry Star21
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 7:32 p.m.
Seems your'e interested though - didn't pass it up, had to comment.....
Go Blue
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 1:54 a.m.
SEV and TV (equalized value and taxable value) represent half the state assessed value of a property and when doubled used to be the value of a home. And how will RR pay the shortfall - c'mon guys - he will do what he did at Michigan and that's to get his latest employer to cover it. Who didn't see that one coming?
Engineer
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:54 p.m.
That house is nice but not all that big for the coin RR pulls down. He got a sevarance of nearly the price of this house. Big time football is big time money these days. As for RR living in Saline who could blame him. Who wants their young children exposed to all the lefties in Ann Arbor. Saline is a much more rational right town.
clownfish
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 11:44 a.m.
Oct 2010 ANN ARBOR, Mich.—Enrollment on the University of Michigan Ann Arbor campus is at an all-time high in fall 2010 with 41,924 students, according to the U-M Office of the Registrar. Looks like about 40,000 people do want to expose their kids to the evils of leftism, unions and the pitfalls of a liberal education.
clownfish
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 11:39 a.m.
"Who wants their young children exposed to all the lefties in Ann Arbor" All of the people that send their kids to UM, including the ones coached by RR.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:30 p.m.
Funny!
Fredric
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:44 p.m.
For what's it's worth, Who really cares now! We did enough to this guy. He is gone. Is this really any of our business!! Don't think so. As some people say, Time to "GET OVER IT" It's DONE!!!
Ron Granger
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:32 p.m.
Wondering if this house will be more like the house in the Amityville Horror, or Poltergeist.
Terry Star21
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 7:27 p.m.
Good point....the new owners known by 'aren't you the neighbors in the fired michigan coaches house' ?
Hailmary
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:13 p.m.
TDW, I think many Michigan fans could care less about all this morbid facination with RR. People where I live ask me what's up with the Michigan fans and their facination about RR both for and against the man? I compare this facination on a scale equal to Casey Anthoney, some folks just love this kind of unsettling human behavior. I guess I do to cause I've followed the RR saga and the Casey Anthoney debacle. RR is gone yet the naysayers facination with the man is almost bizarre at times. I can understand the many folks that loved the guy but the ones that didn't like RR seem to be forever facinated with everthing the guy does or did almost like the facination with Elvis after almost half a century. They will tell you the facination is about the blunders and failures but it's almost like some Mich. fans are glued to his memory, thank god I can see this morbid facination for what it is, an obsession for the man regardless of the fact, RR is Gone.
John B.
Thu, Jul 7, 2011 : 1:05 a.m.
Do you perhaps mean "couldn't care less?"
1st Down
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 9:52 p.m.
ahh more AA censorship...the problem is that you dont have any idea what your own standards are, so you delete legitimate posts that you just disagree with... but that is journalism these days isnt it...
mohomed
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 12:56 a.m.
I agree, they change their "standards" often and are always slanted for people who agree on the side of their slanted "journalism".
tdw
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 9:34 p.m.
50 comments.I would like to know who's business is this other than RR's ?.For the record I could ( Ooops I couldn't ) care less about U of M football or the university for that matter
Terry Star21
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 7:24 p.m.
tdw, I agree with Sally and Veracity....I mean no offense however, but look at the last two articles about Michigan's former coach - the last one over a hundred responses, this one 86 and counting - nearly 4 times as many commenters. It's news, and if A2.com didn't report it - they wouldn't be doing their job.
Veracity
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 2:30 p.m.
So you accidentally landed on this news thread, decided to count the comments and then leave one yourself. Obviously, you couldn't care less!
Sallyxyz
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 3:44 a.m.
So why bother to comment?
applehazar
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:53 p.m.
Take a look at the closest neighbor - 274 Brittney Lane - house started 2004 - never finished - now on the market unfinished for $389,900. Location, Location, Location. How's that location working for you , Rich
f4phantomII
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:13 p.m.
Kick 'em when they're down. It's the Michigan Way.
John B.
Thu, Jul 7, 2011 : 1:04 a.m.
No one is 'kicking' anyone. If the name on this home/article were Mary Sue Coleman, or any other public figure of local interest for that matter, we would still be discussing the home's listing price vs. market value. I see nothing wrong with that.
clownfish
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:11 p.m.
Maybe an Ann Arbor teacher could buy this house, they are in the same pay category of "overpaid government employee", right? What is wrong with this picture? A football coach, a failed football coach at that, gets to live in absolute splendor while people that actually make things struggle to pay mortgages on basic housing. The guy "produced" about 36 hours of entertainment a year. That comes out to roughly $70,000/hr paid for by the MI fan/taxpayer. Does anybody know the psychology behind this countries desire to reward entertainment above education and production?
Terry Star21
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:19 p.m.
Ouch Clownfish that hurt me.....now if you would have said Ann Arbor Administrators - you are my best buddy !
heartbreakM
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:57 p.m.
Like it or not, it's what the market bears. I personally think all of these coaches are overpaid, especially in the scheme of university pay and continuing budget woes. (I know, UM athletics is separate, but it is not like that at most universities). Still, UM did what the market dictated it should by paying what they did (in this case, overpaying) . And the former coach did what most people did who make that kind of salary with assumption of job security--bought a big house that he could live in for decades. Can't fault him for that. Not his fault that housing market fell.
bluemax79
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:06 p.m.
ALMOST THERE???? worst Defense statistically in the HISTORY of M football and you come on here saying we were almost there. that scheme would never have worked in the Big Ten, the offense was OK against the poor teams but was based on trickery and not toughness. that plus a coach who was more interested in his image than the tradition of M football. almost there, get real.
Terry Star21
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:18 p.m.
Thanks John...bluemax79 buddy, I am with you....it was sarcasm, I am just so sick of once a month him telling the media 'we were almost there'....
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 9:29 p.m.
I believe it was sarcasm on TS 21's part....
OLDTIMER3
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:50 p.m.
All the negative comments about RR are not necessary and I don't think it is anybodies business what he paid for the house. Most of you are just jealous of him and his family. I didn't care for his coaching but I'm not going to bad mouth him.
Terry Star21
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:30 p.m.
Okay oldtimer - you had me at 'not necessary', but oops, then you lost me at 'jealous' !
jcj
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:06 p.m.
Oldtimer if you would be so kind as to give your address we will tell you what your home is worth.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:58 p.m.
Anyone that has attended UM football games helped pay for his home. His home's purchase price (or yours, or mine, for that matter) is a matter of public record. Ditto the asking price for his now.
81wolverine
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:25 p.m.
Regardless of who owns(ed) it, houses like this took the biggest hit in value loss during the last 3 years. Huge McMansions like his house were in arguably the biggest category of overbuilt real estate in America. If you've been to most of the builder's showcase tours over the last 10 years in this area, you've seen lots of absurdly big and lavish houses like this one and even bigger. It will be tough to get anything close to that price is my guess. The few buyers out there looking for a house of this size & price range can easily shop around and play sellers off each other to score a great deal. RR will be wise if he cuts his losses right now and uses his buyout money to get out from under this house.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:50 p.m.
Correct! The only way builders could get more money was to build ever-more square feet per home (and to try and sell more 'upgrades'). These high-end homes dropped in value sooner than the more sensible homes did, and typically dropped further in terms of percentage. That house is worth perhaps one-third to one-half of what he is asking. What a bizarre listing....
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:19 p.m.
Not that any of this matters, but unfortunately he appears to have paid almost double what the home was worth in 2008. I guess he wanted a big mortgage deduction? Sure wish I had been the guy to sell it to him at that price, at that time! Since then, values have declined further (the housing value peak was in 2006). He will be lucky to get less than one-half of what he is asking, in today's market: Property Information for 293 Brittany Ln Property Features Financial History Single Family Residence County: Washtenaw Source: Public Records Last sold on 4/23/2008 Last assessed at $404,500 on 2009 Previous sales $1,500,000 on 4/23/2008 Previous assessments $404,500 on 2009 $404,500 on 2008 $557,500 on 2007
John B.
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 8:57 p.m.
Sam: Yes and no. SEV (State Equalized Value) and Taxable Value are two different (but related) things. SEV is intended to be approximately one-half of current market value (although, as I've said elsewhere, local homes were selling for as much as triple the SEV during the bubble years, which was crazy). Property taxes are paid based on the taxable value, not the SEV. Taxable Value x millage = tax $$ owed. The taxable value is limited in increases by law, so it can be lower than SEV during times of rising values. "Assessment" commonly refers to twice taxable value. A million-Dollar home would have an SEV of $500,000 which these days might also equal the Taxable value (or very close to it). The home in question has a taxable value of $403,000 (and I'm betting an SEV near that, though I've not seen that number), and is therefore 'worth' about $800,000, but in reality is only worth what someone will pay for it, which I will bet is less than that figure.
Hot Sam
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 3:29 p.m.
An "assessment" in tax roles is 50% of estimated market value...
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:26 p.m.
My local home is currently worth right about twice the SEV, which is the whole intent of SEV (to be approx. half of market value). I could perhaps get a bit more than that if I spruced it up a bit, but I could probably sell it in a month or two for 2x SEV (which at the moment is the same as 2x taxable value). As I've stated elsewhere, 2x current SEV is about the year 2000 level, value-wise (which sucks, since I've made significant improvements on my home since then, but c'est la vie).
heartbreakM
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 9:58 p.m.
In my county (not in Michigan), assessments have nothing to do with what the houses actually sell for. If the assessments came close to selling price, all residents of the county would actually owe double the taxes. For a typical million dollar house (as sold on the market), the assessment is usually about 550,000. For a typical 450,000 house (again on the market), the assessment comes in at about 280,000. <a href="http://www.annarbor.com/news/rich-rodriguez-puts-home-in-saline-up-for-sale-for-a-cool-19-million/#">http://www.annarbor.com/news/rich-rodriguez-puts-home-in-saline-up-for-sale-for-a-cool-19-million/#</a> That's been my personal experience. I don't know how assessments are done, but where I live, they are not tightly tied together.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 9:26 p.m.
Huh? Please do some research as to what homes in this local market are currently selling for vs. SEV (and where they have been historically). Home prices are seriously depressed, especially in the high-end sector. Listing prices mean nothing. I know what my own home is realistically worth, and it is about where it was in 2000.
heartbreakM
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:59 p.m.
Assessments are rarely based on what houses could actually fetch on the open market. I think that's something to consider.
Sallyxyz
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:11 p.m.
It may be listed for sale for 1.9 mil, but check out zillow dot com and see that this property at 293 Brittany Lane in Saline is currently valued at $572,500. Good luck with that selling price! I bet they get $500,000 tops. The property was last sold on 4/23/2008 for $1.5 mil, way overpriced, to say the least. It's a 5,683 sq ft behemoth. Who needs a house with 5 bathrooms? The 2010 tax assessment value was $403,200. The value of this home when purchased in April 2008 was around $700,000 according to zillow and the tax value in 2008 was $557,500, which represented a 10% drop from the previous year. If RR purchased this home in 4/08 for $1.5 mil, then he overpaid dramatically. Not surprising that the house is listed for sale at an exorbitant price, way way over the actual value.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:19 p.m.
Zillow can usually only go by square footage, combined with recent comparable sales in the area, so since there are not many comparable sales these days (because there aren't many sales, period, especially in the higher-end of the price range), zillow's numbers will bounce around a bit in the short-term. However, I have found them to be well within the ballpark in most cases (maybe +/- 10%), assuming a property is in good, saleable condition. My folks recently sold their rather nice condo. for within $5000 of the zillow estimate, for example. Any property is only worth what someone else will pay for it, of course, and right now, buyers hold all of the cards. I'm sorry, but that house on Brittany Lane is not going to sell for even half of the asking price in the foreseeable future.
Buster W.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:53 p.m.
Zillow.com is mostly inaccurate. Two months ago, my home value increased 20% to 2003 and since retreated back 15-20% for what I consider to be a more accurate value estimate.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:43 p.m.
Houses in this area are currently selling for about what they did in 1999-2000! In some cases, it is even less than that, especially in the top end of the market. Twice SEV is a pretty good market price indicator, these days (it was about triple at one point, which was a big part of the problem). If someone is dumb enough to pay a Mil. for that house, fine, more power to them, but they would be extremely foolish to do so.
A2comments
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:23 p.m.
Zillow's valuations are many times not accurate. I'd agree that a house bought in March '08 wouldn't sell for more than they paid for it, unless they made improvements worth that much (which I doubt). More likely he'll get around $1 - 1.2 million.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:23 p.m.
In certain circles, it is apparently 'cool' to have a $1 Million mortgage. I think it is probably worth more than $500K (perhaps $600-700K), but I agree with your calculations and comments otherwise.
MjC
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 5:26 p.m.
As we sometimes chant in the Big House... "WHO CARES?"
Terry Star21
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:26 p.m.
Ok MjC, that was a good one !
devildog
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 5:05 p.m.
Well what more do we need to know about this character. He did not even buy a house near campus or field, he did not buy in Ann Arbor - enough said Goodbye and good luck
heartbreakM
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10 p.m.
Sorry if I underestimated. I looked at the distance from I-94 and estimated. But the fact is, he was not living in Brighton and coaching at UM (and even if he was, so what?) The notion that the coach must live on campus is laughable. How many deans and university administrators do?
Buster W.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:11 p.m.
Glynda 8.94 miles is the shortest distance from his house to Michigan Union (basically, main campus)...even less to Schembechler Hall.
Buster W.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:08 p.m.
John B. I agree it's probably not worth $1M. Conservatively, all I was doing was placing a hypothetical bid slightly over the assessed value.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:25 p.m.
It's not even worth $1 Million, though. Maybe $650K....
Buster W.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 5:35 p.m.
Does everyone need to live in the same city where they work? Unrelated: Think about this...would RR honestly deny a $1M offer for this house right now, when it's assessed value is only $870.8K?
glynda
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 5:27 p.m.
@heartbreakM - um, it's actually over 12 miles from campus.
heartbreakM
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 5:15 p.m.
The house is 2 miles from campus. I have no problem with that. Comment about the size of house by jhammer above is interesting, but he came to A2 figuring that he'd have success (which given 40 years prior to his arrival he had every right to assume), so you can't criticize him for that. I actually think the house is very attractive, but are homes in Michigan even getting close to that dollar value in this economy? Re-selling such a home is very difficult.
jhammer
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 5:02 p.m.
No offense to any college football coach... but why would any of them ever buy a house like this? The average coach does not have a long job lifespan. But I think this house defines RichRod to perfection. Acting like he owned the place, doing things poorly yet over the top, facade over results.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 9:20 p.m.
His net worth may be small, due to too many liabilities. He has real-estate-investment-related lawsuits still pending in both FL and W VA, last I heard, plus he appears to be upside-down on at least a couple pricey homes. I hope he has managed his money better than it appears (from what little we know). Homes are not investments. That era is over. They are places to live that can go down or up in value, and may not go up in value anytime soon.
asdf
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:20 p.m.
When you make over 2 million a year, you can make that kind of investment. Until recently, housing always was a good investment as value always went up. Most homeowners have a large percentage of their net worth invested in a home, I would guess he has a smaller percentage of his net worth in that house that most people.
truebluefan
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 4:45 p.m.
I wonder what Rich paid for the house. If the current assessed value is $870,800, and knowing that housing prices have dropped a little since 2008, I am guessing he paid in the $1M to $1.2M range. I hope he gets asking price, or close to it.
John B.
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 8:36 p.m.
The 2010 tax assessment value was $403,200. Multiply that by two, and you have an approximate market value of $806,000 (although SEV is generally a better indicator, assessments and SEVs are equivalent in many cases curently - mine are...). In my humble opinion, $806K is high in today's local market.
Terry Star21
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 7:17 p.m.
trueblue...believe me, if it was a County assessment as Cindy says, that $870,000.00 is accessed at half of the value they believe - that is what the tax assessors do !
truebluefan
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 1:07 a.m.
John B. -- Cindy shows an $870K assessed value in her column. Who is correct, you or Cindy?
Ed Kimball
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:28 p.m.
I happen to know that he added the pool and a lot of landscaping. I use the same landscape firm and they kept putting off my little job to do work at RichRod's.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:09 p.m.
The $870K is already double the assessment. The assessment is about $435K.
Terry Star21
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:13 p.m.
truebluefan.....remember the Counties assessment for taxing purposes is 50% of value - double that $870,000. for a market value.
John B.
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:29 p.m.
Housing prices have dropped way more than 'a little' since early 2008. If you think he paid $1 M (he actually paid $1.5 M, which was silly), and values have decreased, why would you think he would now get significantly more than what he paid? That is interesting logic indeed!
Kristina Birk
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 6:34 p.m.
Property Information for 293 Brittany Ln Property Features Financial History Single Family Residence County: Washtenaw Source: Public Records Last sold on 4/23/2008 Last assessed at $404,500 on 2009 Previous sales $1,500,000 on 4/23/2008 Previous assessments $404,500 on 2009 $404,500 on 2008 $557,500 on 2007
Hailmary
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 4:26 p.m.
Well, we taught ol Rich Rodriguez a thing or two. That ol boy won't mess with folks from Ann Arbor. We tared and feathered him pretty good and ran him out of town and just for extra measure his family to, Ya Hoo!
RTFM
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 4:19 p.m.
Wow! After U of M bent over backwards for Rich, you mean he had to pay for his own residence. I learned that U of M had at least some restraint at throwing money at the guy. I absolutely love the nice proximity to the prison.
MyOpinion
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 4:10 p.m.
Only thing of interest in the public records is that he's taking a 100% principal residence exemption. Record is in Rita's name; maybe he has the W. Va residence in his name.
Terry Star21
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 4:02 p.m.
I wonder if he told friends he was almost there in paying off the mortgage, made a lot of positive moves, sacrifices but just needed a little more time - we were almost there !
Terry Star21
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:24 p.m.
Thanks ERMG, I did not see a post by you - you did not get deleted did you ? I for one do actually enjoy you - you are a good read !
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 7:08 p.m.
Pretty funny, TS!! Good Night and Good Luck
EightySeven
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 3:31 p.m.
How about a little digging by A2.com. I'm pretty sure his house in W.V. is still up for sale. Lets say that is the case, so with that house and this one those are some pretty steep payments. Plus his current house down in Florida that is a lot of money going out each month.
lumberg48108
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 4:26 p.m.
@87 you think a person who is leaving the area and selling his home due to a job change requires "digging" to get more? this barely qualifies as news as it is ...
smokeblwr
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 3:54 p.m.
Why would that be relevant? He is no longer the UM coach, the article is about an house for sale of interest locally. Let him blow his own monies the way he wants. Unless you mean you could use this information as leverage to stick it to him with your offer? I guess then you might want to know.
Tom Joad
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 3:23 p.m.
That shack isn't worth more than 500,000. Saline isn't Palo Alto
FredMax
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:58 p.m.
Obviously you know nothing about Palo Alto either: <a href="http://www.trulia.com/property/3056064548-558-Madison-Way-Palo-Alto-CA-94303" rel='nofollow'>http://www.trulia.com/property/3056064548-558-Madison-Way-Palo-Alto-CA-94303</a>
golfer
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 3:14 p.m.
might want to check with tressler to see if he wants to move to michigan. we might have a freshman football opening. oops gee that is all we have for freshman is football. he would fit in
Rod Johnson
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 5:48 p.m.
*crickets*
smokeblwr
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 3:18 p.m.
I'm not sure if I get the joke.