Michigan teachers union backs Ann Arbor rally to protest Rick Snyder's U-M commencement speech

thorj97

Fri, Apr 29, 2011 : 10:36 a.m.

Agree with Snyder or not, this effort will fail to deliver the message the protesters hope. Many of those who might dislike his policies are not going to turn away (for all the reasons stated here: they want the day to be about their graduation, they think its too disrespectful, etc.). By contrast, none of those who agree with Snyder are going to turn their backs. Keep in mind that the student population is already viewed as more liberal than most of society. In the end, Rick will see 5 to 10 percent of the crowd turning, apparently confirming that only a small minority of the most liberal segment of society strongly oppose his cuts to education. This undermines the message protesters are trying to send. These kind of demonstrations are a double-edged sword, and you need to be confident of the result before trying it. We will see tomorrow, maybe it will be 70% of the crowd, which would change his thinking. But I seriously doubt it. You have likely undermined your cause.

dlb

Fri, Apr 29, 2011 : 1:44 p.m.

I think that the commencement ceremony is a perfect place to protest. However, I would have preferred a more subtle protest, like armbands or something, that would be less disruptive to the nonpolitical members of the audience. That would have seen a higher participation rate. I agree with you hat unless we get a high rate of participation Snyder will take it as affirmation of his pro-corporation/stick it to everyone else approach.

G

Thu, Apr 28, 2011 : 5:20 a.m.

Like it or not, there are appropriate and effective times for a protest, but a college graduation ceremony is not one of them. The people who put together the Rally at Pioneer High school went through the effort to make an event for the express purpose of exercising the right of free speech for those who want to protest Snyder. Good for them. You "other groups" advocating turning your back on the speaker at the graduation ceremony: This is a graduation ceremony... the culmination of a prodigous effort on the part of the students (after the assumption of a great deal of debt for most of them). The speaker has been honored with the responsibility to address his comments to their accomplishment and their future--not to his own aggrandizement. He is an accomplished businessman, highly educated, and managed to win the run for Governor of this State. He might have something valuable to offer. Kiddies... before you turn your backs upon the speaker, why don't you listen to what he has to say? Someday some of you might be in the position to choose just such a speaker for another event, but right now, trust that those who arranged this speaker for you might have done so with your best interests in mind. If you really want a public forum for a protest, get up early and go to the rally at Pioneer High School.

dlb

Fri, Apr 29, 2011 : 1:49 p.m.

Snyder is a successful business man who wonderfully demonstrates how one can buy their way into office. He is also showing how poorly the role of corporate head translates to elected postitions. Heads of corporationa are allowed to be dictators, our elected officials are supposed to acknowledge that we live in a democracy (maybe that is just my idealistic liberal thinking).

Speechless

Thu, Apr 28, 2011 : 12:08 a.m.

Given that Snyder' administration and our state legislature -- dominated by a drooling, ignorant far right -- fully intend to cut off public unions at the knees, the MEA's involvement in Saturday's protest at the graduation is only all too reasonable. It's but one small, tepid, measured reaction to the virulent class warfare now being conducted in Lansing. On scale with current legislative and budget actions being led by the GOP and conservative Dems, a statewide labor insurrection would offer a more appropriate response.

a2momX3

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 8:30 p.m.

I want to know who is payinhg for the use of Pioneer Stadium that morning. The MEA? The AAPS? There's another good use of our hard earned tax dollars. The MEA and the AAPS say they want to 'keep the money in the classroom', but this is yet another example of spending where they want, and claiming at the same time 'it's all about the children'.

Billy Buchanan

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 3:14 p.m.

Governor Snyder has only been in office a few months. To be treated the way some are suggestion is reprehensible. All I have to know for me to support his efforts is to know the ones that are planning this protest. The Michigan Teacheers Union and the "We Are The People" coalition at the University Of Michigan.

jasna

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 3:04 p.m.

yeah, well I think grades could be thought of as money. With that in mind, I would support any and all students who want to protest how their teacher gives out grades by them all turning their backs on their teacher whenever they are in the classroom... seriously, grow up.

redstate

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 2:38 p.m.

My daughter will be graduating on Sat. We have family coming in from all areas of the country for this event. That others plan to disrupt our day makes me angry. I want to hear what Snyder has to say. Liberals only like free speech when its speech they agree with. If you have a beef with the current government you have the means to change it. Work to get others elected who support your positions. Elections have consequences. She called me in tears when Obama won. I told her we survived Clinton for 8 years-we can survive this leftist for 4.

dexterreader

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 1:33 p.m.

I am the parent of a graduating senior AND an MEA member. I guess that puts me in a tough situation. I will definitely be in the audience to watch my son graduate, but I will not be among the protesters. While I can appreciate the MEA "seizing" this opportunity, and while I am opposed to the governor's proposed K-12 funding cuts, I am somewhat saddened that my son's special day will be tainted by "politics". Graduation day should be a family day reserved for celebrating a special event in a young person's life. UM had to know this would generate lots of controversy and attention. I almost wonder if perhaps, that was the ulterior motive??

Lac Court Orilles

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 12:56 p.m.

I overwhelmingly support the reasons for having a protest against Snyder. He has basically declared WAR on public schools and their teachers. I'm not sure why Snyder is declaring war on the educational community; it must be some form of deep hatred or something. Anything he can do to bring harm to teachers and students he will do without even the slightest of emotion. The educational preparation to become a teacher has gone up to the point where it isn't financially or emotionally worth the effort. Universities are adding more and more hours to teaching degrees in order to guarantee job security for professors. There are so many hurdles and certificates (basically taxes) that one must pay in order to earn/purchase a teaching certificate. There is a "lengthy" non paid student teaching requirement that few professions require. (Most professions pay at least a reduced amount during on the job training, but not teaching it's done for free!) Once a teacher begins their "high stress" career it's at the lowest salary rate of any professional. The amount of paperwork done "after" work hours is mind boggling. If a teacher leaves right at contractual time, they take home six hours of work every evening. Most teachers put in another 8 hours for free on weekends just to keep up. Most teachers I know take university classes in the summer and spend major blocks of time preparing for the fall. There are so few rewards that one receives who enters the teaching profession; it's just not worth it! The smarter college students avoid a teaching career and study computer science, medicine, engineering, or business where at least the financial rewards pay for the added stress. With all this being said, Rick Snyder wants to GET TOUGH with teachers. I sincerely hope that he will be a one term Governor and any State Representative or State Senator who votes for Snyder's GET TOUGH with teachers initiatives are also one term politicians.

bluemax79

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 12:45 p.m.

the PEOPLE of Michigan spoke in November NO MORE overspending, the teachers union is the big bully in the room. always getting their way. Teachers have better health care and benefits than any private sector industry. they are alos some of the highest paid teachers in the country and most of our schools are underperforming. we need to get rid of the teachers union or our state will continue to die.

dlb

Fri, Apr 29, 2011 : 4:24 p.m.

So how is it that teacher unions are such a bully? There have not been any teacher strikes in the state for at least 10-15 years! What power are they using to do all this supposed bullying? Unions have been giving concessions on contracts for the past 10 years at least. Any contracts we have were agreed to by the districts.

Booradley

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 11:28 a.m.

So where were these protesting teachers when tax and spend, spend, politicians like Obama and Granholm showed up to speak? These are the people that got our state into this ugly mess and Snyder (who is not a career politician) is now trying to fix. Unions have become nothing but money laundering organizations.

Victor Lacca

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 11:21 a.m.

Snyder is doing what he can with scarce rresources. Political entities like the MEA are doing what they can to agitate in hopes that public dischord will deflect cuts from their contituents.

snapshot

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 8:20 a.m.

He was ELECTED governor. He IS Governor. Show some respect.

Marmot

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 3:57 a.m.

It is sad that the MEA would use students to further their agenda. I don't care what it's about. It is despicable.

MM10

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 2:12 a.m.

I graduated last year and having to walk past anti-abortion protesters in order to go to my commencement was a real slap in the face to me and to my family (who had difficulty hearing parts of the ceremony because the protesters outside were screaming), and this is no different. It's a graduation ceremony, not a legislative action. Bringing partisan anger into a graduate's special day is incredibly inconsiderate, regardless of their stance. This Saturday is not about Snyder, it's about the graduates.

tracyann

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 2:13 p.m.

I guess it's easier to be opportunistic and use this day instead of traveling to Lansing to protest.

Barry

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 9:40 p.m.

Curious why the tag on this story is "Horse fly".

cinnabar7071

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 9:30 p.m.

We as a nation spend more then any other county in the world on education, yet in testing 9th is the best we can get! So spending more money isn't going to fix a thing.

treetowncartel

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:59 p.m.

So, you can protest Obama at U of M, but you can't protest Snyder? i wonder what Snyder and his entourage will order from Zingerman's?

Momma G

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:54 p.m.

I have to agree with Javajolt1. Let's give Rick Snyder a chance. I will be hurt, as all of us, by his wanting to tax my pension, but if he can turn this state around, then let's give him a chance. The teacher's union needs to back off. They are the only people who are protected for life by their "tenure" contracts and it has to STOP NOW!

macaroniman

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:43 p.m.

And please don't accuse me of whining when I say this, because I'm really not, but teachers do work very hard. Everyone has an anecdote of a bad teacher, or an unresponsive administrator. However, everyone also has an anecdote of the teacher that stays after school for hours to help their kids succeed. Everyone has an anecdote of teachers making a difference in the lives of children. Not to mention, there are plenty of highly successful, productive, and fiscally responsible districts in the area. Why starve schools and systems that have 90%+ graduation rates and are working already to reform? I have watched reforms that were underway the last few years come to a halt because of these budget cuts. I understand people's frustrations. But I also think the blaming that is happening is misguided. I think that the Governor, and our current legislators in Lansing and in Washington, are taking advantage of everyone. They will continue to watch us crash back and forth between supporting the two party system, and nothing will get done.

macaroniman

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:42 p.m.

Michigan needs to be reinvented, yes. However, starving the public education system is not the answer. If people really want it to change, there needs to be cooperation, not condemnation. It's disappointing. I support the rally. I think it's the right thing to do. Especially since the graduates walking on Saturday have had their education subsidized by public dollars and since most of them are products of the public school system in America. Current and future students and UofM and around Michigan are counting on the public to demand that their futures not be slashed up by these gutless politicians. Those who are walking, and their parents, should recognize the contributions of teachers and public dollars by empathizing with the people at the rally. The comments accusing the MEA of being misguided might be true. But the teachers and the public workers that will show up, not the mention the other citizens who simply disagree with Snyder's policies, are working to make things better for the current and future students of UofM and of Michigan.

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:39 p.m.

I am struck by the number of posters who have, apparently, switched their points of view over the past year. Barely 12 months ago many f the very same people who felt it their patriotic duty to protest the president's appearance at graduation now find it "rude" and unacceptable that someone might want to protest the governor's participation in the event. And many who opposed the protests of President Obama's appearance as being rude and disrespectful now justify such behavior toward Governor Snyder as serving true democracy. I can only conclude that, when it comes to hypocrisy, both left and right are up to their eyeballs in it. Good Night and Good Luck

JSA

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 2:01 p.m.

Ghost, got it in one. I don't know what it is about politics that make people ignore reality, be it on the left or the right.It's always the other person who is a hypocrite.

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 12:33 p.m.

Oh, good grief. A generic comment about the "right" and the post gets cut by the censors? OK, I'll try to be polite. Realizing that the so-called "right" is the most erudite and literate element of our society, some of them apparently cannot read the written word. I REPEAT: "I can only conclude that, when it comes to hypocrisy, both left and right are up to their eyeballs in it." Good Night and Good Luck

Marshall Applewhite

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 4:18 a.m.

Ed's Ghost, I suggest you read your own post more carefully. Guide42 was dead on.

a2citizen

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 12:52 a.m.

Isn't it possible that the same people who protested against what's his name are the same people who are going to protest against what's his name?

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 9:08 p.m.

Oh, and one other thing. NOWHERE did I mention the Tea Party. NOWHERE. Now I'm pretty certain thou doth protest too much. Good Night and Good Luck

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 9:02 p.m.

Guide42: And I suggest you read my post more carefully. It is EXACTLY my point that the hypocrisy goes both ways. Me thinks thou doth protest too much. Good Night and Good Luck

guide42

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:53 p.m.

If you are insinuating that the tea party people are being hypocritical I suggest you rethink your statement. I remember very clearly that an article was posted about protests for last year's commencement with the president. In that article, an Ann Arbor tea party member was written as saying that they would not be endorsing any protest at the commencement ceremony. In fact, I found that article in the archives: <a href="http://www.annarbor.com/news/opinions-to-abound-in-ann-arbor-before-obamas-commencement-speech/">http://www.annarbor.com/news/opinions-to-abound-in-ann-arbor-before-obamas-commencement-speech/</a> "Melinda Day, a graduate student at U-M who has helped organize Tea Party events, said the Ann Arbor Tea Party group won't be endorsing any protest or rally events the day of commencement." Yes, there were tea party people protesting last year, but there were also people from the socialist party and the dream act supporters. Next time I suggest painting with a larger brush, or asking why people who were against protesting at last year's ceremony are now all for protesting this year. The hypocrisy goes both ways.

Paul

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:28 p.m.

Nathan, Please write stories that are actually about news, not something that protects a particular political agenda. It makes it pretty clear where some people stand. Thanks

Mick52

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:23 p.m.

I think we all agree the state, all 50 of them perhaps, are suffering from critical fiscal problems. It frustrates me that so many groups, like teacher unions are fighting to keep making the problem worse rather than saying, "what can we do to help?" Isn't that what President Kennedy asked us to do?

godsbreath64

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:19 p.m.

The public at large is standing up to and removing someone electioneered last November who swore to uphold the constitution of sate and country but refusing to return such. This author is just padding his yellow resume' by this story's narrative that it is the Michigan Education Association, instead of the union of those standing up for the constitutional Michigan that Richard Dale Snyder targets which is tuyrning out Saturday. First The Washington Post, then this thread and -who knows- maybe the National Inquirer will lure this lad and his talents away, tomorrow?

maxima284

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:19 p.m.

Cinnabar, In regards to your comment of sending your kids to private school and then reply to Atticus F that "I'm really having trouble feeling bad for a bunch of rich kids getting their funding cut," isn't that comment meant for you? Don't you send your kids to private schools and pay extra money to fund their education? And I'm sorry to say that not every student who enters U-M is a "bunch of rich kids." Some students do get scholarships, who are not rich, and some are graduates who work full-time, who are not kids. So, you might want to re-think some of your comments. Just a thought.

a2citizen

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 12:51 a.m.

I know a lot of people who send their kids to private schools and are not rich. They just have a different set of priorities. When the choice is to drive used cars or park $750 a month worth of tuition in your driveway some people opt for the old, rusty Ford. When the choice is to spend 6-7 grand to go to Disneyland some people opt to spend a couple hundred, have as much or more fun, and keep the left over six grand for their kids education. Some private schools are for the rich....most others are affordable to people in the A2 area, depending on their priorities.

schultz2005

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:17 p.m.

NO, NO, NO ... Please leave Gov. Snyder alone. Let give him a chance to fix what Granholm messed up. If you all think you can do better, how come you all didn't run for governor. I expect to see 100 names running for governor for all those that are complaining. I am behind Snyder 100%.

macaroniman

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:38 p.m.

I don't understand how anyone can blame Granholm. What about the Wall Streeters who have held our politicians hostage for generations? They are the ones who have caused the current mess. Michigan has been in decline for decades. We have undesirable weather for many, and geography has less of an impact on industry than it used to. It's hard to place blame on any one person or politician.

Mick52

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:27 p.m.

I agree and your post reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Ben Franklin: "Any fool can condemn, criticize and complain. And most fools do." Isn't it odd that these folks complain, but never offer up any way to address Michigan's problems. I guess they just want taxes raised.

DonBee

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 7:58 p.m.

In Canada the name of the union would be: ME eh That is the way they seem to be acting. Union leadership is doing their members no favors. Instead of working with the political powers in Lansing to take what looks like a $500 million dollar increase in state revenue and put it to use in schools, they are instead looking to strike and protest. So good luck ME eh members. As to the protest, so long as it is peaceful, it has my support, anyone should be allow to express their opinion on any topic peacefully. To the graduates, Congratulations, sorry there are not more good jobs here for you.

Paul

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 7:55 p.m.

The MEA should have no input on this matter what so ever. They should be spending the money the teachers give them, by putting it back into the education system (Which for the record, the have never done), not into legal fees to get the Governor recalled.. The time for change is here. Nobody seems to comment that the president of the MEA makes double what the Governor does.

macjont

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:19 p.m.

Irrelevant! And the MEA is pursuing the right course.

Roadman

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 7:42 p.m.

I am appalled that the MEA would back up this idiotic conduct. The Governor deserves respect.

Victor Lacca

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 11:18 a.m.

The MEA is a political entity trying to deflect budget cuts to other sector any way it can.

godsbreath64

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 12:14 a.m.

Was that sarcasm, Roadman?

macjont

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:18 p.m.

When he earns it! And, so far, he is doing anything but.

tracyann

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 7:14 p.m.

One thing that makes this country great is the fact that we are able to protest against those things we feel are not right; however, there is a little concept called time and place and I don't think this is neither the time nor the place. Maybe it's because I'm one of the many students graduating on Saturday and I feel that this rally is going to turn commencement into a spectacle. I also do not care for Snyder or his policies, nor do I really want to hear what he has to say, but I worked hard for 4 years to get to this moment and I'm going to let one person spoil my day. What I do worry about though is a group of opportunists using someone else's moment to push their own agenda. Hmm...reminds me of Kanye! :) Maybe I'm being petty or making too much of it but I just wonder how the protesters would feel if the shoe was on the other foot? Granted, people protesting aren't going to keep me from graduating; it just seems disrespectful.

macaroniman

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:27 p.m.

Tracyann, While I sympathize with what you're saying, I think there are a few important things to point out: Public dollars, Michigan taxpayer dollars, that is, helped to subsidize your college education at UofM. You are lucky you are graduating this year, because with the cuts being proposed for colleges and universities across the state, tuition and fees will certainly be going up for those who follow you. Snyder's plan will make it harder for students to attend college in Michigan in the future. If you don't have student loans, consider yourself one of the lucky few. It's a bear to try to pay them back! Not to mention, I think we forget that, of the thousands of graduates walking this Saturday, the vast majority of them are products of the public education system in America. There is a lot of scorn and hate going around about the school system that is not deserved. Again, while I think your comments are well taken, I think that it was not a good decision by the University to stand by this invitation when Snyder is proposing that their budget be slashed. However, UofM has an endowment that rivals and dwarfs many private schools...if students and graduates wish for protesters to not show up in the future, maybe the University ought to simply forgo public funds and go private. Congratulations, by the way. I wish you the best of luck. I'm not being sarcastic either...I really mean it.

AA

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 7:09 p.m.

The coddeled are crying. Get over yourself and start bailing with the rest of us.

GoBlue1984

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 6:24 p.m.

Javajolt, you should read the news more... people are OUTRAGED by what Snyder has proposed. I personally have many friends who voted for him expecting him to be a moderate only now to feel completely duped by him! Dictator Snyder needs to know that what he is doing is wrong. U of M made a disastrous choice when they gave him a stage and the regents are responsible for what very well may ruin many graduates day of celebration. That's unfortunate, but the regents did have a choice. People will not sit silently while Dictator Snyder steals from poor and gives to the rich. Sorry, but we won't.

Garrett

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 5:32 p.m.

Stop complaining about ruining the lives of students.. blah blah blah... and their special day... blah blah blah.... It's a graduation ceremony, it's really not that big of a deal. Millions upon millions of people graduate college. Secondly, the commencement speaker is one, small part of the graduation ceremony. No one is ruining anything... except the fact that Snyder is ruining education. So go for it! I wish I could be there and I hope people in the stands turn their backs as well. And far from ruining the ceremony, you will see students standing up for what they believe is right! Which is far more important than anything Snyder has to say.

Marshall Applewhite

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 5:01 a.m.

Millions upon millions of people get married. I assume you don't believe that's a special day either?!?

Macabre Sunset

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 5:29 p.m.

This does illuminate exactly how much respect the teachers have for the children they claim they want to educate.

Victor Lacca

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 11:17 a.m.

Teachers love children- they just have an over riding interest in preserving everything they feel they are entitled to despite the looming budget cuts.

macjont

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:17 p.m.

Yes, and I believe it shows a great deal of respect. Teachers want the educational system that has sustained this area for so long maintained FOR THOSE CHILDREN and those to follow. Snyder will destroy it.

lynel

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 6:29 p.m.

What does??

chefbrian1

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 5:24 p.m.

Does anyone remember the people who brought guns to Obama events last summer or the people who spit on members of Congress and yelled racial epithet during the healthcare vote? I do. So, what we are talking about here are some students making a civil protest statement against a leader whose decisions they do not agree with. They will be using their last moments at college to make a protest statement. I say good for them. The sooner these students stand up and question their politician's decisions, I say the better. I thought the idea of college was to learn how to be a more independent critical thinker. I say more people in Michigan should turn their back to Snyder and recall him. Snyder has turned his back on us. Of course if you are the lucky few corporations and businesses getting some of his $1.7 billion state revenue gutting tax cut then he is your guy. We only need a little over 800,000 signatures to put a Sndyer recall on the Nov Ballet. The 157,000 members of the MEA would be a great start.

a2citizen

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 1:08 a.m.

Oh, and what was the name of the member of congress that was spit on?

a2citizen

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 12:44 a.m.

You remember the racial epithet? What was the racial epithet? And who said it?

RayA2

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 4:38 p.m.

Thank you We Are The People for organizing this rally. Slick has got to go.

JSA

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:59 p.m.

Welcome to Ann Arbor where political passion trumps reality every time. Anyone thinking the MEA is out for anyone but themselves is delusional. Not necessarily the teacher but the union leadership with the understanding that they, the leadership, don't care about anyone but themselves. The Democrats had 8 years and did nothing but spend the tobacco settlement and give is "cool cities" and a film program that paid people to make movies here. In other words, more bribes to the democrats who donate to democratic campaigns. The same goes for the unions. They give democratic politicans money for elections so everyone else gets tapped to supply that money. At this point I don't agree with everything the gov is trying but at least he is trying which is more than I could say for Jenny.

David Briegel

Thu, Apr 28, 2011 : 5:12 p.m.

JSA, Please just explain your support for bribery.

JSA

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:26 p.m.

Mr. Briegal, you reflect the true democrat. A tax cut as you call it is actually letting them keep more of their own money than letting Democrats waste it.By taking action against the public unions the taxpayers get to keep more of their money. You are always to partisan as to marginalize your opion. Yes some corporations give to the tea party. You want to explain Acorn or Move On? Stop being the pot calling the kettle black.

macjont

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:15 p.m.

Delusional!

David Briegel

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 5:08 p.m.

But giving tax cuts to corporations who fund the TeaPublicans is noble? Somehow different? Not a bribe? The height of delusional hipocrisy!

xmo

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:38 p.m.

So, the MEA says that it is not advising the students to disrespect Gov. Snyder but they want to OK from their members to perform an illegal act i.e.Strike. What a great organization representing the teachers of our children! Out of power liberals are funny, in power they are scary!

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 9:55 p.m.

"Basic hunan rights" and "law" frequently have nothing to do with each other. For example, it was legal to own slaves in the US until 1865. For example, it was legal to put Jews in concentration camps in Germany. See how that works? Good Night and Good Luck

Marshall Applewhite

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 4:58 a.m.

RayA2 It is illegal for public school teachers to strike. Therefore, It is not a basic fundamental human right. See how that works?

macjont

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:15 p.m.

Yes, and some people need to be scared! To all Liberals and Progressives: fight to regain power and this time use it!

RayA2

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 4:49 p.m.

As much as the Forbes 400 would have you believe otherwise, stricking and collective bargaining are as much as basic human right as is ownership. If we don't own the services we provide and control whether we deliver them or not, then what is ownership? Is it reserved for those who don't have to work for a living?

Top Cat

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:25 p.m.

What Mr. Snyder is trying to do, which his predecessor did not, is to create an environment in Michigan to grow real jobs so that college graduates don't have to leave after graduation to find work. And you know what, he just might pull it off. Let the Unions and their stooges yell all they want.

Garrett

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 5:34 p.m.

Snyder is not trying to create jobs! That is ludicrous! There is NO correlation between tax cuts and job growth. NONE! And actually, the reverse is true. It's a line being fed to you and you're just sopping it up.

RayA2

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 4:44 p.m.

To Cat, Unless you are in the Forbes 400, the unions represent your interests far better than Slick and his party. Destruction of unions, and their collective bargaining power, is one of Slick and his constituents' top priorities. I read recently that the majority of Americans are ignorant of the fact that the income and assets of the wealthy have grown so much more than everyone else. Rupert Murdoch has worked hard to make certain of that ignorance. I guess I'll count you in that category?

Mark Reed

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:55 p.m.

Please don't be so niave as to think we are going to create jobs unless they are low paying service jobs. The average college student will be making studet loan payments until they are well over 50 years old and if they stay in Michigan where we are taxed to death they are crazy ! Cut all school funding ! cut all Taxes! and keep on protesting !

Barking Bear

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:19 p.m.

I didn't know U of M had a graduating kindergarten class! Sounds kind of childish. Wrong time wrong place to protest. Invite the man to speak and then make jackasses of yourselves. Grow up, you have work to hard to reach a goal to ruin it for yourselves and others!

macjont

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:13 p.m.

And when and where is the right place to protest? Where the protesters will not be heard? You are the one who must grow up. First Amendment rights are being exercised here, something grownups understand and appreciate.

Moscow On The Huron

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 5:53 p.m.

I gather, then, that you are saying I would support any such protest against any left-winger or progressive at a commencement. Of course, this cannot be proven.

Audion Man

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 4:34 p.m.

I gather, then, that you would never support any such protest against any left-winger or progressive at a commencement. Of course, this cannot be proven...

Moscow On The Huron

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 4:12 p.m.

More than kind of childish.

alan

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:11 p.m.

I can't see how this interferes with anybody's big day. The university has a very long history of activism and civil disobedience. These kids are the brightest and most actively involved that this state has to offer and they have lived in Ann Arbor for at least 4 years. I think some parents may be upset but I think the kids welcome a public display of disagreement.

Mike

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 5:20 p.m.

I graduated from there and wouldn't want that at my graduation, anymore than I would want a load drunk sitting next to me while I tried to enjoy a dinner with my wife. Get real pal!

Basic Bob

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 5:37 p.m.

Civil disobedience would be to smoke a joint or take off your clothes. That's what Ann Arbor is known for, not blind partisanship.

Mark Reed

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:50 p.m.

If you were a true American and cared about Americans you would never drive a toyota and to simply say it starts is a cop out I know it and you know it. Your type of thinking destroyed Michigan and I hope your proud of that !

Stephen Landes

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:35 p.m.

The MEA and its local affiliate remind me of some the children teachers have in their classes: no matter what you ask of them they ignore you, think they know better, and just continue to "do their won thing". I suggest the MEA take note of what some of their members instruct children to do in class -- sit down, be quiet, and LISTEN. I have no problem with the MEA being opposed to Governor Snyder's policies, but I have a BIG problem with them turning a deaf ear to all the information around them that says we're on the wrong track in our schools. We know that we spend huge amounts of money per pupil. We know that academic performance is sliding (I know form personal experience with some of the "best and brightest" that even they have difficulty crafting a proper sentence). We hear from MESA that 50% of new teachers leave the profession within 5 years (that is a statistic that they proclaim in their radio advertising and is an absolute disgrace). From what I have seen the teaching profession is largely unchanged from what I experienced in my public school days 40 to 50 years ago. While new technology has entered the classroom it is largely, in my opinion, to automate some mundane tasks, show powerpoint slides instead of film strips, and a few allow students to do calculations with spread sheets instead of by hand (so that when the power goes out they are dad in the water). MEA should be spending its time and effort on a complete re-thinking of the teaching profession. Why do we spend so much money per pupil yet wind up with such mediocre results? Why are we turning out students who can't think through a problem without a calculator in their hands? Why do I hear teachers continue to talk about going home at night with arm-loads of papers to grade just as they have for 100 years? Why is the "classroom" structure and organization virtually unchanged from what I experienced as a child? What I believe is that the MEA stifles creativity a

macjont

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:11 p.m.

You are wrong! The evidence "all around us" suggests that Rick Snyder is leading us down the wrong track. Open your eyes!

javajolt1

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:35 p.m.

Atticus F. I think it is arrogant to assume just because you are OUTRAGED and yell louder than the rest, your position against Snyder's policies are shared by the vast majority of people. Recall this: There was a little election held in November and Virg lost by a huge margin. That's the same kind of event that gave Jennfer Granholm TWO terms to "blow us away". That's EIGHT years! We got blown away alright. Snyder has been in office five minutes and - yes - he has some pretty tough decisions to make that will not win him a lot of friends. I for one am happy the denial over this predicament is finally over and we have someone actually willing to make tough decisions. The last Governor was not getting the job done. Period. Yet what did she do during graduation ceremonies in 2009? She gave a speech that lauded a President that was in office himself for five minutes as she lobbied for a job in his administration. Now look at where we are. I don't like everything Snyder has done or plans to do.....but I'm going to actually give him a chance to turn this around. Granholm got a full EIGHT years!

javajolt1

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 9:30 p.m.

macjoint I didn't say, "....our right to exercise free speech depends on the vast majority of people agreeing with us". ...or anything like that. That was YOU. Not me. Don't worry. I understand "majority rule - minority rights...and all that poly-sci 101 stuff. My point was there are an awful lot of people posting from the position that it is forgone conclusion that Snyder's recall is imminent. It's not. We're in Ann Arbor, remember? There are 82 other counties out there. Collectively they voted for Snyder as Governor. To read some of these posts, you'd think there was some sort of titanic glitch with the election machinery. Most that voted for Snyder not only knew what he was going to be faced with when he took office......they also knew what he was GOING to HAVE to do.

Mick52

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:20 p.m.

Atticus, please explain how the Governor is putting money into the pockets of the most wealthy. My understanding is that the plan is to cut business taxes to stimulate more employment, not putting money in their pockets. Relaxing the business tax means they will pay less taxes, not get money. They keep their earnings. Also, if it is bad to "put money into the pockets of the most wealthy," are you then also opposed to the plan put in place by Governor Granholm, who agreed to actually pay film companies to make movies in Michigan? That actually is putting money in the pockets of the wealthy, so that is bad too, right? Many people state this, that the current Governor is giving money to the rich, but is it not really just taking less from them? Or taking less taxes from a company who now may move into Michigan with relaxed business taxes? Or do you think that is giving them money too? Please explain.

macjont

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:10 p.m.

When did our right to exercise free speech depend on the "vast majority of people" agreeing with us? You, my friend, better make another stab at the education you obviously missed.

Atticus F.

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:10 p.m.

Snyder is cutting education in order to put money into the pockets of the most wealthy people in the state. Even though he is an elected official, I strongly disagree with his pollicies. Also, from what I understand, the students are being encouraged to turn their backs on Snyder as he speaks. I hardly consider that to be Shouting loader than others...I consider it to be voicing ones oppinion in a peaceful manner.

Mark Reed

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:27 p.m.

The shame is the Union and U of M faculty do not deserve support and are partially to blame for their own demise. For years school teachers drove their Honda's and Toyota's to school never once supporting the working people in Michigan. Students drove Infinity's, Lexus and BMW's, You shopped at Wal*marts and Sam's club, Because of your own selfishness you put the Michigan Tax payers out of work. Drive through any campus and you will see 90 % imports. Your educated, what did everyone think was going to happen when the bread and butter of this state ( Automotive manufacturing )was forced to cut 50% OF THE HIGH PAYING JOBS ? Remeber the bumper sticker > Driving an Import ? out of work yet? It's not near as bad as it's going to be. AnnArbor and U of M will soon find out with more Federal and State cuts on the way, more foreclosed homes, no expendable incomes, no medical insurance to keep the big sponge financed, it has just begun. So welcome Mr. Snyder we deserve you !

A2comments

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 10:53 a.m.

a chance.

A2comments

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 10:53 a.m.

The American car companies were incapable of producing cars that were even remotely comparable to foreign models. I owned Chevy, Ford, Chrysler, Mazda, Nissan,... My 2006 Dodge Grand Caravan is VASTLY inferior to my 1998 Chrysler van. VASTLY. However, after Ford got new leadership and things changed, I bought a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid and found quality had vastly improved. The auto cos were poorly run. The unions helped cripple them. All well documented. Michigan has only Michigan to blame. I moved BACK to Michigan in 2007 after 23 yrs, and this state needs bigtime fixing. Let's give Snyder a chabcw

Mick52

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:13 p.m.

My wife's '94 Honda lasted 15 years, 30+ mpg with no problems. My '99 Monte Carlo has lots of broken plastic parts and accessories that do not work or work properly. It was made in Canada. People tend to purchase for quality and price, not for civic duty. The travesty of the auto industry in Michigan was from their own doing. Is it okay, Mark, to drive a VW made in Tennessee? Michigan was a finalist for that plant, but lost it because the workers in TN reject the unions. It would have been a start, but the Governor in 2006 did nothing to get that plant in Michigan.

macjont

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 8:08 p.m.

If teachers were paid enough to buy higher end American cars --- the only ones that might last as long as Hondas or Toyotas --- perhaps they would have purchased those American vehicles. 48 years ago I started out as a loyal American car buyer and driver, but a horrendous history lasting over a 6 year period left me with no choice but to try something else. I have been driving Hondas since the early 80s and I can't imagine what would induce me to change. American manufacturers have no one to blame but themselves for lost market share.

alan

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 5:23 p.m.

Not sure of your point Lenawee. Since 1990 Toyota has issued 864 recalls. Ford has issued 2,509 in the same period with a lot fewer cars sold. Chevrolet alone has issued 1,607 and all GM models combined push that to well over 3,000. Chrysler, with a small fraction of the sales has over 2,000 recalls.

lenawee2012

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:54 p.m.

Hey alan, Then why all the recalls for TOYota?

alan

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:12 p.m.

I drive a Toyota because it doesn't break.

BornNRaised

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:16 p.m.

If the majority of students don't want him there, he shouldn't be there. Period. This is a major milestone event in their lives. If they don't respect a man, that man shouldn't be allowed to speak at THEIR EVENT. There are the ignornant few that say, "He only has a small speaking roll, they should just suck it up." Well, to those arm chair quarterbacks: How about if at your wedding you were forced to allow someone you didn't want there to make a toast? I mean, it's only one toast. Should you be told to just 'suck it up' and sit there and respect that speaker? This is THEIR day. Not Snyders, not the protesters, not the bloggers that feel they have a right to determine what goes on. It's the student's day. If Snyder is so smug that he can't respect the wishes of the students, he deserves whatever comes his way.

Mike

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 5:17 p.m.

I wouldn't expect the students, who get their view of the world from reality TV and their news from Jon Stewart to have a well thought out opinion. They get talking points, not based in facts, fed to them and they just reiterate them. Their idealistic eyes will be opened once they leave mommy and daddy's house and realize how tough it is out there and how much of their paychecks will go to pay taxes.

a2citizen

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 12:36 a.m.

Where does the university get its money? Well, it gets $330 million in direct state appropriates. It gets $750 million in federal expenditures. That is 1.1 billion in public funding. Revenue from student tuition: $950 million. They need to quit whining about their already heavily subsidized public education.

ferdcom

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 10:12 p.m.

Petition signed by 4,553 people = majority of the students? If there less than 10,000 students at the university why does it need so much state funding?

maestra27

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 9:38 p.m.

@ ferdcom Please reference the online petition signed by 4,553 people affiliated with the University of Michigan. That's how we know. <a href="https://www.msa.umich.edu/upetition/p/ReconsiderRickSnyder/" rel='nofollow'>https://www.msa.umich.edu/upetition/p/ReconsiderRickSnyder/</a>

cinnabar7071

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 4:18 p.m.

BornNRaised I thought they were getting their money from the state, at least that what the protesters are wining about. Ignorance is bliss.

ferdcom

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:01 p.m.

So they MEA now represents the majority of the students? How does anyone know what they majority of the students want? How do you know?

BornNRaised

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:39 p.m.

The 'university' put it on? Where do you think the U get their money? From students. Ignorance is bliss.

grye

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:22 p.m.

Don't like the speaker, don't go. He was invited by the University. It is the University that puts on the graduation ceremony, not the students. The students are invited to attend if they have graduated. There is no comparison to a wedding. Get real. As I have said before, if you are unhappy about the choice, then this is a good life's lesson. You can't always get what you want unless you are in charge. The students are not in charge.

Atticus F.

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:07 p.m.

I think that to participate in this protest is among the most nobel things a person can (and should) do. To set aside ones personal interest for the greater good is something that should be admired.

Mike

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 5:12 p.m.

Too bad one of your family members isn't graduating so they could mess his/hers graduation up.

Victor Lacca

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 11:10 a.m.

What make you think that this protest would be for the public good? Have you ever thought that much of the protest is to preserve the entrenched position of powerful lobby groups?

Atticus F.

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 5:14 p.m.

I guess that should read noble, not nobel.

antikvetch

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 4:14 p.m.

Maybe we should give all these kids Nobel Peace Prizes before anything even happens, then....

grye

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:23 p.m.

If you want to participate at Pioneer, go ahead. It is your right. If you plan to make a scene at the graduation, nothing like demeaning yourself to make a point. Go ahead and show your IQ.

godsbreath64

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 1:57 p.m.

java, maybe you should put your pity for grads and their families to good use. Jolt Mary Sue Coleman and the board of directors (arguendo) for their horse-blinds in insisting to present not only this public sector virgin, but one crapping out his credibility so, but a fiorori that no one else was invited as with the heritage academic celebrations for dispensing diplomas in the past.

Ben Alfaro

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 1:46 p.m.

I'm all for this. I would encourage the protest to make it inside the stadium too. If this day is about the kids, then why even put this man on a pedestal when he's clearly committed to gauging higher education? I hope out of towners flood the streets, I hope Ann Arborites realize they voted for the wrong guy because he claimed A2 Hills and not because he was trying to further extend the wealth gap in our state.

Victor Lacca

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 11:09 a.m.

How would you create a budget that takes into account the huge reductions in revenue?

Snehal

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 1:45 p.m.

It is heartening to see students being advised to be respectful to a person who has insulted the whole middle class (soon to be poverty class) society thru his malicious and cruel policies.

skigrl50

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 1:43 p.m.

I think this is a slap in the face to all of the graduating UM students and their families. If you want to protest Gov Snyder do it in Lansing but don't try to ruin the hard work and proud moments of the graduates and their families.

deanbaker

Sun, May 1, 2011 : 8:01 p.m.

cinnabar 7071 I don't understand how you can argue that "the schools are so messed up I send my kid to a private school," and argue at the same time to cut cut cut until they can produce with what they have. So you expect public schools to get the same results as private schools with a fraction of the funding? How is that fair?

cinnabar7071

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 4:14 p.m.

lynel as it should be. The schools are so messed up I send my kid to a private school. CUT CUT CUT until they can produce with what they have.

lynel

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:58 p.m.

Cinnabar7071, You realize Snyder's cuts to education are at ALL levels?

Barb

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:18 p.m.

Not exactly - you don't recall the protest UM students created when it was announced that Snyder would be the speaker? I think it will be interesting to see how the students react.

cinnabar7071

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:18 p.m.

Atticus F. I'm really having trouble feeling bad for a bunch of rich kids getting their funding cut. Even with the cuts these kids will be very rich when they hit the job market, just look at Rick hes not hurting for money.

Atticus F.

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:09 p.m.

What Rick Snyder has done is a slap in the face to anybody who cares about education.

catfishrisin

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 1:39 p.m.

Do you think Rick is finally getting the message that his policies are wrong?

Mike

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 5:11 p.m.

Fiscal crisis = tough decisions. Obviously you couldn't have made those decisions and would just let the state go into receivership. We'll be better off taking small pain now then to continue down the Granholm path.

Victor Lacca

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 11:06 a.m.

If his policies are wrong- then what are the right policies? And remember you have to accomplish a balanced budget without the stimulus monies of the previous administration.

RayA2

Wed, Apr 27, 2011 : 2:15 a.m.

Slick doesn't take messages from anyone outside of the Forbes 400 or the republican leadership. The message will have to be served on him afer the recall vote. It will be loud and clear. GOODBYE SLICK!!!!

Moscow On The Huron

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 3:17 p.m.

Actually, he's smart enough to know this is an indication that he is on the right track. He knows how disconnected from reality Ann Arbor is.

cinnabar7071

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:13 p.m.

I know hes getting the message, I've emailed him several times telling him what a good job he is doing. Keep strong Rick we are behind you 100%.

ferdcom

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 2:01 p.m.

He's getting the message but the message is wrong.

javajolt1

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 1:37 p.m.

I feel sorry for those that planned a family gathering to celebrate a major milestone in their lives.

Michigan teachers union backs Ann Arbor rally to protest Rick Snyder's U-M commencement speech

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