Herman Cain addresses sexual harassment allegations during stop in Ypsilanti Township
Herman Cain addresses a crowd of several dozen supporters today at the Big Sky Diner in Ypsilanti Township.
Ryan J. Stanton | AnnArbor.com
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Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain was greeted with roaring cheers from a crowd of several dozen supporters today at the Big Sky Diner in Ypsilanti Township.
"You know, I thought I was just going to sit down with a couple of people and have some bacon and eggs — I'm glad you all are here," he told the crowd in his usual folksy tone.
Dennis Moore, director and founder of the Willow Run Tea Party Caucus, said before the event he expected an elbow-to-elbow crowd, and that proved to be true. The crowd spilled out the door and into the parking lot where speakers were set up.
Cain was all smiles and only briefly mentioned the sexual harassment allegations against him to assure the crowd he wasn't letting it get him down.
"As you can tell, they're starting to come after me," he said. "They're starting to attack me any and every way they can. Since they can't kill the ideas, they're trying to attack my integrity and my character, but the American people are not buying that — they are sick of gutter politics."
Members of the media and supporters crowd around GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain outside the Big Sky Diner in Ypsilanti Township.
Melanie Maxwell | AnnArbor.com
"I'm not running for fame or fortune," Cain said. "I'm running because I care about the future of this country and I've got three grandkids."
He criticized Washington for what he called "foggy foreign policy" and said it's unfortunate the United States has seen its respect in the world weakened.
He said America needs less government and less taxes, and he said the first step to getting the economy going is to throw out the current tax code and implement his 9-9-9 tax plan.
"The people love 9-9-9," he said. "We put a bold solution on the table."
Following his speech, Cain greeted people inside and outside the diner. Members of a group called Union Conservatives sat in a corner booth inside the diner. They said they're conservative yet pro-union and they particularly like Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan.
"He's the first real black candidate that we've had and I think he's going to break the restraints put on by the liberals that are stopping businesses from going full-fledged forward," said Ypsilanti resident David Raaflaub, one of the group members.
As Cain pushed through the crowd toward a back exit, he was overheard telling one supporter: "How do you beat Obama? Beat him with a Cain!" The crowd cheered at Cain's comments.
When a reporter asked him to clarify what he meant by the remark, Cain said: "Cain. Herman Cain, C-A-I-N. Do I have to connect all the dots for you?"
From Ypsilanti, Cain was expected to move on to Kalamazoo, Grand Rapids and Traverse City in a whistle stop tour of the state of Michigan.
The early crowd at the Big Sky Diner awaiting Herman Cain's arrival today.
Ryan J. Stanton | AnnArbor.com
Ann Arbor native Karen Kraushaar is one of the women accusing Cain of sexual harassment. She filed a formal complaint against Cain in 1999 when he was head of the National Restaurant Association. Cain has denied all the allegations against him.
Cain, former chief executive of Godfather’s Pizza, continued to talk up his business experience today. He also ran the National Restaurant Association from 1996 to 1999.
"This economy is on life support," Cain said, criticizing what he called a deficiency of leadership in Washington. He said his 9-9-9 tax plan is the first step to changing that.
Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan would eliminate the current individual income tax, corporate income tax, payroll tax, and estate and gift tax and substitute three taxes imposed at a 9 percent rate: a national sales tax, a business flat tax an individual flat tax.
According to an independent analysis by the Tax Policy Center, the plan would raise taxes on 84 percent of U.S. households, hitting low- and middle-income families the hardest.
Timothy King, a longtime Republican and state delegate, said he appreciated Cain coming to Ypsilanti Township. He said he doesn't believe the sexual harassment allegations.
"Herman Cain has the endorsement of Dr. Alveda King and that tells it all right here. His integrity is impeccable," he said. "And all of these charges are trumped up. Herman Cain is a man of the people and he's honest and the people know the difference."
Ryan J. Stanton covers government and politics for AnnArbor.com. Reach him at ryanstanton@annarbor.com or 734-623-2529. You also can follow him on Twitter or subscribe to AnnArbor.com's e-mail newsletters.
Comments
Cyclezealot
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 9:48 p.m.
Union conservatives.. That's the silliest thing I 've ever heard , . ever.. goes to show a sucker is born every day.. if one can find a conservative that supports labor rights, that conservative should be put in a museum.
15crown00
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 5:12 a.m.
this is "political speak".just what you can expect from now until the day of the election. believe it if you will.or DON'T.
julieswhimsies
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 2:34 a.m.
Wow...roaring crowd s for Herman....several dozen supporters....too funny!
nicole
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 2:27 a.m.
The title of the article does not fit. Cain was here to meet the people of Michigan, not to address sexual harassment claims. He may have said a few words on it, but that was it. I agree with Parker's comment. Just the Ann Arbor News doing their best to smear Republican candidates.
julieswhimsies
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 6:38 p.m.
I think Mr. Cain does a pretty good job smearing himself. He needs no help with that.
Jake C
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 5:05 a.m.
Doesn't matter what Cain wanted to do. He's running for President of the United States, and he has to answer to *all* of us.
nicole
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 12:43 a.m.
The accusers are all from Chicago. Herman Cain never worked or lived in Chicago. But David Axelrod lived in the same apartment building as one of the accusers. Hmmmm......starting to sound a little fishy. Plus these women have a history of filing complaints to get money. He only worked for 3 years for the NRA, so why are all the sexual harassment claims from that time period of his career and no other? Because an someone working for Obama works for the NRA in Chicago and looked up Cain's personal record and also fabricated some of the claims.
julieswhimsies
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 6:39 p.m.
The truth will come out. It always does.
Jake C
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 5:04 a.m.
Got my previous comment deleted (nice). nicole: AnnArbor.com itself said that Karen K is from Ann Arbor. Please provide proof to the alternative, or retract your statement.
Kara H
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 2:08 a.m.
Nicole what in the world are you talking about? So far only 2 accusers are public & one is in Chicago & one is in Washington. A David Axelrod connection is just the weirdest do conspiracy theories.
Townie
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 11:05 p.m.
'Addresses sexual harassment allegations'? - No, he stonewalled on them. Just the old 'I can't recall, can't remember, nothing but lies', etc. We're up to 4 women now. Are there more? The Koch Brothers and their 'Americans for Prosperity' astroturf group are wasting the money they stole from us on this candidate. When one sees the candidates on stage all I can think is 'empty suits'...
David Parker
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 10:48 p.m.
again, allegations are just that allegations. No facts have come to light. Cain talks maybe 15 seconds on the 'Herman Cain addresses sexual harassment allegations during stop in Ypsilanti Township' and the author's title is about the allegations. Heck anyone could allege anything about Cain or anyone else for that matter. Media left the Edwards affair alone for months. because Edwards was in the PC correct party. If Edwards was a R, they would have been all over it and every day. and Edwards affair was real. Economics are far more important than allegations never pursued until Cain gains in polls. if it was an issue decades ago, these women should have pursued it then. what has changed? Cain gained in polls. and possible book deals, etc. Facts are stubborn things, especially for libs. Even a lefty like Ryan, I'm sure, can write an even handed story. Title it appropriately. U can do it Ryan!
julieswhimsies
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 6:42 p.m.
Please let Herman Cain be the Republican Party candidate! It would make for a very humorous campaign season.
USRepublic
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 2:56 p.m.
It's obvious that Briegel or Jake C have ever owned a business or have ever been a senior manager at a business. This is a hatchet job article.....and Ryan needs to be put on notice.....
Jake C
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 5 a.m.
David, I know you're a smart man. You managed to run for Ann Arbor City Council. But the NRA paid off at least 2 women to avoid further sexual harassment lawsuits. Would you like to claim whether that is a fact, or just rumor? It doesn't matter whether the lawsuits would have won or not, the NRA *settled*. The NRA pretty much admitted that Herman Cain sexually harassed at least 2 women (in order to avoid a formal lawsuit). So Cain is in the lead in the polls. How exactly does it make these facts un-true?
David Briegel
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 3:23 a.m.
They did pursue it then and got a lot of money from the NRA! Of course the NRA just gave that money away and it had nothing at all to with poor, pitiful Herman!
Mike
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 10:38 p.m.
Let's keep who we have, keep our heads in the sand, keep doing things the way we have been, raise taxes on the rich, increase government and entitlements and get on the highway to Italy and Greece. Let's do that and get it over with. Why try to cut taxes, decrease the size of government, and reduce our debt which will be carried by our children and grandchildren? Obama is the answer. Why can't everyone see that? The man is amazing and so intelligent and he has a wealth of experience. We just just need to give him more time to fix Bush's mess. He has the answers but the republicans won't let him spend more to fix the economy and raise taxes to create more government jobs..............look at all of the people he has employed himself, he just needs more tax dollars; a couple of more stimulus plans which the rich should pay for and we'll get it right.
HaeJee
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:41 p.m.
As an educated professional woman, I would NEVER vote for Cain. Besides the multiple allegations, the way he refers to his female peers shows his lack of respect for women.
Sparty
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 4:28 a.m.
Well, when some posters constantly belittle others it is a natural outcome to mention ones background in rebuttal.
bedrog
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:26 p.m.
Between Perry ( google "oops perry video"... in which Ron Paul also comes off as an idiot!!)), Caine , Bachmann, and Romney ( who is retreating ' teapartywards' from his decent record as the Mass. governor) Obama must be sleeping pretty well at night despite the economic problems in Europe and here, and the general -- and ever reliable-- mess that is the middle east.
Sparty
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:15 p.m.
Does this man not own another sweater vest, I mean please --- it's the only thing you ever see him in outside of his suits. LoL. Maybe he's ruined all his other clothes sweating through all those sexual harassment charges?
julieswhimsies
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 6:44 p.m.
I agree. I personally prefer the big hats.
Sparty
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 4:26 a.m.
Sorry, couldn't resist. LoL :)
Monica R-W
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:31 p.m.
Ohhh Rob. I'm speechless!
BenWoodruff
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 8:45 p.m.
David Rafflaub said "He's the first real black candidate that we've had...". What color IS the current President of the United States? Just askin.
Monica R-W
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:14 p.m.
Sorry Ben, I referred to you a David. My apologies!
Monica R-W
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:09 p.m.
Well David, Cain is the first Black candidate that speaks the language the Willow Run Tea Party Caucus can understand. You know...like Cain's refers to leaving the "Democratic Plantation" a long time ago, while in the next sentence talking about this Great-Grand Parents being slaves. Those "Tea Party Folks" that is...like language like that. It makes them feel a little better about their racial overtones. President Obama doesn't step in the pulling the "race card" like Candidate Cain does, as he believes that the Presidential role serves all Americans: African-American, Caucasian, Latino. Asian. Indian, Arabic and in-between. In fact, he told African-Americans in this "Herman Cain Train" video...which he does not have a train or is on a train (walking near train tracks yes)....he tells those who believe the Tea Party is a racist organization to: "Eat their words". Ann Coulter said Blacks like Herman Cain are better than other Blacks. I'm confused why she was rating "Black People" but, these are the people Cain prefers to hang out with. More of my opinions on Herman Cain are available if you would like to read them here: <a href="http://www.reachoutjobsearch.com/2011/11/oped-part-2-why-herman-cain-needs-to.html" rel='nofollow'>http://www.reachoutjobsearch.com/2011/11/oped-part-2-why-herman-cain-needs-to.html</a> Thanks!
Monica R-W
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 8:33 p.m.
Thanks Ryan for the story. What about the fake apology he offered to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi? We have the video!! Either way, the Herman Cain show continues across our beloved state and that's well...sad! Reach Out Job Search News <a href="http://www.reachoutjobsearch.com/2011/11/herman-cain-visits-big-sky-diner-in.html" rel='nofollow'>http://www.reachoutjobsearch.com/2011/11/herman-cain-visits-big-sky-diner-in.html</a>
Jon Saalberg
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:54 p.m.
Cain is sunk, certainly by his repeated claims that none of these claims are true or made up or whatever his moment to moment response is. Really? So those payoffs by the Restaurant Association were for what? As to claims by another poster: The economic ruin is still the result of digging out from the Bush tsunami, which wasn't fully realized until Bush left office to clear brush in Texas; all U.S. troops will be out of Iraq shortly - I assume the poster must have missed the President's announcement to that affect; national debt? I would talk to the GOP, whose idea of moving the country forward is to make sure the President can do absolutely nothing unless he gives the rich tax breaks. Foreign affairs? I think even FOX news might admit it would be hard to have lowered the U.S.'s standing in the world any lower than it was when Bush was president. While Obama has been President Bin Laden was killed, as Bush promised and failed to do, Qaddafi is gone, Mubarak is gone. The GOP will be left with Romney, the master flip-flopper. And since a large contingent of our population thinks his religion isn't a "real" religion, it makes the GOP's chances in 2012 pretty slim.
hut hut
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:53 p.m.
Cain's a joke. I'm glad he's successful but he didn't do it by himself. Once people get to his class of ultra rich, they feel entitled and above it all. Cain's no different. I think it's despicable when someone gets to the top of the capitalist poker game, like Cain, actually believe that they did it all by their lonesome. He had a public education paid by taxpayers, his neighbors and friends. He hires people educated by taxpayers. His business interests use the same roads and infrastructure paid for by ALL Americans. His rise in the corporatocracy was made possible by civil rights marchers who went to jail and gave their lives. Cain, a self made millionaire? No way.
SMAIVE
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:44 p.m.
"He's the first real black candidate that we've had " Seriously? Bigotry is still alive and well on all sides.
hut hut
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:54 p.m.
Thanks! I couldn't let than one pass.
Rusnak
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:42 p.m.
It's amazing to me how the "left" is filled with so much contempt and hate for those on the "right". Or, is it because Herman Cain is a black with conservative views? Maybe it's because he's a black and not in step with the rest of the Democratic Party; doesn't know his place, the left thinks he's too "uppity". The left fear him because he might turn a light on in some African-American minds that the "left" have done nothing for us except keep us subjugated. Bill Clinton can get his jollies in the Oval Office and commit perjury, not to mention Gennifer Flower's, and Kathleen Willey. (oh, that's right, their story wasn't credible). Ted Kennedy kills a woman and was a known womanizer. Plus there's the sexual romp that Chris Dodd and Ted had together. Barney Frank's escapade too. The stories that Herman Cain's accuser's relate are full of holes. But, the liberal media just can't let it go. At least Monica Lewinsky had proof, she saved the dress. And remember when the Bill and Monica thing was going on the media told us "it was between Bill and Hillary". The double standard.
Kara H
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 2:14 a.m.
@skotsjky: Cain is a buffoon. I don't think he's uppity at all.
mun
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 10:05 p.m.
What about David Vitter (R) Louisiana?
racerx
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:46 p.m.
Oh yeah right, "our black is better than their black" (Ann Coulter-UM grad!). As an African-American, I'd have to agree with Monica R-W. Uncle Cain won't be president, and he is not even remotely capable. His race has nothing to do with it either. He simply is not qualified. But, if you wish, please put your support behind him and continue to watch the train wreck.
HaeJee
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:40 p.m.
As an independent, I am concerned with the allegations overall. When a corporation pays out over 60k to 2 victims, it makes Cain look pretty guilty. Understanding how HR works, the victims must have had some convincing evidence. It is not a double standard. I was opposed to Clinton then, as much as I am to Cain. Perhaps it is YOU that is thinking double standard.....
Monica R-W
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:21 p.m.
Skotsky, Are you African-American? Well, I'm a proud African-American all of life and proud of it. I'm also Independent Left lending and, a candidate like Herman Cain does not have the fortitude to "turn on my mind" nor do I want him too. My mind can decide on what I see, hear and study what a candidate says out of his/her mouth. For Cain to talk about in his so-called Train video about African-Americans that need to in his words "Leave the Democratic Plantation" and then the in VERY NEXT CLIP refer to his Great-Grand Parents "Being Slaves" says all I need to know about Herman Cain. He's not worth my time nor vote. Also, please don't speak for the African-American community ....also tell Cain that.... because we can and will speak for ourselves. Thanks! Monica
justcurious
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:50 p.m.
The Left and right are filled with contempt as your comment shows. Nothing is black and white. There is plenty of blame to spread around for past screw ups. The problem is to pick the best person now, either party or a totally new one.
dotdash
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:35 p.m.
I got a robocall from the Cain campaign that was pretty ugly about Romney and Perry. The telemarketer who came on after the taped message even seemed embarrassed about it...
justcurious
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:33 p.m.
I don't consider myself a Republican or a Democrat because I never vote down straight party lines. I vote for the candidate. However, why do the Republicans keep coming up with these oddball candidates. I don't see a single person that I could vote for as of now. I need to look into Ron Paul a bit more.
HaeJee
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:36 p.m.
He also believes that the Catholic Church should take over many of our government programs.
Sparty
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:19 p.m.
Ron Paul? He proposes making Iran "our friend"! You know, the Iran who proposes wiping Israel off the face of the earth. The Iran who killed thousands of it's own citizens in their recent protests when they wanted increased freedoms. The Iran who hates the United States of America. The Iran who has funded terrorists to kill Americans throughout the middle east. Unbelievable.
Roadman
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:58 p.m.
God bless Herman Cain. A true American. We need his leadership in Washington.
HaeJee
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:35 p.m.
So you are saying that true Americans are sex predators. We don't need THAT kind of leadership.
bedrog
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:29 p.m.
Sometimes ,Roadman, you must confuse even yourself as to whether you are being ironic or dead serious.
Monica R-W
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:27 p.m.
He will never be this nations' President...Thank God!
hut hut
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:49 p.m.
As true as you and I.
Sparty
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:57 p.m.
LoL. Hope there were no women left alone in front of this potential serial sexual predator. This man is a joke. At the debate, even the others had to laugh. He seriously didn't even understand the questions. What are your thoughts about the NLRB vs Boeing? Um ... 9-9-9. What about your thoughts on defined benefit pension plans? Um ... 9-9-9. He just didn't get. Of course he has said that he thought China was getting ready to develop nuclear weapons, though they developed them in 1964. He said he didn't need to worry about foreign affairs, he would have advisors for that stuff. He has said he didn't have time to think about those countries that ended in -stan, -stan, -stan. I mean, seriously? On top of being charged with sexual harassment by 4-5 women, proven payoffs to 2 equal to their annual salaries? Written investigations, witnesses interviewed, statement notes, other witnesses to various issues, paper trails? Pending joint new conferences by at least 2 victims with their attorneys with the possibility of other victims joining them?
USRepublic
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:42 p.m.
Another Ryan Stanton Hack Job..... Don't talk about the substance......just hack the conservative..... Quit wasting your readers' time with your political bent.
USRepublic
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 2:14 p.m.
Did you read the article? Did you read the Headline? The article itself states that Cain "only briefly mentioned the sexual harassment allegations against him". Yet, within the article there are several references to the trumped up allegations including a hyperlink regarding KK's charges and ending the article with two paragraphs about the allegations. It is worse than bias....it is a perpetual smear campaign.....and we can't let our local journalists get away with such behavior.
Monica R-W
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:24 p.m.
Ryan is a fair and accurate reporter....regardless if he's reporting on Rick Snyder or Mark Brewer. That's is why I consider Ryan the cream of the crop at Ann Arbor.com. To say that this article has a bend either way off the mark.
Veracity
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 8:49 p.m.
How can you consider Ryan's article as a "hack" job? What statements do you find offensive? If anything, the preponderance of comments from interviews were favorable. If an authoritative analysis of his tax proposal shows a disadvantage for middle income and poor people then that news is worth sharing with the readership. If you read Ryan Stanton's political articles leading up to the last election you will obtain the impression that he favored Republicans as did annarbor.com editorial staff (IMHO).
Ron Granger
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:36 p.m.
Just heard from a couple friends in Traverse who say they got a robocall last night for a free Cain event in TC.
Ron Granger
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:35 p.m.
Yeah, I'd love to pay 9% sales tax on top of Michigan's 6%... What will a 15% sales tax do for spending? Will the 9% apply to food purchases? Or hasn't he figured that out yet? But in those years where I get a huge six figure windfall, this is perfect - only 9%. That's way better than the current fed rate of 33%. Even though Cain's tax plan would be hugely advantageous for me, I know it's WRONG.
racerx
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:42 p.m.
But! There will be no tax for "used" items! So, those poor people who tends to buy more of the basics of life, and pay no tax for used milk!
B2Pilot
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:12 p.m.
Okay, i just read the analysis from the Tax Center policy that was quoted in this article, neatly displayed above a picture to make it stand out no less. "According to an independent analysis by the Tax Policy Center, the plan would raise taxes on 84 percent of U.S. households, hitting low- and middle-income families the hardest." I could not find any refrence in their analysis even similar - the closest i found is below in their conclusion statements The Cain campaign documents also contain some discussion of deductions for empowerment zones that might relieve some of the tax burden on low wage workers. We have not received any details of these provisions and thus cannot estimate them. If such relief were to be provided, it could relieve some of the burden at the low end of the income distribution, but would reduce the net revenue raised by the proposal.
Kara H
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:21 p.m.
It's in the data tables. You have to click into the summary tables to see the data by income level and tax policy.
A2Susie
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:11 p.m.
Hacim - Re your comment: "Why don't you do your own analysis of Cain's plan. You know your current taxes. An upper limit on the personal tax under 999 is 17.2% of gross income. Hence if your current tax is bigger then this number you would benefit from the 999 plan. Cain's plan would especially benefit you if you are retired since tax on social security and 401k withdrawals would go to zero." I agree that this plan would be better for some retired people. But certainly not for working people. Don't forget that one of those 9s is a 9% sales tax! This would indeed be hardest on low and middle income families much more than upper income. They would be spending a much larger portion of their income on consumer goods, of necessity. Many struggle to make ends meet as it is; a 9% tax on goods would be tougher on you the poorer you are. I haven't read his plan in its entirety and do not know if this 9% sales tax applies to groceries. Do you know if it does? I haven't taken time to read his plan because I don't think he's a serious candidate. By that I mean he is not taking his own candidacy seriously. He has yet to put together campaign offices in key primary states, and he is, after all, also on a book tour. I think selling books is what he's serious about.
Matt B
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:44 p.m.
There are many hidden taxes already embedded in the prices of goods. Corporate income taxes, payroll taxes, etc. 9-9-9 would cause a massive disinflation of prices along with the sales tax. It is very difficult to calculate how much of a change, but real prices after taxes would not see close to a 9% increase.
dotdash
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:11 p.m.
This is a man with a problem with power and a profound lack of respect for women (see "Princess Pelosi" reference). Let him try to get elected by the 49% of the population who count with him.
Arborcomment
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 10:19 p.m.
Tesla, technically correct, an affair between the President of the United States and an intern fell under "consenting". Don't forget to include Gennifer Flowers in the consenting adult category. Then you'll need to subtract Paula Willey, Juanita Broderick, and Paula Jones. They didn't "consent" and the last got a $850k settlement and Bill lost his law license out of it.
HaeJee
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:33 p.m.
B2Pilot - two wrongs do not make a right. As a woman, I didn't vote for Clinton, anymore than I will vote for Cain. Sexual harrassment is wrong, regardless of the political party they are tied to.
clownfish
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:17 p.m.
Paula Jones lawsuit was rules to be "completely without merit" by the courts. Cains accusers were forced to sign a confidentiality clause. If clinton was bad, so is Cain, or do you want it both ways? Who is more hypocritical?
dotdash
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:50 p.m.
US Republic: huh? Clinton was excoriated by conservatives for lying about the affair with Monica Lewinsky (as he should have been). But those are the same people who are now giving Cain a free pass. That, my friend, is hypocrisy.
USRepublic
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:35 p.m.
And so "paying the price" for attempted rape is being "excoriated roundly by conservatives"? Liberal hypocrisy never ceases to amaze.....
cinnabar7071
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:33 p.m.
Dont forget Ted Kennedy, the democrats loved that man.
dotdash
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:31 p.m.
And Bill Clinton paid the price, remember? Excoriated roundly by conservatives -- the same "family values" guys now saying all those women are lying about Cain.
B2Pilot
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:59 p.m.
does the name Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley, Juanita Broadrick just to name a few ring a bell?? they said it was not consesual and there were many more while he was governor of Arkansas
Tesla
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:25 p.m.
No. Not like Bill Clinton. His affair was between consenting adults. He wasn't accused of sticking his hand up some girls skirt and feeling her crotch, etc Why do you hate facts so much?
B2Pilot
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:14 p.m.
just like Bill Clinton right
Tesla
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:10 p.m.
I totally disagree with the majority of his stances and ideologies, but it's neat to see some of the candidates coming to the area. I would expect to see Mitt in Michigan quite often.
Barb
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:58 p.m.
He doesn't need to come here much - he already does well here.
dading dont delete me bro
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:06 p.m.
big sky diner... really...?
Monica R-W
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 8:55 p.m.
It was the best place the Willow Run Tea Party Causas could afford. They didn't receive their Koch Brother's donation in time. One would think they would have got The Bomber considering its' a historical location and all....but the menu is better with makes the prices a little higher. Well, cheap candidate....cheap food....cheap supporters? I don't know...
B2Pilot
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:57 p.m.
quite a headline considering only 3 sentences discussed the allegations.
USRepublic
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:37 p.m.
I would suggest that the bench warmers at annarbor.com could use a good dose of Project Veritas to expose their liberal hypocrisy.
Terence Conklin
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:33 p.m.
How many times have I heard: "According to an independent analysis by the Tax Policy Center, the plan would raise taxes on 84 percent of U.S. households, hitting low- and middle-income families the hardest..." That is so off the beam of reality. Granted, people who pay zero tax now will pay more if they pay a dollar. However, Those who have a job and are now paying 15.5% of their pay in SS tax right off the top before we get our checks. Cain's plan puts that money back into the pockets of workers. In addition, while his plan adds a 9% sales tax on new stuff, The taxes already embedded in prices go away. What are they? They include corporate (i.e. employers) taxes at higher rates and the multiple taxes on LAYERS of manufacture. The truckers' taxes, the suppliers' taxes, the miners, rail, distributers', etc. There are loads of reduced taxes that CAN be removed from prices. I say "Can" because they could leave prices high... But would they? Manufacturers seek profits and profits multiply when they can sell lower than competitors. Prices will follow their attempts to enlarge their markets, here and overseas. That spells jobs for Americans. As stated below, retired folks like me love the 999 plan because we have SS and Dividend income and don't need to buy any more stuff so our retirement is far more secure. Young people have a shot at tax free savings and investments. They can move up the ladder and become one of maybe not the 1% but how about the 20%?
Jake C
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 4:45 a.m.
"Corporations should seek nothing but profits." "I only earn SS income so I don't care about anyone else". "Poor people can work 120 hours a week at minimum wage and maybe 1% of them will eventually earn a living wage". Got any more right-wing talking points?
Veracity
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 8:39 p.m.
So you like the idea of paying a 9% federal sales tax for food, for electricity, for a new car, for meals at a restaurant. And still you will pay 9% personal tax which include your dividends. And these are federal taxes in addition to any state income tax, property tax, millage, and sales tax. Without a payroll tax your Social Security payments will disappear quickly and of course Medicare will end as well. How secure do you feel now?
Kara H
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:40 p.m.
So how are you retired folk going to like living without SS and Medicare?
Kai Petainen
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:30 p.m.
supposedly... the Mojo in the Morning show tricked the press this morning. they orchestrated a live interview with someone who was groped by Herman Cain, and they had photos to prove it. so, the press supposedly showed up -- including bloomberg.... ... and they brought someone named Herman Cain (not the same person as above) and had him grope someone. From my understanding, the press wasn't all that happy....
Alan Goldsmith
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:28 p.m.
Corporate lapdog for the billionaire Koch Brothers: <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/herman-cain-declares-his-allegiance-to-the-koch-brothers/" rel='nofollow'>http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/herman-cain-declares-his-allegiance-to-the-koch-brothers/</a>
Alan Goldsmith
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:23 p.m.
All this brilliant political wisdom and not one word about the Koch Brothers? Lol.
racerx
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:40 p.m.
Cain has made reference to them, and I quote, "...they're my brothers from another mother..." I'm not making this up! Koch Brothers, also gave heavily to Wisconsin governor, and provided seed money for the Tea Party. Oh, Cain knows which side his bread is buttered on!
xmo
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:20 p.m.
I just love the economy 11% unemployment (when you use the number of jobs when Bush was President), very high national debt, stuck in two wars, Gitmo still open and the U.S. National Prestige at an all time low. Just about anybody is better qualified than our current President, who never had a private sector job, never created a job, never managed a budget, no experience in foreign or domestic affairs. Herman Cain seems over qualified compared to President Obama.
Arborcomment
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 5:36 p.m.
Jake, my apologies. My response is up in the previous thread.
Jake C
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 4:42 a.m.
@Arborcomment I notice you don't dispute the fact that Obama has created more jobs over his Presidential career than Bush has. Coincidentally, the unemployment rate and jobless claims have also continually shrunk over the last 3 years Bush took office during one of the biggest corporate boom cycles in the last century, and turned it into a major depression. What have Republicans done over the last 30 years? Debt-to-GDP-ratio, according to you: "Reagan +14.9, Bush elder +7.1, Clinton -13.4, Bush +5.6" 'nuff said.
Arborcomment
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 1:21 a.m.
Racer and Dave, I'd like to correct some of your verses to the "Blame Bush" song. 1) "Bush responsible for $9B of debt, Obama $3b". I'm guessing you mean trillions not billions right? I know it's hard to tell the difference when it will be your children that will really have to pay for it. Even if true in trillions (see next percentages section), does this result in Obama's debt total at $10.5T after 8 years to be combined with your bogus Bush total? Per the Washington Post, the percentage of the debt to GDP for the for the terms of the following presidents were: Reagan +14.9, Bush elder +7.1, Clinton -13.4, Bush +5.6, Obama +24.6. (as of 30 June). 2) "Started two wars" surely you're not one of those 9/11 conspiracy theorists? 3) Gitmo is still open because Obama the candidate found out that Bush the President had made a very good decision. If you disagree, let me know when the trails start in New York. 4) OBL and Libya. It took years of patient intelligence work to carry out the UBL raid, enough information was pieced together and understood while Obama had the watch. He gets credit for having the confidence in his intelligence apparatus for ordering the raid as circumstance provided opportunity. The raid was his onlymoption by the way. A Pred strike or cruise missile would have tactically or politically impossible. For Libya, his own administration minions said "he was leading from behind". That's political spin for being told by the French and British "we are going to do this".
theodynus
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 12:35 a.m.
No experience in foreign or domestic affairs? No budget management? What about 3 years as President of the United States of America? No private sector job? Davis, Miner & Barnhill. Chicago, IL. 1993-2002. Never created a job? How about the recent decrease in unemplyoment?
Tom Todd
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 10:31 p.m.
Obama seems to be the best president in decades concerning foreign affairs.
racerx
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:37 p.m.
Michigan's unemployment is 11%, nationally it's now down to 9%. Bush created 11,000 jobs a month during his two terms in office. Bush was responsible for $9B of the debt, Obama $3B. Bush also began two wars which weren't paid for. Obama didn't open Gitmo, though he says he will close it. Obama has created more jobs than Bush. Even in the worst economic conditions ever. Yes, even worst than the Depression. His campaign for President had a war chest of over $300M dollars. He managed that pretty well. Obama has also held a job as a community organizer, lest you forget, which gave him some pretty substantial organization skills I'd say. Obama also gave the orders to shoot to kill Somalia pirates, OBL (which Bush couldn't accomplish in 8yrs.), fought a smarter war with no U.S. casualties in Libya. But why present facts to people whose memories are so short term, they'll actually begin to believe a pizza CEO (the 10th largest at that) will become president. Yup. I'll keep Obama.
David Briegel
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:14 p.m.
You mean the 7 million jobs lost under the Bush? You mean the Doubling of the nat'l debt? You mean the genius of the two mismanaged wars full of fraud, abuse and corruption? That was the all time low point for U.S. Nat'l prestige!!
RayA2
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:17 p.m.
When Herman Caine talks about his wealth, he attributes it to his hard work and intelligence. This is a classic, blinders-on behavior of the rich. They conveniently ignore the role that luck and help from others played in their wealth accumulation. Mr. Caine attributes the economic status of the middle class and poor to their laziness and stupidity. Again, classic behavior of the rich. He is no doubt ignoring the revolting effect this message has on any middle class or poor person with even half a brain, because he aims only to please the radical teaparty that runs the republicon party. His party's message of getting government out of the way gives decisions about our future to the oligarchs, and takes them away from the very organization that represents all of us in the democracy our founding fathers envisioned, our government.
Arborcomment
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 5:34 p.m.
Jake, I'm actually still researching the "more jobs" claim and no I won't include the "jobs saved" hyperbole. Bush took office in a downturn, you forgot to mention the Internet bubble. And if you really want to keep score this way, 20 years of republicans adds up to 27.6%. Ten years of democrats equals 11.2% but with Clinton and a republican controlled house and senate starting in the negative, Obama has managed to swing it 38 points. Not a happy ratio. 'nuff 'nuff said
Arborcomment
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 2:17 a.m.
"Mr. Caine (sic) attributes the economic status of the middle class and poor to their laziness and stupidity". Where did you smoke this one up Ray? I suppose he and the large crowd at Big Sky Diner were there because the country club was already booked?
Barb
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:57 p.m.
"They conveniently ignore the role that luck and help from others played in their wealth accumulation." You are so right. There are an awful lot of government agencies that pave the way and allow for folks to be successful.
David Briegel
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:03 p.m.
Given 10 days to think about why the NRA would pay those women, all he can do is deny and lie. Maybe we should all see if we can get some of that "free money" they gave away in Heman's "good name"! Herman was entitled!!
ypsidog
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 4:38 p.m.
@ignatz The people that will vote for Cain elected Rick Snyder who possesses a similar lack of qualifications for the job he got. See all those jobs opening up? How is that working out?? the dog
Charlie Brown's Ghost
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 1:03 a.m.
The concept of being qualified for office went out the window in the 2008 Presidential election.
hut hut
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 4:34 p.m.
Herman Cain feels pretty entitled since he made it to the top all by himself. lol David Raaflaub, political gadfly, is still around? And I fail to mention relevant for a reason.
Cash
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 4:32 p.m.
"According to an independent analysis by the Tax Policy Center, the plan would raise taxes on 84 percent of U.S. households, hitting low- and middle-income families the hardest." Nuff said.
Mike
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 10:28 p.m.
That would make sense, especially because 50% pay no taxes and the burden is carried by the other 50%. Hidden taxes would go away even thought there would be a national sales tax, and you could file your taxes on a post card saving millions of dollars and leaving you more time to enjoy your life.
clownfish
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 9:14 p.m.
That would give us Michiganders a 15% sales tax. Nice. Cains proposal is a simplistic solution to a complex problem. He has little knowledge of foreign policy.
Matt B
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 7:34 p.m.
The Tax Policy Center's analysis is totally disingenuous. They completely ignored the part of 9-9-9 that would refund ALL taxes up to the poverty level in any given year. That point is essential when considering how progressive/regressive it is. Did you actually read the analysis by the Tax Policy Center? Did you actually read the 9-9-9 Plan? Clearly not.
Kara H
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:33 p.m.
In the end, whatever tax plan is put in place, in the past America's sweet spot has been when revenues and outlays are roughly equal (some deficit spending can be beneficial) but they should be in the 15-20% of GDP range. Cain's plan doesn't achieve sufficient revenue to allow the country to operate. Business Insider (not a not traditionally radical pub) has a nice visual walkthrough of historical tax rates and rev/outlays. (<a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-tax-rates)" rel='nofollow'>http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-tax-rates)</a> Politicians need to stop talking about merely "raising" this and "lowering" that and deal with real target figures and benchmarks otherwise all of it is just bluster and won't actually achieve stability and growth for the American economy.
RayA2
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:21 p.m.
Hacim, Doesn't Caine's plan for a 9% sales tax to make up for all of that lost revenue from income taxes? This is a huge shift of tax burden from high income earners to the middle class and poor.
Hacim Obmed
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 5:06 p.m.
Why don't you do your own analysis of Cain's plan. You know your current taxes. An upper limit on the personal tax under 999 is 17.2% of gross income. Hence if your current tax is bigger then this number you would benefit from the 999 plan. Cain's plan would especially benefit you if you are retired since tax on social security and 401k withdrawals would go to zero. That alone explains why Cain is so popular in Florida. Go Herman!
justcurious
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 4:38 p.m.
Yeah, I look forward to that happening.
Ignatz
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 4:27 p.m.
"You know, I thought I was just going to sit down with a couple of people and have some bacon and eggs..." Really? If he wanted that to happen, his handlers never should have announced the appearance. I don't know why anyone would consider voting for him. He has no government experience. Being President is not like being CEO. The office of President is not omnipotent. What was his managing style as CEO? Was it inclusinve? Was if authoritarian? Why would people want him to learn how to act in goverment while on the job? Maybe he should run for head of Uzbecki-becki-becki-stan-stan, first.
what
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 6:11 a.m.
"You know, I thought I was just going to sit down with a couple of people and have some bacon and eggs..." It's a joke. I wouldn't want him as president but I do appreciate when a politician actually has a sense of humor (especially when it leads to them singing pizza-themed John Lennon covers...).
Nephilim
Fri, Nov 11, 2011 : 2:21 a.m.
You mean as opposed to our junior senator,community activist gone president Obama? Yea.......exactly
thecompound
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 6:14 p.m.
Are you saying we should close California, lol?
pvitaly
Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 4:42 p.m.
Cain closed over 200 Godfather's pizza stores which brought the company back to profitability. Yay...