Township calls Jenny's Market straw maze a public nuisance, seeks court order to remove it
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Emma Weichmann of Ann Arbor crawls out of the straw maze at Jenny's Market Thursday afternoon.
Courtney Sacco | AnnArbor.com
But Webster Township officials say the straw stack, which has three tunnels supported by plywood running through its base, is a safety hazard and a public nuisance. They want it dismantled, and they’re taking Hoey to court to try to force the issue.
“There’s a multitude of risks associated with that,” said Bruce Pindzia, township zoning administrator. “We’re worried about collapse. We’re worried about fire hazard. We’re worried about children being injured.”
The township has filed a complaint in Washtenaw Circuit Court against Hoey and his daughter, Jennifer Lambers, who owns the property at the intersection of Dexter-Pinckney and Island Lake roads. The complaint asks the court to declare the maze a public nuisance under the township’s nuisance ordinance and order it removed.
The township alleges it notified Hoey and Lambers on Sept. 10 that the maze violated the township's nuisance ordinance and asked them to remove it, but they failed to comply.
The complaint alleges that the maze “endangers public health, safety and welfare,” that “there are no escape routes for children trapped within the maze” and no access points for adults and that the maze is “susceptible to collapse under its own weight, possibly while children are inside it.”
Hoey, who has had a protracted dispute with the township over zoning issues, scoffed at the suggestion that what he calls a “haunted straw maze” isn’t safe and said the township is harassing him hoping that he’ll go out of business. “They want me gone. They don’t want Jenny’s Market.”
Jenny's Market operator Burton Hoey.
“Webster Township is using the straw maze as a target to irritate me, and the only ones that are going to lose out is the children,” he said. “Where are you going to have them play? A Walmart parking lot?”
But Pindzia said concern for public safety at the maze was the primary motivation for the filing of the lawsuit.
“It’s so confined that there is not room for adults to access the tunnels,” he said. ”If a child gets trapped in there for whatever reason, the whole mess would have to be deconstructed.”
But Hoey says that’s not true. “I can get through it, and I weigh 220 pounds,” he said.
Fire is also a serious concern, Pindzia said. “There’s a whole apron of loose straw surrounding this thing,” he said. “A single cigarette butt could ignite this thing.”
He acknowledged the maze was unlikely to go up in a ball of fire, but he said smoke inhalation could be a real danger to children in the maze if a fire broke out.
Hoey countered that he keeps a hose and fire extinguisher nearby. And he said the straw is wet from recent rains and not likely to burn.
The township also alleges Hoey has not allowed officials to inspect the maze, a claim Hoey disputes. He said the township’s building inspector has been out several times and seen the straw stack and the tunnels. He also said he has no authority to keep Pindzia from inspecting the maze and hasn’t tried to.
Hoey said the maze is popular with visitors to the market who bring their children and grandchildren.
Rosemary Schuett of Dexter is one such visitor. She said she often brings her three grandchildren to the market and said she has no concerns about the safety of the maze or the market as a whole.
“I don’t think it’s any less safe than the playground equipment that I let my grandchildren use at the various parks,” she said. She also disputed the township’s claim that the maze is not large enough for an adult. She’s been through it herself, she said.
The dispute over the maze is the latest in a string of problems for the market that began last September when a hayride accident paralyzed an employee. The employee, Mary Armbruster, has sued over the incident.
The day after the accident, Webster Township delivered a stop-work order to the market alleging violations of zoning ordinances. Shortly afterward, the state of Michigan found several food safety violations at the market.
In late October, Hoey reported that two men attacked him at the market and stole several months worth of proceeds at the business. Washtenaw County sheriff’s deputies have dropped their investigation of the attack, saying Hoey wasn't cooperating and had failed a polygraph test.
Hoey sued the township in April over its refusal to grant him a permit to install a bathroom. In denying the permit, township officials said Hoey had failed to submit a required site plan. Hoey and the township had been working toward a settlement, but progress recently stalled.
Last month, the Humane Society of Huron Valley seized horses, donkeys and goats at the market, saying they had been neglected. That case remains unresolved.
A court hearing has been set for Oct. 18 in the latest dispute. Hoey vowed to prevail. “I’ll win. There’s no question about it,” he said.
Cindy Heflin is associate news director at AnnArbor.com. Contact her at 734-623-2572 or cindyheflin@annarbor.com or follow her on Twitter.
Comments
Patrick M. Hoey
Thu, Oct 18, 2012 : 10:47 a.m.
The greatest crime committed is allowing Jenny's Market to stay open as long as it has. This is not a farmer's market, Burton Hoey does not even own or operate a farm, he buys his "homegrown" produce from the city. If parents feel comfortable allowing their children to crawl around in tunnels of water-logged, bug and mold infested straw, that's their decision to make. But having a laundry list of health and safety violations, lawsuits, and the tragedy of a paralyzed young woman who Burton Hoey has 100% neglected to help following the injury caused by his negligence, lacking insurance for "part-time" staff when all that he employs are part-time, seasonal workers, is reason enough for a witch hunt. If there is any justice to be found, it will be a witch hunt followed by a firm prosecution. It disgusts me that so many parents bring their children here, thinking they are providing the wholesome experience of small town, charming farm life, though turning a blind eye to the well documented cases of animal abuse. Deliberate, inhumane, violent animal abuse. This man has had many animals taken away from him for legitimate cases of abuse and neglect. Think hammer to horse skull. But don't take away the mushy pile of hay bales, you cry? Don't take away the facade of a genuine farm experience? The man is a crook and has been playing the victim for decades, he has never felt he should have to follow any of the rules, and not just petty rules, but ones that any other local farm market abides by without even being told to, because they have the common sense and feeling of responsibility that a man like Burton Hoey lacks. Do yourselves a favor and visit Wing Farms and Ruhlig Farms. Jenny's has a great location which allows it to receive the traffic of customers that Burton Hoey knows will stop by no matter how poorly cared for his business is run and the property is maintained. Why? Because the majority of people are fools and like to pretend Jenny's is honest and w
Kitty O'Brien
Mon, Oct 15, 2012 : 1:55 a.m.
Rained all weekend. Hay tower was never covered. Shame on those of you who think this is a witch hunt. That hay maze is a death trap. Bravo, twp officials.
snapshot
Sun, Oct 14, 2012 : 6:54 a.m.
All these "safety" minded folks who are probably driving and texting and have probably caused many accidents as a result of their distracted driving that they are not even aware of causing. You know who you are.
Hallmark
Sun, Oct 14, 2012 : 4:51 a.m.
It's obvious somebody in the township is bent on getting rid of this market. I'm sure Hoey is a pain but this is ridiculous. People come from all over Washtenaw and Jackson county come to this market and many probably stop in Dexter for food or gas afterward. Mr Hoey, we would love to have your market and the traffic it pulls in. Move to Chelsea!
grimmk
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 11 p.m.
Has there been previous history of danger or incidents about this tunnel maze? No. End of story! I may not like the guy or his business, so I don't go there. But that does not make it ok for a witch hunt.
Patrick M. Hoey
Thu, Oct 18, 2012 : 11:17 a.m.
Read the above comment: Years ago my 10-year-old fell right through the top. The maze was packed with kids crawling around inside. It's just chance that he didn't land on another kid's neck or head. That was our last visit to the maze. I also believe it's a huge fire waiting to happen. It would ignite so fast, I believe a lot of kids wouldn't be able to get out of the tunnels in time. I hope the hose they always keep nearby is connected to a fire truck. YouTube has lots of hay fires, btw.
Patrick M. Hoey
Thu, Oct 18, 2012 : 11:15 a.m.
That has specifically made AnnArbor.com, perhaps not.
Goofus
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 3:52 p.m.
Hoey's awful roadside attraction is in the news often because it is poorly run, unsafe, and Hoey is always full of hot air and a good quote (even though he seems to be lying or bending the truth most of the time...) I really enjoy the updates on Jenny's....
brightgirl
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 2:45 p.m.
We moved to Dexter 4 years ago and live less than a mile from Jenny's. At first we supported them, but over the years it has been one bad incident after another. Last year I took my young son to the straw maze/pile and I did not feel it was safe so this year we are not going back. I agree with all the concerns others have posted about safety, traffic, and upkeep. I mentioned to some of our neighbors that we no longer go there and it was a chorus of "oh, we haven't gone there for years!" So I do agree that most of the supporters are probably from out of town or new to Dexter. I don't know anyone who has lived in Dexter for more than a couple years who would shed a tear to see the place close down. My biggest problem is with Mr. Hoey who just seems so full of himself and fails to take any responsibility for anything. Every quote from him is along the lines of "poor me, they're out to get me." Well, run your business properly with an eye to customer service, ethics, and safety and then no one would be out go get you.
dexterreader
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 12:59 p.m.
@Mick52 .... from the Michigan Vehicle Code: "MCL 257.628 of the Michigan Vehicle Code sets the statewide maximum speed limit on all unposted highways at 55 mph." Island Lake Rd. is unposted west of the light at Dexter-Pinckney Rd.
Laura Jones
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 6:46 p.m.
The Basic Speed Law and Prima Facie Speed Limits The Michigan Vehicle Code states that at the most basic level a "person operating a vehicle on a highway shall operate that vehicle at a careful and prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper". The Vehicle Code places responsibility on the driver to be diligent and aware of their surrounding while being fully in control of their vehicle at all times. The Michigan Vehicle Code establishes the maximum speed limit on all highways as 55 mph. Prima facie reductions to this maximum speed include 25 mph in business districts, 25 mph on platted subdivision streets, and 15 mph in mobile home parks; these prima facie speeds do not need to be posted speed limits. Other prima facie speed reductions are based on access point density. The Michigan Vehicle Code allows for reductions in maximum speed limits to 45, 35, or 25 mph on the basis of access point density per half mile. Prima facie speed reductions on the basis of accesses points require the speed limit to be posted on the roadway. Maximum speed limit reductions made through this method require a field investigation where the number of access points (commercial driveways, residential driveways, and intersections) per half mile is determined. Reductions to the speed limit can be made if any of the following criteria are met: 25 miles per hour on a highway segment with 60 or more vehicular access points within 1/2 mile 35 miles per hour on a highway segment with not less than 45 vehicular access points but no more than 59 vehicular access points within 1/2 mile 45 miles per hour on a highway segment with not less than 30 vehicular access points but no more than 44 vehicular access points within 1/2 mile
snapshot
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 10:15 a.m.
Trumped up charges by officials who have nothing to lose by harrassing someone they are out to "get". Sounds like a "witch hunt" and on halloween no less.
Nar
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 12:02 a.m.
Years ago my 10-year-old fell right through the top. The maze was packed with kids crawling around inside. It's just chance that he didn't land on another kid's neck or head. That was our last visit to the maze. I also believe it's a huge fire waiting to happen. It would ignite so fast, I believe a lot of kids wouldn't be able to get out of the tunnels in time. I hope the hose they always keep nearby is connected to a fire truck. YouTube has lots of hay fires, btw.
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 10:49 p.m.
Since traffic and safety seam to be a problem with some. Lets do away with the Art Fair. Traffic is certainly a problem with all those people in the street. And look at how many are treated for varies health issues.
G. Orwell
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 10:09 p.m.
Everyone show your support and shop at Jenny's Market. I cannot believe how ANTI-business Dezter is.
Patrick M. Hoey
Sat, Oct 20, 2012 : 12:23 a.m.
Being a small local business does not pardon you from following the law, sorry.
Laura Jones
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 6:43 p.m.
You mean Webster Township - not Dexter. I have to say there are other businesses who have said the Township is heavy handed and somewhat unreasonable towards businesses but are too worried about what is happening to Burton (however deserved) to speak up about their own treatment.
ronald sharp
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:46 p.m.
Burton Hoey laughs at the rule of law. He has built that so called "farm stand" into nearly an amusement park with no regard to safety issues re> the poor girl who was paralyzed and the animals he neglected. Sell the produce but quit being a scofflaw.
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 10:51 p.m.
If he is breaking the law it is the fault of the powers that be. Cite him for every law he breaks if you want but don't make them up as you go.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:30 p.m.
All it will take is one inattentive parent (and there are plenty of those down there) and a small child squirming through the split rail type fence into the busy traffic down there. The what will everyone think? Will they blame the parents because they couldn't be on both side of the hay mound at the same time?
snapshot
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 10:23 a.m.
don't forget about the possibility of a lightining strike too, or a texting driver losing control, or a drunk driver, hell those kids should be locked indoors for their own safety.
lumberg48108
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:18 p.m.
I am sure I am not the only commented to have said this but tonight a movie opens ... it warns of the oppressive nature of the state "state" and how it wants to take from the success full and limit the options of the individual, among other things the state wants to tell you how to live - and if you disobey, they crush you we are here for the "state" not the other way around, in this world everything is done under the premise of "the public good" while disregarding the individual ... in this world, public safety trumps freedom the world of Atlas Shrugged
einy
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 8:18 p.m.
I agree with the witch hunt sayings. If the township really wants to get rid of him, then they should offer to buy his land and be done with it.
actionjackson
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 8:08 p.m.
Why not give Burton a break? The guy works hard to keep a small business going. He is not harming anyone and is not putting anyone in harms way. Leave the personal side out of this political harassment.
Amanda Zee
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:06 p.m.
Thankfully, he'll at least have to own up to neglecting his animals. http://www.hshv.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8772&news_iv_ctrl=1541#.UHihVxjxOvx
EyeHeartA2
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 10:50 p.m.
Well, not seriously anyway....Unless you count the lady that was paralyzed.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:22 p.m.
Think the animals that were removed feel that way?
BOBBY
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 8:03 p.m.
Its just one thing after another in the papers about this place. I think the owner upset somebody and its clear they don't want him there anymore . Kind of upsetting to see people so determined to put this guys business/ life out of commission. considering it is a legit family friendly operation. he needs to dig into his savings now and get a good lawyer to back everyone off .
Suzanne
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 7:45 p.m.
This vendetta that the township seems to have makes you wonder if they had any involvement in the other happenings at the Farm Market...robbery for example? Maybe Mr. Hoey isn't as dishonest as the township would like everyone to think...sounds like the township has an alternative motive. Sounds like a lynch mob!
Patrick M. Hoey
Thu, Oct 18, 2012 : 11:23 a.m.
A girl is paralyzed due to his neglect, he had no insurance that covered part time workers, even though all his employees are part time/seasonal workers. There is a list of violations he has failed to recognize and correct, common sense things, because he doesn't think any rules apply to him. This is nothing new, it has been going on for decades.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 7:56 p.m.
You're kidding, right?
unclemercy
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 7:27 p.m.
this is amazing.
judyblue
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 7:17 p.m.
Please leave this gentleman alone he is only trying to make a living.There are far more serious things to look at in the world, to worry about a country market.
clownfish
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:34 p.m.
Tell it to Ms Armbruster. She now has MUCH more serious concerns after her employment with Mr Hoey.
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 8:21 p.m.
So you condone the things he has been accused of? It is not a matter of condoning everything he has done. But go after him for legitimate reasons.It the township can't get it done that way let it be! It's like taking away someone drivers license because you don't like the way he rides a bike.
BOBBY
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 8:05 p.m.
this is this guys life! people keep attacking it like they have been then this poor man will be in the news for doing something stupid after he losses everything. haven't we seen enough of that?
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 7:57 p.m.
So you condone the things he has been accused of?
javajolt1
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:47 p.m.
OK. The guy has certainly been involved in a few things that could certainly be defined as 'unsavory' but this sounds like some officials have simply placed a target on his back. The idea is to get him (and others in similar circumstances) to comply with zoning and safety regulations. Not put him completely out of business.
EyeHeartA2
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:34 p.m.
The Stewart Beal of the West.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:22 p.m.
Mr. Hoey is obviously sitting back and laughing about all of the folks defending him on here. The whole operation is decrepit and dangerous. Ms. Armbruster's paralyzing accident should never have happened. The animals should not be mistreated. The traffic problems should not be tolerated. The food should not be unsafe. The building laws should not be ignored. People who have not lived in the area long or come here from out of town seem to be the ones who support this business and defend it. I'm sure many folks like a place to bring children despite safety concerns. Mr. Hoey's comments and actions over the years speak for themselves.
Laura Jones
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 6:40 p.m.
I am not on Burton's pity train. I am on the train that think the Township is a bit over reaching with this action and has at least one ego out of control working for them. That's the only train I am on.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:21 p.m.
No Laura, they are not wrong for wanting to shut the straw maze down. It creates a hazard. It would be called an "attractive nuisance" in legal terms though it becomes less attractive by the day. When a child does end up dead in the road, or smothered in the straw, will you still feel sorry for this man. Will you blame the government for not doing something about it. You do notice that none of the other fall venues are replicating his straw maze don't you? They don't want the liability or the possibility of children getting hurt. He, on the other hand doesn't care. He only wants the income. That intersection is one of the busiest in western Washtenaw County and no place for this type of "business". I will not get on Burton's Pity Train with the rest of you.
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 10:45 p.m.
Very well said Laura!
Laura Jones
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 10:32 p.m.
Ok, since it seems to matter to you, let me start by saying I have lived in Dexter for over 20 years. Now that we have that out of the way: The point is not that Burton doesn't have problems that should be addressed. The point is that the hay maze is not one of those problems, Legitimate issues are well worth pursuing, This simply is not one of them. Period. It matters very much that any government does not resort to harassing someone or think that they can do so without the glaring light of public opinion. This time its Burton, who is an easy target and hard to defend, but next time, it could be you. What then? Wrong is wrong, even when done against a jerk.
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 8:18 p.m.
Ever try to get out of the Westgate parking lot onto Jackson? They should shut it down!
Unusual Suspect
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 7:09 p.m.
I laugh every time Tesla posts.
Tesla
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:31 p.m.
When was the last time YOU...laughed?
Dexter Bear
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:59 p.m.
That's been there forever, and the township just now notices!? They just love to pick on Burton and this is just kicking him when he's down. Enjoying the great jam I picked up at Jenny's this week!!
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 7:58 p.m.
No, the township has not just noticed.
Honest Abe
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:49 p.m.
This place is a dump. Period!
leezee
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:29 p.m.
What is truly behind this vendetta against Jenny's Market? It feels like someone in the township has a personal reason for wanting the market gone.....and maybe it's one of the township officials?
dexterreader
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 1:10 p.m.
There is a LONG list of "incidents" going back many, many years. Do the research. I think the township has let it slide for years and has decided enough is enough.
clownfish
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:32 p.m.
Or... it could be his long list of violations, the fact that a young women was seriously injured (lifelong health issue!) at his business, the fact that his "robbery" had massive holes in the story and his long history of ignoring rules going back decades even before he had this market?
Tesla
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:42 p.m.
Needs to be investigated. Then reported.
Tesla
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:27 p.m.
Smacks of piling on if you ask me. Leave the poor guy alone. He is obviously on his way out. Sold the home, and they took most of his livestock. I hope this backfires on the Township like it should.
Hallmark
Sun, Oct 14, 2012 : 4:58 a.m.
I had no plans to make it out this year to Dexter to visit Jenny's but I'm filling a little motivation now.
G. Orwell
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:26 p.m.
Nanny state!
clownfish
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:30 p.m.
So you think the GOP controlled board is a nanny state wannabe?
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 8:16 p.m.
"Overused phrase." No more so than "if only those commenting had lived in Dexter for more than 2 years"!
G. Orwell
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:28 p.m.
I will use it as long as there is government tyranny.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:23 p.m.
Overused phrase.
Kitty O'Brien
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:18 p.m.
Years ago my friend's child got caught up on one of the ropes (that hold the bales together) around her NECK at Jenny's. Scariest moment of my life.
Nar
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 1:14 a.m.
jcj, I hope you took more precautions the next time.
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 8:15 p.m.
Years ago my son fell through the ice scary moment for me but I did not try to ban ice fishing!
ArthGuinness
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 3:47 p.m.
Webster voters can probably decide whose at fault here. I suspect that not many are impressed with the witchhunt.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:27 p.m.
jcj, no, I haven't. I only see people who are whining because they like to take their kids there, despite the conditions.
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 8:14 p.m.
justcurious Give it up! Have you not seen the number of post by LONGTIME Dexter residents?
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:25 p.m.
I think they just wonder (if they have been here more than a couple of years) why he is still there.
Mike
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 3:31 p.m.
The biggest nuisance in this story seem to be the township. They've got it out for this guy and have had it out for him ever since the young lady was hurt on the hayride. What if a corn maze caught on fire like the one off of Mast Road? Dry corn can burn too. The collapse theory is another over reach and they'll probably require him to have a structural engineer analyze it for thousands of dollars. What's next America? If we all sit by silently you'll have to wear a helmet to walk down the street some day and full body protection in case you get hit by a car or meteor..........
Mike
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 8 p.m.
justcurious - that can happen in front of your own house. What's your point?
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:29 p.m.
All it will take is one inattentive parent (and there are plenty of those down there) and a small child squirming through the split rail type fence into the busy traffic down there. The what will everyone think? Will they blame the parents because they couldn't be on both side of the hay mound at the same time?
Paul Wiener
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 3:24 p.m.
This sickening, continuing harrassment by small-minded local yahoos is disgusting and has only spurred me to give Jenny's Market more and more of my business.
Laura Jones
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 10:24 p.m.
There are legitimate complaints and issues with Jenny's Market. Be careful not to make this incursion somehow a white wash for all the others. This particular complaint has little merit in my opinion, but that is not the case with the others. Caveat emptor.
Tesla
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:29 p.m.
We should Cash Mob the place....lol They want a nuisance? Lets give them one and lets give him some business.
Judith Soth
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 3:18 p.m.
I'm sure the township is trying to avoid another tragedy. No one could have predicted the accident that happened last year, and the township is now vulnerable. If something horrible should happen, the parents would be wondering why the township didn't monitor him more closely. I lived for years down the street from him, and both my daughter's worked for him. I've heard a lot of stories about his business practices. Let's just say I don't go there.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:26 p.m.
Agreed.
forever blue
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 3:15 p.m.
Guess the Township should next outlaw all trees and the climbing in them by children. They certainly are more dangerous than this straw amaze. I live in Dexter, and for years have watched thousands of children enjoying this safely built maze. They love it and it is safier than most other things that children play on/in. Even at 230 pounds, I have laughingly gone through this maze, enjoying every moment of my adventure. People should climb on Burton's band wagon and congratulate him for keeping "some of the nice traditions of the 'good old days' alive". The local police , township and Humane Society seem to have a vendatta against Burton and Jenny's Market. Is it because everything he does is so "illegal" or is it because Burton fights back against many of their foolish demands? Let's start to control those things that really are dangerous. This straw amze is not one of them!
Rick Stevens
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 3:02 p.m.
I wonder how many of the posters here in favor of Hoey's wouldn't be bashing the township if something did happen with the maze and would be saying 'why didn't the township do something to have prevented this?'. Hoey's got signs up at several road junctions in neighboring townships right underneath the stop signs - nice distraction to drivers. And illegal. He just ignores rules and does what he feels like. Just read the long list of past incidents and it's easy to see what happens when he chooses to ignore common sense and laws. What will happen next and who will be hurt?
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 8:12 p.m.
"I wonder how many of the posters here in favor of Hoey's wouldn't be bashing the township if something did happen?" The Sky is falling! Yikes! You could find OSHA violations at the Dexter Mill The Cider Mill Mill Creek And many other supposedly upstanding township approved businesses!
Homeland Conspiracy
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 6:16 p.m.
I feel safer with Rick on the job
Tesla
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:31 p.m.
Yeah how did we survive without you so long...Rick.
Mike
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 3:32 p.m.
Thanks for protecting all of us Rick............
AESeaman
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 2:54 p.m.
Sounds to me like this is a confined space. A confined space is any space: • that has limited or restricted means of entry or exit; • is large enough for a person to enter to perform tasks; • and is not designed or configured for continuous occupancy According to the OSHA, a permit-required confined space (permit space) has the three characteristics listed above (which define a confined space) and one or more of the following: 1. Contains or has the potential to contain a hazardous atmosphere 2. Contains a material that has the potential for engulfing the entrant 3. Has an internal configuration that might cause an entrant to be trapped or asphyxiated by inwardly converging walls or by a floor that slopes downward and tapers to a smaller cross section 4. Contains any other recognized serious safety or health hazards. The question is, would I entrust the lives of my children to the engineering expertise of Burton Hoey? Nope.
nunya
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 1:48 a.m.
I'll start with #1. It does not have the potential to contain a hazardous atmosphere. So, it is not a confined space. A confined space is like going down a manhole where the air can be contaminated. Requires testing to make sure the air is not "poisoned" before entering. That is certainly not going to be the case unless it is already on fire. That would mean any structure that has the potential to burn is a confined space. #2 - Engulfed by straw? #3 - There are several exits. Again, unless the entire thing collapses which is I suppose is the point that is being argued here. #4 - no claim of any other hazards contained within. SO, while I don't blame you for not trusting his engineering expertise, this is not a fair application of confined space.
Tesla
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:32 p.m.
You must be a real hit at parties!
Mike
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 3:37 p.m.
Oh great, now we have an OSHA expert involved in this. Do you make your painter tie off when he paints your house? Does your plumber wear a hard hat when he works under your sink? Do you have the code required smoke detectors throughout your house? Don't go there and use the maze if you don't like it. He's had it for many years without incidence and now it is a big deal? Get a life and go bother someone else.
Smiley
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 2:54 p.m.
All I can say is some people have too much time on their hands. I wish I had time to worry about meaningless matters.
Nar
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 12:33 a.m.
Child safety is meaningless?
Homeland Conspiracy
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 2:41 p.m.
I think this is a classic case of harassment. Someone must want the land really bad, so they can build another drug store there.
dexterreader
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 1:05 p.m.
@YpsiYapper ... this is NOT a place without any problems for ages. You should do some research on its history .... all the way back to the time it opened.
YpsiYapper
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 1:56 a.m.
I just can not help but wonder how much the under the table price was to begin a harassment campaign. Little by little and "poof" a place without any problems for ages is suddenly the focus of code enforcement. Anyone that does not see right through this, I have a bridge for sale in NYC real cheap. You can install toll booths tomorrow !
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:27 p.m.
No Cinnabar, the goat farm is coming but not on that piece of property. Defend all you want but don't try to have any business dealings with him. You'll get bit in the you know what.
cinnabar7071
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:40 p.m.
Can you say goat farm, people in the know can.
Rosie Lemons
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 2:26 p.m.
My kids LOVED that straw maze. I loved going there and am sorry my kids are now too old. While I have no love for Mr. Hoey, I do think these allegations are unfounded. My oldest is now 19. We went every year for probably 10 or 12 years with no problems, often going in with the kids.
Ron Granger
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 2:16 p.m.
A woman was paralyzed at this business due to an accident that probably could have been prevented with better safety inspections, and oversight. That accident could have been much worse if the wagon had over-turned. The suggestion that other safety concerns should be ignored just so this man can continue to make a profit is absurd.
dexterreader
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 1:03 p.m.
I would be willing to bet the majority of patrons are from out of town or new to the area and do not know the history surrounding the place.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:29 p.m.
Ron, unfortunately, many folks seem to have bought into the "poor Burton" mentality due to ignorance of the past 45 years of local history.
dfossil
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 2:13 p.m.
Clearly this is a Township harassing a resident in every way they can come up with. Forcing Hoey to defend himself from the anonymous Township who use tax payer moneys to attack him in court. The Township only pays lip service to "safety" when trying to get away with this!
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 7:39 p.m.
justcurious There are PLENTY of commentors here that HAVE been going to the maze for YEARS. So your argument that everyone must be from somewhere else is MALARKEY!
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:30 p.m.
And where do you live? And how long have you lived around here?
Ron Granger
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 2:13 p.m.
Hoey "scoffed at the suggestion that what he calls a "haunted straw maze" isn't safe" History demonstrates, time and again, that Hoey has zero credibility when it comes to what is, and what is not, "safe".
walker101
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 2:09 p.m.
Taking examples from our current administration, they just want to control all.
CincoDeMayo
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 12:20 p.m.
haha. Love it Clownfish. Thanks for the info.
clownfish
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:27 p.m.
John Kingsley:Supervisor-Republican Carol Whitney: Treasurer- Republican John Westman: Trustee- Republican Charles Estleman: Trustee- Republican
Unusual Suspect
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:52 p.m.
There are many people like me who won't let their kids go in that maze. Go in there some time and look at the plywood sagging from the weight above it. Stand there some time and figure out how long it will take you to get to your kid if it collapses, when at the same time all the other parents are climbing all over it to get tho their kids, and throwing straw from the hole they're trying to dig into the hole you're trying to dig? Think about it - what is the rain doing to the plywood over time? How much weight is the plywood holding, especially once the bales of straw take on moisture and 50 kids on top of them? How are the bales - and the plywood they're holding - shifting over time as the compress and decompose? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggie_Bonfire
Kitty O'Brien
Mon, Oct 15, 2012 : 1:58 a.m.
Rained hard all weekend and the straw maze was never covered, even at night.
Jim Osborn
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 2:26 p.m.
Are you saying that adults are allowed to climb on top of this contraption while kids are inside of it? If so, then it needs to be at a much higher level of strength than if it were just to slowly fall down under its own weight. An adult could make it sudden and quadruple the weight. A big difference.
Kitty O'Brien
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:22 p.m.
The corn maze is NOT covered every time it rains. That is false. Quite false.
Laura Jones
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 3 p.m.
Just to note, the maze is covered with a tarp during the rain, at least when I have driven by it in the rain.
hail2thevict0r
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:49 p.m.
Why don't they just tell them to close or move the stand - it's obvious that this is the direction the township is moving towards.
Goober
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:35 p.m.
It seems to me that the township hates Jenny's Market.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:31 p.m.
Many of us do.
Laura Jones
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:20 p.m.
On this one, they have gone too far, passing from legitimate issue into vendetta. Simply by virtue of the fact that that straw maze has been erected and played in for about 15 years, without incident, and most importantly without complaint or legal action from the township. Did I mention that it has been erected every year for 15+ years without complaint or legal action from the township? What changed other than the attitude of the township? All the careful work they have done to address issues with Jenny's Market has just received a sharp blow - from themselves. Now it does look like a vendetta. Nice work over reaching - makes you wonder who it is with the incredible ego issues at the township.
Hallmark
Sun, Oct 14, 2012 : 5:08 a.m.
Are you one of the Webster twp board memebers Just Curious? You seem to be the only one on this board agreeing with this witch hunt.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:31 p.m.
I beg to disagree.
xmo
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:19 p.m.
Using this logic we need to shut down gas stations and lumber yards also! ""A single cigarette butt could ignite this thing.""
Nar
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 12:18 a.m.
Let's take all the fire alarms and sprinklers out of the schools and theaters, while we're at it. We might as well just burn our trash in our back yards -- there's no hazard there. I don't even have 20 kids playing in my back yard. And the safety valves and tanks that keep the gas in cars away from the drivers, those cost too much. The old Mustang "human french fry" machine was great. The laws we have are because of unscrupulous business owners and administrators who could care less about putting people at risk.
Mark
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:03 p.m.
It's not a nuisance. The township is wrong. If they want the business to fail, they'll need to find another way to do it. Hopefully the judge they get is a fair one.
Mark
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 4:27 a.m.
Actually I do. I'm referring to the hay maze. It's not a nuisance. I think the township wants to see it gone or under new ownership. There's a real history there. I hope the judge on this issue is a fair one because the hay maze is fine, but judges sometimes have an ax to grind, too. Do you wish for an unfair judge? I think there are problems with the market. It's not a place I really go to, but this is not the issue that should break the camel's back. The straw maze? Really? Next it will be too many pumpkins--they distract drivers and create a driving hazard.
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:32 p.m.
I guess you don't live near it.
Donald A. DeSmith
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:01 p.m.
I drive by there several times a week. I think whole operation is a hazard and an accident waiting to happen. Sight distance is very limited. There are little kids very close to the road. It scares me every time I drive by. I believe in the free market and own a small business. So I don't like big government controlling everything (as it is wont to do). I started driving tractors when I was 6 years old and would do it again, so I am not scared of my shadow. But there is a place for public safety to play a role. And if there was ever a place that some concern for public safety, this is it. Some of the comments on this article might change if a 3 year old is run down by a car. Every year I expect to see that in the paper.
Donald A. DeSmith
Wed, Oct 17, 2012 : 5:59 p.m.
This may be the first time in my life that I have been charged with being a big-government liberal!
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 7:31 p.m.
Donald If a 3 year old is run down in the Busches parking lot I hope they close it down! If and But
justcurious
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:33 p.m.
Laura said "Except there are fences and above all parents, who are responsible. " Right.....only responsible parents go to Jennys.
Laura Jones
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:26 p.m.
Except there are fences and above all parents, who are responsible. The kids do not stray into the street - that I have ever seen in 20 years. They want to be in or on the hay - not the street. Could a car enter the area by accident - sure. Same thing could happen on the sidewalk in town too. The problems with that corner have more to do with the city fathers refusing to create a by-pass, despite reports years ago telling us that there would be more traffic than the train viaduct could handle. So we have ridiculous back ups and too many cars for the tiny corner.
dexterreader
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:34 p.m.
I have lived in the area for years and travel Island Lake Rd. almost daily. It has been a nuisance since day one, mainly in the fall. Other times of the year aren't quite so bad. There is not enough off-street parking, so in the fall people park along the sides of Island Lake and Dexter-Pinckney Rds. They step into the street to get into/out of vehicles. People fly through that intersection and the speed limit is 55 mph on Island Lake Rd. at that point (it is unposted after the intersection). I am honestly surprised someone has never been killed along there. There are little children everywhere and no fences. For years, he drove the horse-drawn hay "wagons" on Island Lake Road oblivious to vehicle traffic. I cannot wait for Halloween to be over every year so the craziness will end. I'm willing to bet the majority of people who frequent that place come from out of town and have no idea of the history surrounding it. Too bad.
Mick52
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:11 p.m.
I drive Island Lake Rd daily and I would like to know how you figure the speed limit is 55.
Laura Jones
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:28 p.m.
I know the history, but when my kids were small, there most favorite activity was the hay maze. I appreciate the farm has issues - but this is not one of them.
Mark
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:01 p.m.
@dexterreader You're talking about the farm in general and how it bothers you. The issue here is the straw maze, which is not a nuisance.
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:59 p.m.
Too bad you have to be in such a hurry that you find in a pain to slow down for anyone!
Ypsiiii
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:50 p.m.
You sound like the Ebenezer Scrooge of Halloween
clownfish
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:30 p.m.
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/viewart/20121003/NEWS/121003020/Fire-Idaho-Falls-straw-maze-causes-100K-damage?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home
Goober
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:38 p.m.
I do agree that they need to keep an eye on the kids smoking while crawling through the maze. Maybe educate the kids to snuff out all butts before crawling.
OLDTIMER3
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:43 p.m.
Those were entirely different straw bales. Hoey's straw bales weigh app. 40 to 55 pounds each not 1 ton bales . Which suggest they were the big round bales. I don't know if Hoey has no smoking signs around the maze or not but MOST people would be smart enough not to be smoking around straw or any farm buildinds .
Billy
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:14 p.m.
Look....I'm not the biggest fan of all the scummy things that have been going on at that "farm" in the past couple years....but this just SMACKS of a witch-hunt now.
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:38 p.m.
Agreed.
Brad
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:36 p.m.
Ditto.
Craig Lounsbury
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:23 p.m.
well said, i agree 100% with your entire comment.
clownfish
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:11 p.m.
I know Bruce and I know Burton. I would take Bruces word any day over Burtons. Burton is trying to run a business without having to abide by the rules all other businesses have to abide by. Already one person is suffering the life long consequences of his "safe" work environment, do we need another to satisfy those that think that society needs no rules?
jcj
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:38 p.m.
If he is not abiding by the rules it will be decided in court. If Mr Pindzia is so trust worthy, why would he say they have not been allowed to inspect it? ANYONE can stop and go in the maze! I don't trust either one of them! BUT then there are MANY business owners that are jerks that do not get harassed like this.
Ivor Ivorsen
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:02 p.m.
Jenny's could be a great place for families this time of year, and I suspect that it probably once was a nice little place to get a pumpkin, sip cider, and watch the kids scamper through the hay bales. But these days Jenny's is a sad mess. Most of the structures on the property are in an advanced state of decay, held together by nothing more than layers of hastily applied yellow paint. Everywhere you see rotting rails and boards wired together, junk heaped up out back of the main building, and just an accumulated filthiness that cannot be painted over or easily shoveled away.
Laura Jones
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 2:57 p.m.
With all due respect in return, please note that if the hay maze is a symptom, them Jenny's Market is just fine. Doesn't seem to me your argument holds water when one looks at the facts. If the business is on the decline for legal reasons, it needs to be dealt with on actual issues - not ones pulled out of the air. The chicken coop, the animals, those were legitimate issues. This is most certainly not. Further more, it sets a very bad precedent. Wave goodbye to any more hay mazes in the township if this prosecution goes forward. The township has gone over the edge here from legitimate investigation to petty fiction.
Ivor Ivorsen
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:51 p.m.
With all due respect, the hay maze is just a symptom of a larger problem. This business is near the end of its life, and we can hope that no more animals or people are harmed as it declines. I understand the nostalgia, but this place has become an unsafe, unsightly dump.
Laura Jones
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:29 p.m.
The only issue here is the hay maze. The hay maze is none of the things you describe.
music to my ear
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:58 a.m.
ok I realize the maze is a mess, but there is something else going on, its like Dexter will do all they can to shut this guy down. could it be another competitor pressuring the city, does anyone from Dexter have any insight to this Hoey battle. let us know.
music to my ear
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:39 p.m.
sorry ferdcom in the past when I visit jenny's market I in my head associated this market as going to Dexter so does Webster township have a qualm about jenny's market to your knowledge.hum
clownfish
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:37 p.m.
Mr Hoey has a LONG history of ignoring rules. Every other business owner in the area has to abide by regulations and ordinances to stay in business. Hoeys list of violations is quite long, he cannot even submit a simple drawing of his layout for permit applications. One of his ex-employees is paralyzed because of lax safety standards, it is likely that the taxpayers will be the ones footing the bills she will incur throughout her life. Alexanders Farm Market does not seem to have the issues Hoey does. Mr Hoey is not a victim, he is another accident waiting to happen, IMHO.
ferdcom
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:35 p.m.
This has nothing to do with Dexter. The farm is in Webster Township. Read before you post, please.
CPLtownie
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:19 p.m.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/zingermans-roadhouse-chef-expands-farm-with-purchase-of-land-adjacent-to-jennys-market/
onemoreminute
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:55 a.m.
Not a fan of this guy, considering the care he takes of his animals, but this just smacks of the township doing whatever they can to get rid of him. Like him or not, this doesn't seem fair.
CPLtownie
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:51 a.m.
Agree with the harassment of a business that's been hosting the straw maze for as long as I've lived in MI (16 years). I wonder if they have an eye on that property for some other business use and are forcing issues hoping they could condemn the current one. But then, I'm sure the township has purely altruistic meaning. It's "For The Children's" sake, after all. Let the kids play, have fun, and have a little natural escapism. Maybe kids wouldn't turn to other means of escapism so much then.
clownfish
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:43 p.m.
Too funny, Zing bought the land FROM BURTON!!! Burtons history of ignoring rules dates back long before Zing purchased the land.
Billy
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:28 p.m.
NICE!!!! The first thing I thought of you when mentioned if anyone else was eyeing the land was Zingermans. That corner would be an absolutely AMAZING location as a retail outlet for their goods. That is such a major vein....it gets SO MUCH TRAFFIC every day. If it's not zingermans then it's SOMEONE who wants that corner....so whatever goes up on that corner if drive Hoey out will be the guilty party.
music to my ear
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:01 p.m.
so they are trying to get rid of his market,
CPLtownie
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:56 a.m.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/zingermans-roadhouse-chef-expands-farm-with-purchase-of-land-adjacent-to-jennys-market/
Jeffersonian Liberal
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:47 a.m.
How about just citing him for putting crap at the end of the drive obstructing a clear view of the road. I don't know how many times that I've had to avoid someone pulling out of this joint.
Laura Jones
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:33 p.m.
Yeah, sorry, I don't think so. we must live in alternate worlds because I drive by there several times a day and there is NO area that is obstructed or impeding reasonable traffic navigation. If you are speaking about the end of the driveways. still not buying it.
M-Wolverine
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:02 p.m.
clownfish, it's obvious he meant "when passing by" the farm, not when trying to pass a car there. There's no need to pass someone pulling out of a drive. It's visual obstruction Jefferson was talking about, and OLDT is just telling him to slow down if he knows people pull out there. It seems like you have a dog in this hunt with all the comments and attacking a perfectly reasonable comment.
clownfish
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:42 p.m.
OLDT- there is NO passing at the market location, it is on a 3 way corner. Have you ever been there?
OLDTIMER3
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:34 p.m.
You know it is there so SLOW DOWN when passing.
chelseami
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:39 a.m.
Unbelievable!! The township has way too much time on their hands. Why doesn't Pindzia check out the maze? He doesn't need permission, it is open to anyone. Next, the township will tell Hoey he needs to pave his parking lot. I would agree with the hayrides stopping. We flew in the air on it and of course never did it again.
motorcycleminer
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:31 a.m.
This is just the typical result when the OZ mentality moves like an ameba out from under the dome...as it oozes west and south its insanity go's with it and pollutes everything it crosses ...I'm sure the old farmers in dexter cemetary are rolling over in their graves at this nonsense...
clownfish
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:40 p.m.
Many of the "old farmers" in the area have no respect at all for Mr Hoey. I have lived in the area my entire life, upon what do you make your assumptions/generalizations?
smokeblwr
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:37 p.m.
The rubes need our money, so stop making fun of us city slickers.
CPLtownie
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:57 a.m.
The oozing already started. For when the munchkins want to have a "Country Experience" http://www.annarbor.com/news/zingermans-roadhouse-chef-expands-farm-with-purchase-of-land-adjacent-to-jennys-market/
Greggy_D
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:25 a.m.
Three Cedar Farms all over again. The township obviously has too much time on their hands.
ChrisW
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:21 a.m.
Seems like the township officials are the public nuisance.
Moundshroud
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:12 a.m.
This sounds like a Witch Hunt.
Nar
Sat, Oct 13, 2012 : 12:29 a.m.
... and we know how much witches like children.
Tesla
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 5:37 p.m.
Well it IS Halloween after all. :)
djacks24
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 3:20 p.m.
It really does. this poor guy can't catch a break. Once he doesn't have the bullseye on his butt anymore than who's going to carry it next?
mkm17
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:10 a.m.
Is the Township unfairly targeting Mr. Hoey and his operation? I can't tell. But it sure seems that this business is in the news often. Vigilance and enforcement are good, but they need to be uniform.
NoPC
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 11:09 a.m.
Sounds like a lynch mob from the Township...
Patrick M. Hoey
Thu, Oct 18, 2012 : 11:29 a.m.
@jns131 Well, he has a 60+ year streak of being a disgusting human being with no regard for anyone but himself. Apart from that, I can't think of anything he has ever done wrong.
jns131
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 9:23 p.m.
I could not agree more. Might as well put a nail in his coffin. What has he ever done to desire this? I am wondering if there is a developer that wants his land and is jinxing this. Good luck.
Craig Lounsbury
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:52 p.m.
it does seem they are piling on at this point.
Nick
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 10:52 a.m.
I have taken my children to this maze every year for 8 years. I grew up on a farm. The maze is entirely accessible to adults, and indeed adults are constantly going into it. I am a large man and go in every year. There are multiple exits, and they are available from the central hub of the maze. This is *not* a maze. It has three or four tunnels leading to a central space. It is impossible for that maze to collapse as built. It is built of bales of straw and bales of that type have incredible structural strength. In addition the straw is supported by heavy posts, and heavy plywood. Straw in that configuration burns badly. I have seen it. It is a slow moving fire with lots of fragrant smoke. The bales simply will not burn. They might smolder. The point is that there would be a lot of time to evacuate the children, plenty of exits for them, plenty of room for adults to go in and check, and no place inside to hide nor get lost.
cinnabar7071
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 4:13 p.m.
Well if calling it unsafe doesn't work, maybe they can say it's causing globle warming. This is just crazy, leave these people alone!
PattyinYpsi
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 1:40 p.m.
Nice to hear from someone who actually knows something about it. God protect us from those who deem every single thing in the known universe a "safety hazard."
missmisery
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 10:24 a.m.
It sounds like the local children are enjoying it. I hope the court order doesn't take it down.
Patrick M. Hoey
Thu, Oct 18, 2012 : 11:28 a.m.
Maybe he should build it to be safer, or relocate it to another area. If it's for the benefit of the kids, taking one look at it will tell anyone with common sense that it is a poorly constructed pile of watersoaked hay. Considering he has had it up for "15 to 20 years", why not make a little investment to have the tunnels larger? It's 2X4s and hay bales, how much would it really cost a real "farmer" to construct something a bit better?
Homeland Conspiracy
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 2:41 p.m.
So are cars Useless
Useless
Fri, Oct 12, 2012 : 12:47 p.m.
I hope they take it down - it is a death trap.