Ricebrnr

Wed, Mar 17, 2010 : 11:54 a.m.

@ Malorie, you're welcome. I must do my part to correct misunderstandings and outright lies. Also, one more note on the McDonalds comment. Just recently an armed gang of criminals chose to not rob a waffle house because 2 customers were in fact carrying pistols on their hips. http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atlanta-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d18-Open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-in-Kennesaw Proof to all the anecdotal evidence that criminals tend to prefer disarmed victims to armed ones. Wierd huh?

M.

Wed, Mar 17, 2010 : 11:02 a.m.

So, it's the person who ordered the pizza who then robs the delivery driver? If that's the case then was there any information that he gave to both pizza shops (name, phone number, type of order) that matched? Not necessarily meaning it's the CORRECT info, but if he always gives his false name as George and always orders 3 deep dish pizzas, then other shops could alert the police if they recieve a similar order. Ricebrnr thank you for keeping people informed on gun laws. Too many people assume things and listen to fear induced rumors.

Ricebrnr

Wed, Mar 17, 2010 : 9:21 a.m.

@ linuxtuxguy, if one has a Concealed Pistol License you CAN carry it concealed, loaded and on your person in a vehicle. The situation as you describe it applies to those transporting a pistol WITHOUT a license. @ Atticus F. Funny how your argument is often argued but never seen from the flip side. How many businesses are sued for not providing suitable security for the public or employees? You mostly hear about such cases from crime victims suing landlords for not enough lighting or creating other opportunities for criminals. I would be very surprised if there isn't a suit in the future for exactly this issue (disarmed victims). Also I walk into gun stores all the time with employees who have guns on their hips. I feel safer there than just about anywhere else in the state. How about a Police station? Not there often but feel perfectly safe. Gun shows? Not worried about being robbed in the parking lot I can tell you. As for McDonalds, unfortunately for them most employees are under the age "allowed" to carry. Disarming lawful citizens does not disarm criminals. It only provides criminals with a defenseless target rich environment. Why would anyone feel safer there?

Joe Babcock

Tue, Mar 16, 2010 : 3:49 p.m.

The guy probably lives in the area (near State and Hoover). Less than 1.5 hours apart and roughly 2 blocks away from each other. It doesn't take an hour and a half to walk 2 blocks and why would he stay so close to the original theft if he didn't live there? This should be a fairly easy case for the crack A2 police detectives to solve. :)

dading dont delete me bro

Tue, Mar 16, 2010 : 3:13 p.m.

atticus, properly concealed (in michigan concealed MEANS concealed) how do you know who is and who isn't concealing? aside from a wardrobe malfunction, no one know's when i do or don't have a 'piece' stashed in my shorts.

Atticus F.

Tue, Mar 16, 2010 : 3:03 p.m.

It can aslo be considered a liability for a buisness to allow an employee to carry a gun. If some unstable empoyee shot someone in a fit of road rage, the company might be held responsible. How would you feel if you walked into Mcdonalds, and every empolyee in there was carrying a gun? I certainly wouldn't feel any safer.

linuxtuxguy

Tue, Mar 16, 2010 : 2:46 p.m.

Malorie, even if the delivery person had a license to carry a concealed weapon and their boss allowed it, that license would not allow them to carry it on their person in the car. They would have to store it in the trunk without its ammo. So, they would have to walk out of the car around to their trunk, load the ammo in the gun, and then put it on themselves before each and every delivery. And then do the reverse to put it back in the trunk each and every time they were done making a delivery. That is if I understand the current law correctly.

Angela

Tue, Mar 16, 2010 : 1:48 p.m.

@Rollee: you just made my day! Thank you! @djm: Well said.

Ricebrnr

Tue, Mar 16, 2010 : 1:42 p.m.

Malorie, you make some very good points and yes the business owner get to make these rules due to private property rights and a contract between you and them. You want to work for them you have to follow their rules. It does not matter if their rules make no sense and the Constitution only limits the government against infringing on individual rights. There have been several bills that were in process regarding lawful carry on campus and in parking lots that would've helped somewhat but they timed out last session. The new session just recently openned. I'd highly recommend contacting your Representatives and getting as many people as you can to do the same and let them know your (our) concerns. You should also check out the Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners site (MCRGO.ORG) for more information on those bills. Also consider attending the NRA Grasroots event at Cabelas this weekend for more info on what you can do. http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/view/news.asp?articleid=4917&zoneid=7

Dark Dichotomy

Tue, Mar 16, 2010 : 1:22 p.m.

I like how they made sure to mention that they were delivering 3 deep dish pizzas. I really needed to know what had been ordered when this robbery took place, but why don't they tell us the toppings. I mean it might have made all the difference if those pizzas had extra cheese...

djm12652

Tue, Mar 16, 2010 : 12:26 p.m.

If someone wants to rob me without using a weapon, I'd say go ahead...but if someone tries to rob me using a weapon, I'd pull mine and make it a fair fight. I find it difficult to understand the corporate mentality by allowing individuals to make cash deposits. A half hour additional wages for someone to escort that individual could save a lot of headaches due to the situation of the bank deposit dropper being robbed.

dading dont delete me bro

Tue, Mar 16, 2010 : 11:55 a.m.

job or my life? guess which one i'd chose ms.malorie?

M.

Tue, Mar 16, 2010 : 11:26 a.m.

Delivery drivers rarely carry more than 20 dollars (for change) on them unless it's their personal cash, but they're still often seen as good opportunites for thieves. Did you know that most food and delivery businesses don't allow employees to carry their handgun for self defense when they have a carry permit? I don't think you'd get in trouble for keeping it in your trunk, but it won't do you much good there either. I'm a small female (5'2) and as a (former) manager at Jimmy John's, I had to walk the deposit a few blocks to the bank every night. Thankfully I was never robbed, but I wish I would have had the ability to protect myself without losing my job if I had been. Two weeks after I left Jimmy John's, the girl who took over my shifts was robbed (and fortunately not physically injured). Is it even constitutional for a business to make that rule? Does it have to do with it (usually) being the business owner's private property? I understand that some specific businesses (bars and government buildings for example) don't allow it, but none of the reasons they are banned in those buildings apply to a ban in places of employment where you're carrying sums of money outside the workplace.