7 people found trespassing in Michigan Stadium with alcohol and marijuana
It might be a time-honored tradition to break into The Big House and run around on the field, but an illegal trip to the Ann Arbor landmark ended in handcuffs early Wednesday.
Six University of Michigan students and one visitor were found with alcohol and marijuana on the turf of Michigan Stadium, according to police.
Seven people broke into Michigan Stadium Wednesday morning. Marijuana and alcohol were found on some of the people, which included six students.
Melanie Maxwell | AnnArbor.com
Police stated all seven were cited for unlawful entry. One student was arrested for minor in possession of alcohol, a second student was arrested for an MIP and possession of suspected marijuana and a third student was arrested for failure to provide identification.
All seven people were processed and released pending warrant authorization from the Washtenaw County Prosecutor’s Office, according to police.
With students returning to campus this week, there's already a trickle of overly intoxicated people needing treatment.
Three people were taken to the hospital early Wednesday morning after drinking too much, police said.
One person was taken at 3:02 a.m. Wednesday from Bursley Hall, 1931 Duffield St. and a second was taken at 3:10 a.m. from Mary Markley Residence Hall, 1503 Washington Heights, to University of Michigan Hospital’s emergency room. Both of those individuals were minors but were not cited for MIPs, according to police.
The third intoxicated person was taken from the 600 block of Oxford Street to U-M Hospital for treatment at 3:55 a.m. Wednesday, according to police.
Kyle Feldscher covers cops and courts for AnnArbor.com. He can be reached at kylefeldscher@annarbor.com or you can follow him on Twitter.
Comments
Greg
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 9:45 p.m.
Who would have guessed, U of M students with alcohol and pot. What were they thinking - perhaps trying to uphold the schools traditions.
Basic Bob
Sat, Aug 31, 2013 : 4:10 a.m.
Take away their student IDs and they would be prison fodder for the courts.
Anthony
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 5:16 p.m.
"Failure to provide identification" Welcome to the police state, may I see your papers?
MRunner73
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 2:13 p.m.
I can recall the North end zone entrance to the Big House being opened during the work week in the early 2000s or about 10 years ago. I took my parents in there for a quick look see. We walked through without any problem. Walked into the stadium and looked out over the field from the inside, about the row 80 level, walked back out. My father said at the time, " at least I was here." This had occurred before 9/11. Times have changed and signs are posted. My advice, don't go where you don't belong. Given security being increased more , nobody should enter without formal permission.
you can't handle the truth
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 1:29 p.m.
I remember as a kid running around on the field after Fab 5 games at Crisler. No gates. Ahh the good ol' days. Back to my rocking chair yelling at kids to get off the lawn...
mady
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 1:40 p.m.
That may be a cool pastime, yelling "damn kids get off my lawn!", maybe have the ol' garden hose at the ready in case they don't listen!
Nicholas Urfe
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 1:06 p.m.
How did they enter the Stadium? Did they just walk through an open gate? It's odd that the police report did not mention that, and it makes me think it was unlocked. If a gate was open, they should not have been cited for trespass, given the long history of that being allowed. The booze and weed were very bad judgement.
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:57 p.m.
The law does not disappear if a gate or door is open or unlocked. Same thing would hold true for you home if your door was open. I see nothing in this story that says they were cited for trespass. Warrants are being sought for illegal entry, the appropriate offense here.
MRunner73
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 2:14 p.m.
Your are right and the point is, someone associated with the stadium detail should be accountable for the gates being opened, even if by mistake.
LXIX
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 1:20 a.m.
We are big M people no The top of the world 1% elite We have beat the lesser competition to get here and can now revel in our success. Throw up a little " we are the Big house stars now " party. Big adults free to do as we please. Freeeee Oh oh. MOM!!!
hmsp
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 1:14 a.m.
@ what4, re: " No wonder today's kids are a mess." Oh, come on! It's all selective memory. Some changes are positive, some are negative, but did you know that they were saying, "... today's kids are a mess," back in ancient Greece? And I'm not making that up! Google it!
golfer
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 11:32 p.m.
let the fun begin. can not wait until may 2014.
jjc155
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 11:20 p.m.
Sounds like the big chill.
Michigan Man
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 11:09 p.m.
Got busted myself for MIP in the fall of 1967 - and I turned out OK!
Jaime Magiera
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 10:07 p.m.
Hopefully, the experiences of the three who got sick will be related to their friends and inspire some restraint. The students here have never been very good at casual drinking it seems. The focus is on quantity and getting obliterated vs. slight amounts to lubricate interactions. When I see the really intoxicated students on the street, it's clear their communication with each other is hindered, not helped. I realize the binge drinking is part of the culture. However, when I was in college, being incoherent, or trying to interact with people who were incoherent, was more annoying than fun.
Woman in Ypsilanti
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 9:14 p.m.
I feel bad that kids today don't have the same freedom I used to have a kid. There were lots of times when we would go there and play frisbee on the field or sit and drink beers and smoke pot in the stands. *sigh* I guess those really were the good old days back when the UofM was more of community asset and not locked down as it is now.
Woman in Ypsilanti
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 2:27 p.m.
I suspect that it is more related to 9/11 but if you want to blame pot smokers, I guess I can't stop you.
Indymama
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 3:19 a.m.
Sorry, should have been "your" pot at home
Indymama
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 3:19 a.m.
Well, you pot smokers from the past are partly why we have everything locked down now!! Keep you pot at home!!!
An Arborigine
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 9:08 p.m.
Those used to be called walk ons
arborani
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 2 p.m.
Amen to craigjjs.
craigjjs
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 12:25 p.m.
Wow. Both of you shoot and score. LOL.
a2citizen
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 10:53 p.m.
...and had they stayed they would have been called champions.
ChrisW
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 8:58 p.m.
Maybe they just arrived at the stadium early because of Brandon's new festival seating system.
quetzalcoatl
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 8:57 p.m.
Somebody explain to me how arresting drunk teen-agers helps the fight against terrorism. I have lost the thread somewhere.
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:54 p.m.
It has nothing to do with terrorism, it is enforcing the law. The explanation is, you do not pick and choose who you prosecute. To do so is unfair. And you cannot properly explain how one person was charged for a crime while another was not.
loser
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 8:24 p.m.
remove the word 'trespassing' in the headline and re-use for sunday's edition.
a2citizen
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 10:52 p.m.
Yes, a pixel is a terrible thing to waste.
Life is good in Ann Arbor
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 8 p.m.
Wow. Imagine the faces of the parents of those students when they got that phone call. Drop off your kid at school, they get arrested within hours of being in town. Awful and awfully funny.
craigjjs
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 12:23 p.m.
Then having to drive all the way back just for the purpose of kicking little Junior in the rear. Do student loans cover gas?
PeteM
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:58 p.m.
My understanding is that 40 years ago you could drink and smoke during games. Maybe they're just '70s reenactors.
a2citizen
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 10:51 p.m.
Beer runs ? We use to take coolers into the stadium. And I'm not going to another game until they allow coolers again.
leaguebus
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 10:11 p.m.
And with the beer store across the street on Main, Beer runs at halftime were we're frequent.
Jello Biafra
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 8:35 p.m.
40 years ago? More like 20 years ago.
Elaine F. Owsley
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:44 p.m.
In my day, the stadium was a huge hole in the ground ringed with seats. You had to walk to the edge to see down to the football field.
Indymama
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 3:15 a.m.
My Aunt lived in the house next door on S. Main St. On football Saturdays, Mother would take us (4 children ) to her house and then at Half time we could get in free to hear and watch the band(s) play and stay for the 2nd half of the game. When visiting relatives/friends came to AA the Stadium was one place we would take them...and yes, you could get inside and walk around the bleachers. I don't remember being on the field, but many great memories of being in the stands!
what4
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 11:47 p.m.
It was wonderful! In the morning I'd go pick apples at the Poineer's orchard on MIller at Zeeb, make a couple of dollars and pay 50 cents to get into the stadium after half time. All gone. No wonder today's kids are a mess.
David
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:58 p.m.
cool
Honest Abe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:39 p.m.
Do these 7 people have anything to do with the 7 changes Wolverine fans can expect?
Tom Teague
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 8:47 p.m.
I suspect it's a coincidence. But it's a fun thought that, if John Bunyan had written the story, their names would have been Grand Marquee, Street Closure, Fresh Paint, etc. etc.
B. Jean
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:10 p.m.
I believe the Stadium is located at South Main Street not North Main. I know, picky picky.
Kyle Feldscher
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:22 p.m.
Nope, B., you are absolutely right. As someone who drives past that place almost every day, I should probably have realized that before hitting submit. Thanks for pointing it out.
Eduard Copely
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 6:46 p.m.
Back in my day we didn't have gates or locks on the stadium, people could party on the 50 yard line anytime. Sadly, those days are long gone and the police state is here to stay.
hmsp
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 6:12 p.m.
@ Harn Rashes, re: "Michigan Stadium used to be open at all hours." Another casualty of 9/11. Up until then I'd take the kids there all the time. On a rainy day, you could ride your bikes around the stadium on the walkways under the top row seats and stay dry. Plenty of touch football games there when I was a kid, too.
dsponini
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 12:08 p.m.
yep back in the late 70's/early 80's when I was a student at Eberwhite Elementary we'd ride our bikes around the stadium before we'd go run around the field...
djacks24
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 6:08 p.m.
"With students returning to campus this week, there's already a trickle of overly intoxicated people needing treatment." Getting an early start. At least they're not procrastinators.
Mr. Ed
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 6:31 p.m.
High achievers
Haran Rashes
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 6:03 p.m.
Back in day when i was an undergrad..... Michigan Stadium used to be open at all hours. We would go in there to run the steps or even play a little touch football and dream we were on the team.
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:51 p.m.
It is inappropriate to blame "police state" on concerns by the university to keep the largest crowd of people on a football Saturday safe after terrorist attacks on the USA on 9/11 and at this years Boston Marathon. Haran, it is now a sign of the times unfortunately. Not sure what your times were, but for decades that place was locked up at night and if it wasn't it was a mistake by who was supposed to lock it up.
craigjjs
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 12:20 p.m.
Really Eduard, prohibiting drunks, graffiti artists, motorbike riders and the rest of the public from freely accessing the Big House constitutes a Police State?
a2cents
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 1:15 a.m.
JGA... sacred? Have you ever seen the truckloads of trash deposited in and around that hallowed ground after a service? Gimme a break! Fans are disgusting louts.
JGA2trueblue
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 8:21 p.m.
Keep the public and the destructive disrespectful students and glorified graffiti criminals away from that which is held sacred and good people take great pains to keep clean and secure! Michigan Stadium SHOULD be closed to the public. The general public today stands for trouble. I too was able to go in and sit and enjoy the empty majestic stadium and it's peaceful magnitude. If the gates were left open, there would not be one seat or inch of turf left. I too long for the good old days. Sorry to say - that is now long ago and will never again exist.
Eduard Copely
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 6:47 p.m.
Welcome to the Police State.
John of Saline
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 6:18 p.m.
I was wondering about that, too. You could at the very least wander around the stands as much as you wanted. That's no longer the case?
a2xarob
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 5:57 p.m.
They didn't read the book: http://www.annarbor.com/news/opinion/welcome-students-1/
UloveM
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 5:54 p.m.
Will these students be allowed to attend classes next week? Will these students be prohibited to enter the big house from now on?
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:47 p.m.
Yes to classes and probably yes to entry-if they are authorized to enter during times the stadium is open to authorized people. No damage done so to bar them would be a little much.
craigjjs
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 12:16 p.m.
Beats me. I don't care if they go to classes, but see no reason why they should be prohibited from doing so. I suppose they are prohibited from entering the Big House after midnight with alcohol and pot.
WalkingJoe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 5:45 p.m.
The six students were probably there to pick out their seats for this Saturday's opener since it's now General Admission for students. The "visitor" was probably seeing if the scalpers were there yet.
craigjjs
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 12:15 p.m.
Almost funny, but good enough for an up vote.
gavsulaker
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 5:39 p.m.
Why would Michigan State fans break into the Big House? Did they think the big block "M" on the front of the stadium was the new logo for the Landshark?
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:45 p.m.
I forgot add that was M-msu game day.
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:45 p.m.
A legendary tale was told to me once by a legendary caretaker who lived in the house that used to be right on the stadium grounds: One year, Michigan stadium personnel arrived to find a giant S spray pained on the field right on the 50 yard line. No time to remove it, but in true UM fashion they resolved the problem by grabbing a can of white paint and turned that evil symbol into a giant: $
leezee
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 5:55 p.m.
I don't understand. Are you presenting a joke or did you think the offenders were MSU students?
trespass
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 5:33 p.m.
AA.com always scolds me for assuming someone is guilty of a crime before they have been convicted in court but the healdline says the were guilty of tresspassing (a misdemeanor) even though none of them was even charged, let alone convicted, of trespassing.
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:41 p.m.
Shame on you for making sense. Guilt or innocence has nothing to do with conviction in court. A person could smack you silly and be acquitted but that has no bearing on their guilt, just the opinion of a judge or a jury.
Mr. Ed
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 5:30 p.m.
The best and brightest our future CEO's, leaders or college drop out's. Good Luck students. Stay focused and party on.
trespass
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 5:27 p.m.
(1201 N. Main St) isn't that South Main? Will they be prosecuted under Ann Arbor citiy ordinance for marijuana possession or under federal law? It was my understanding that the University police enforce federal law because the university receives $1.2 billion in federal grants, which require them to enforce federal law. That is why the university does not recognize medical marijuana cards.
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:38 p.m.
The marijuana issue will be prosecuted under state law. There is no federal violation here and only federal LEOs can prosecute on federal law. They cannot be prosecuted on the city ordinance, UM officers cannot write city violations. The federal courts don't take simple MJ possession/use cases.
bereasonable
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 4:57 p.m.
All 7 were cited for unlawful entry, but only 6 students were trespassing, the 7th was just "visiting". :) Kinda like Monopoly.
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:35 p.m.
Yes it does apply Boo. As the law was written, you have to be warned and either refuse to leave or return after being warned. What does not apply here is the trespass statute. When I read the story is says they were cited for illegal entry, a more serious offense. I was not aware one could be "cited" for illegal entry. Unless it has been added as an ordinance violation, a civil infraction, you cannot cite for it. You request a warrant from the WCPO and then you arrest. Rereading the story I see a flaw in the writing. If you "cite" you do not seek a warrant for the same offence. A citation is a summons that you can respond to the next day. There is no reason to cite and seek a warrant for illegal entry. Perhaps procedures have been altered but writing a cite and asking for a warrant makes no sense unless they are for separate violations but that makes no sense either. Just bundle it all up in one manner.
Boo Radley
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 11:12 a.m.
The personal trespass warning does not apply to a situation where the trespasser ignores warning signs and must climb over a tall fence or wall to enter the property.
bereasonable
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 11:42 p.m.
trespass: an unlawful act committed on the person, property, or rights of another; especially : a wrongful entry on real property One would think with a screen name of trespass... I think the headline is an accurate description, as nowhere does it or the article mention the subjects being charged or arrested for trespassing.
trespass
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 5:31 p.m.
Were they given a trespass warning? You see, I think the headline is misleading because none of them were charged with trespassing. There are minustes of a SACUA meeting where Hank Baier told the faculty that the prosecutor had told them that he would not prosecute someone for trespassing until they had been warned and violated the warning three times.
Honest Abe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 4:51 p.m.
Failure to provide ID? I may not be a lawyer, but there is no law requiring you to carry a physical ID. Was this the case? Or did he fail to identify himself?
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:25 p.m.
You fellas that looked up laws and asked your lawyer friends might want to look at local ordinances. Some years back the legislature changed the law on misdemeanor arrests so that police can arrest on any misdemeanor not committed in the officer's presence. Before that you had to witness the misdemeanor offense in order to arrest and it resulted in the situation of having to let someone go for a crime the officer did not witness, even an assault. So some communities enacted ordinances to arrest a suspect with no ID, a law somewhat questionable but needed. I believe Ann Arbor did it before UM did. The change in misdemeanor arrest law corrected the issue. So if you are suspected of a crime you can be lawfully arrested and transported, if you cannot produce ID. You are better off coughing it up so that you go on your way, and wait for the call a warrant was issued. If you have good ID your chances of being "released pending warrant authorization" are greatly enhanced. Or you sit in lock up until your ID arrives. Also you don't have to carry ID but if you are run over by a car, your medical treatment will not have anyone to call to alert them and figure out if you are allergic to something or what your blood type is. If you don't carry ID you could be dead a couple days until you are reported missing.
SonnyDog09
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 2:08 p.m.
"Papers, please." It's not a request. It is an order.
Boo Radley
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 11:10 a.m.
"I will make it real simple - Michigan is not a Terry Stop State." Honest Abe, Michigan has always been covered by Terry v. Ohio, as all other states because it was a US Supreme Court decision. It was backed up in a Michigan case before the court in Michigan v. Long. However, Terry stops are only about checking for weapons, and have nothing to do with ID.
Tru2Blu76
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 3:46 a.m.
Honest Abe, not trying to start an argument but re: "he can be arrested for the Trespassing..." I too have tried to cover the trespass law several times. The "usual" advice I get from attorneys and police is that trespassers "should first be asked to leave" after informing them of the trespass. It is when a trespasser refuses that they can be subject to arrest but in "most instances" they will leave after being told they will be liable to arrest. So it's a very soft law, in that way. As for the ID thing: it's not totally rational and is fairly vague. But the overall sense I get is that the state ("government") may not demand ID papers. People feel strongly about this but in practice it's generally a good idea to have ID handy - because restrictions on the state do not apply to private parties (example: banks, bars, etc.). You're right about the police. If you refuse to produce ID papers, they'll do what they can to make things difficult. They know: they can most often find some way to make the recalcitrant citizen experience further difficulties. Not a bad idea if you're in law enforcement - because the "unknown subject" just might be the most dangerous to the officer. The concealed carry law is a good example: it requires licensees to tell the officer as soon as possible that the licensee is armed and is licensed. The natural next step is for the officer to ask for proof of license since unlicensed concealed carry is breaking the law.
Honest Abe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 9:36 p.m.
I dare the law to ever violate my rights. They won't. Want to know why? They know better! I'm the type that would escalate things until I cannot go any further. I will not hesitate to sue, press charges or file a complaint against anyone who attempts to violate rights! I have friends in Law Enforcement, and even they have told me that most LEO cannot stand people who actually know their rights. Violate my rights Get ready to write a very large check.
Honest Abe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 9:31 p.m.
Police tend to exercise caution during contact with someone who knows their rights. I, personally have exercised my rights to the Police. I had a Police Officer try to ID me when he saw my firearm on my belt. He has no business seeing my ID. I let him know that, too. About 2 minutes later, after asserting my rights, and informing him that I wanted the encounter to be terminated immediately - I was on my way. MY ID never came out of my wallet. All this, after I was told that I must show my ID and if I failed to obey, I would lose my gun and could be arrested. I knew my rights, and I knew he could say anything he wanted; but that did not mean it was true. Like I said, I knew my rights and after I called his bluff - I was on my way. I could tell this cop was 'irritated' that he came across someone who would not lay down their rights.
ffej440
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 9:03 p.m.
Ok Abe I don't know of a conviction, but in my younger days I refused a Washtenaw Sheriff during a traffic stop. I was a backseat passenger and the stop was an equipment violation. The deputy had NO problem cuffing and putting me in the squad car till I gave an ID. Your advice may be legal but its not reality. Reasonable suspicion covers any cop at any time. Some of the ones given to me include: There is a BOLO for a white male, There is a stolen car matches yours, a report of suspicious activity near here.... Get the picture. Legal or not that is the way it is. No need for stop and ID laws.
Honest Abe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 8 p.m.
ffe- That has nothing to do with being arrested for failing to produce Id to a police officer. Show me a case, in Michigan, where a person was convicted for failing to provide ID! You will not be able to. Probable cause has nothing to do with arresting someone for failing to produce ID. NEXT!!
Honest Abe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:58 p.m.
Come on Apex! Show me the law, where you have to produce ID to a police officer (excluding operating a vehicle or in place that sells alcohol). Show us all! What is the name of the charge , when you fail to provide ID to a Police Officer? You got nothing!
ffej440
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:56 p.m.
Abe- Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, is the case. Good luck trying- "reasonable suspicion" covers about anything.
Honest Abe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:51 p.m.
Awaiting your response, APEX.
Honest Abe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:50 p.m.
Here, I back up what I say. http://www.michiganlegalaid.org/library_client/individual_rights/your_rights_and_police/html_view
Honest Abe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:45 p.m.
Apex - You're wrong. You cannot be arrested simply for failing to produce ID. No low exists that states you must carry and produce ID upon request! You also cannot be arrested solely for not identifying yourself! However- If you are suspected of criminal activity, the Police can detain someone so they can be identified, and charge them if necessary for the crime that the Police originally were called for/investigating. My advice is not bad nor fake. If you believe it is, please provide evidence I am wrong. I will make it real simple - Michigan is not a Terry Stop State.
ApexPredator28
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:27 p.m.
Honest Abe, you may have a friend who is an "attorney" but whether or not he's a success or you fail to provide adequate information is questionable. You stated (as if you were some kind of expert): "Back to the article. Regardless if this kid broke the law, he is not required to carry nor produce any type of physical ID, and cannot be physically arrested solely for that reason" There was alcohol that was found in their possession. He can be arrested for failure to produce identification, due to that variable. End of story. He can be physically arrested solely for that reason. Stop giving bad or fake advice on here.
Pat
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:04 p.m.
Considering that they were trespassing, I believe that the police were correct in asking for ID so that they can write a ticket. It's one thing to be walking down the street, but when you break into a stadium, where it's marked that you are not to be there, then lawbreakers must produce and ID so that the police can confirm their name and address on the ticket, otherwise they could issue a ticket to any fictious name given to them, and then hope they show up in court. If they do, they then can get out of it saying the ticket is incorrect. Sorry to the free radicals, but when an officer asks you for ID when they've caught you breaking into a stadium, a store, someone's car, or home, you really don't have a good reason to refuse. It's not a police state if you've broken the law, it's the law.
Honest Abe
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 6:55 p.m.
This article, mentioning the arrest for failing to Id, prompted me to place a 5 minute call to my good friend, who happens to be an Attorney. Here is what I learned. You're not required to carry ID. You're not required to identify yourself to a police officer unless you are suspected of a crime. Even then, you can provide your information without a physical ID card, license or document. Verbally works just fine. A Police Officer CAN ask you for your ID with or without a reason. Just because you are asked does not mean you must comply. Anyone can ask anything. Just because you decline does not implicate you're guilty of something, either. Also, cops ARE allowed to lie to you! Example: Police: "I need your ID" You, minding your own business: "Do I have to give it to you?" Police: "Yes" Even though the Officer told you that you are required to produce ID, it's not true. The Police will usually tell you what you HAVE to do, whether it is a lie or not. But they will never tell you the things you don't have to do. The best thing to do is inform the officer you do not answer any questions and "am i free to go?". If you get the run around, ask if you're being detained. Always state you do not wish to answer any questions and ask if you're free to leave! If the Police truly suspect you are involved with criminal activity, they will make it clear you are either being detained until they know more, or they will arrest you. The Police are NEVER on your side! The more you say, the more they will use it against you! Back to the article. Regardless if this kid broke the law, he is not required to carry nor produce any type of physical ID, and cannot be physically arrested solely for that reason. However, he can be arrested for the Trespassing and minimum - Detained until the Police can ID him, since he did break the law. Hope this helps.
evenyoubrutus
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 6:09 p.m.
That is what I thought too. This sounds like an authoritarian dictatorship or something.
RunsWithScissors
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 6:01 p.m.
I wonder about that myself. Do I have to carry personal documentation with me at all times?
Usual Suspect
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 4:49 p.m.
Yup, the leaders and best are back on town!
treetowncartel
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 4:36 p.m.
This wouldn't of happened if they had not replaced the chain link fence with the barbed wire on top.
Mick52
Fri, Aug 30, 2013 : 6:07 p.m.
I agree, they have made it easier to climb over.
Homeland Conspiracy
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 11:34 p.m.
& gun towers
Jenksy
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 4:35 p.m.
So it begins...
Johnny2x2x
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 4:34 p.m.
Will Hagerup back with the team?
riverguy
Thu, Aug 29, 2013 : 7:03 p.m.
Is Charles Rogers a Spartan again?