maallen

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 5:56 p.m.

So now you are saying it slows down the rising costs. But the democrats, including Dingell, is selling the bill as reducing our premiums. So which is it? Again, when Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services (appointed by Obama), acknowledged health insurance premiums will go up, but Dingell keeps saying it will go down, who is lying? When you add mandatory benefits that costs money no matter how many people sign up, premiums will go up. It's called common sense. You buy a vehicle for $20,000, but then you decide to add leather seats, upgrade the sound system, etc that will drive the cost up. It doesn't matter how many people are buying that car. It still drives the cost up to add these extra things! The difference is do you want a career politician who says one thing but his voting record is completely the opposite? For example: When Dingell says he wants to protect social security, but yet votes to allow the government to raid social security and put it into the general funds what are we to believe? His words, or his actions? When Dingell says he wants to hold the government accountable and live within its means, but yet votes to spend us into debt repeatedly, what are we to believe? His words or his actions? When Dingell says he is powerful and most respected in Washington, but gets kicked off as chairman and no longer holds any key positions and only brings back.80 on every dollar we send to Washington, what are we to believe? His words, or his actions? When Dingell states that our health insurance premiums will go down, but yet Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services, publicly announces that our premiums will go up because of the new health care law, and premiums are going up, what do you believe? His words or the action? Or do you want someone in there who has new ideas, wants to control the ridiculous spending? It's time for out with the old, and in with the new.

bugjuice

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 3:17 p.m.

The difference is do you want your health care costs to go up 20% -30% or more or do you want them to go up 5% - 10%? If you like the 20% + then stay with what we have. If you want long term saving and slow down the rising curve of health care costs, then the new health care plan is for you. I bet that maallen works for the insurance industry because he's spouting their lies.

maallen

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 1:12 p.m.

"Nobody who disagrees with the Obama administration's health care plan will admit that paying a little more for health care is because The plan sets higher minimum coverage. Your coverage might cost a little more, but the benefits will be better." So then, why does Dingell keep lying? Dingell on a daily basis says this will lower the cost of premiums when in fact it raises the premiums. If you buy a vehicle for $20,000 and then want to add leather seats, upgrade the stereo, you will pay more for it. It doesn't matter if 20,000 people want that too, or just one. The cost will be higher. It's simple, really. "That the plan is designed to pay for itself and provide comparably lower costs for generations to come," When Dingell conintuously says that it won't cost the taxpayers a dime for this legislation he is lying. When the government is giving subsidies, financial assistance, to help people pay for their health insurance where do you think those subsidies (financial assistance) comes from? The tax payers! "There will be more plans to choose from and increased competition between insurance companies." This statement has already proven itself wrong. Since the passage of this law, 4 carriers have decided to get out of the health insurance business. Other carriers are dropping the many plans they once offered due to the new legislation. People are voting for their own economic self interests. They see what a debacle the health insurance law really is. Geesh, when Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services, who is heading up this massive bureaucratic law writes a letter saying the law will increase the health insurance premiums, you know it is one big mess. Dingell now wants Clinton to help him because Dingell's own words and his actions are totally different.

bugjuice

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 11:33 a.m.

Nobody who disagrees with the Obama administration's health care plan will admit that paying a little more for health care is because The plan sets higher minimum coverage. Your coverage might cost a little more, but the benefits will be better. The plan allows access to more people, (healthier productive people = healthier economy) Bigger pool, lower costs. No denied coverage for existing conditions or max $$ limitations for coverage. All of which are now the law. That the plan is designed to pay for itself and provide comparably lower costs for generations to come, There will be more plans to choose from and increased competition between insurance companies. I am constantly amazed at how the Republican puppet masters like Rove and Fox and the Koch brothers and several others have played the tea party and their supporters like a marionette. And I am forever amazed that these rich white men and their Republican party power structure are able to convince middle and working class people, who are normally thoughtful and centrist, to vote against their own economic self interests.

maallen

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 10:31 a.m.

Hmmmm....I wonder why, if Dingell's lead is so great, he will need Mr. Clinton to come in on his behalf? Could it be Dingell's words and actions don't match? When Dingell says he wants to protect social security, but yet votes to allow the government to raid social security and put it into the general funds what are we to believe? His words, or his actions? When Dingell says he wants to hold the government accountable and live within its means, but yet votes to spend us into debt repeatedly, what are we to believe? His words or his actions? When Dingell says he is powerful and most respected in Washington, but gets kicked off as chairman and no longer holds any key positions and only brings back.80 on every dollar we send to Washington, what are we to believe? His words, or his actions? When Dingell states that our health insurance premiums will go down, but yet Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services, publicly announces that our premiums will go up because of the new health care law, and premiums are going up, what do you believe? His words or the action? Premiums are going up! Dingell has all the "right" words and cute phrases to say that make excellent sound bites in the news, but his actions paint a toal different picture.

bugjuice

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 9:43 a.m.

I'm going to see Dr Steele and give the tea partiers a dose of their own medicine.

care2comment

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 9:31 a.m.

Anyone wanting to see the real Dr. Steele in person is invited today Friday Oct 22 5PM till 8 PM to meet him and hear him speak, along with Ruth Johnson, candidate for secretary of state, and others at the Masonic Lodge, 5752 Whittaker Road in Ypsilanti, right near the main Ypsilanti library. Sandwiches and refreshments will be served. This event is sponsored by the Willow Run Tea Party.

David Briegel

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 9:26 a.m.

The FREEP reports a 17 point Dingell lead! bugjuice, Dr Doom = Great! They knew all along that the trickle down sould really gush up. David Stockman is like Robt McNamara surveying the damage of his failed policies! Mountains of debt are only evil when Dems spend money to benefit human beings. Repubs run up huge deficits for banksters and Perpetual War Profiteers! Bill Clinton and John Dingell, YES!

bugjuice

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 8:34 a.m.

"The Reagan supply side economics resulted in the growth we experienced during the Clinton years" Reagan's supply side economics or better known as "trickle down" left a huge budget deficit that Bill Clinton not only paid down but by the end of his term left a surplus for Bush to spend spend spend (2 unnecessary wars off the books and tax cuts for the wealthy and a housing bubble that burst) leaving an 8 trillion debt and a recession when President Obama took office. In fact, Reagan's budget director, David Stockman, the designer of supply side went on to admit it was an utter failure resulting in a mountain of debt.

Susan Montgomery

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 6:03 a.m.

From the Michigan Daily (the MI Daily scoops the Ann Arbor News?) "The rally, called Get Out the Vote, will be held at 2 p.m. at Rackham Auditorium, according to a press release issued by Dingell's campaign last night. Betsy Barrett, communications director for Dingells campaign, wrote in an e-mail interview last night that campaign officials chose to host the rally at the University because of its politically active atmosphere." http://www.michigandaily.com/content/bill-clinton-help-dingell-get-out-vote-campus

InsideTheHall

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 3:04 a.m.

Internal polls show Steele with a 4-6 point lead. Dingell has lost the blue collar Downriver vote and his only chance to win is to max out in liberal Ann Arbor. However, being that Snyder and Steele are both from the A2 area is siphoning away traditional DEM vote in Wash. County. Dingell is in trouble and he knows it. He could not even distribute his allocated 200 tickets for the Monroe debate.

AAFish

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 3 a.m.

Despite the sneering of the righties, Dingell will kick Steele's [derriere]. As well he should.

Macabre Sunset

Fri, Oct 22, 2010 : 1:21 a.m.

I have a hard time believing Dingell is in any trouble in a district carefully gerrymandered to preserve his seat. To bring out the Big Dog this close to the election is a panic move. And I think one that's ill-advised. The poll in question seems like an outlier.

mike from saline

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 11:54 p.m.

If Clinton's coming to town, that can only mean that Dingell is considered very vulnerable. 14 million, plus Bill! they're pulling out all the stops.

Milton Shift

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 10:47 p.m.

@Diagenes: The failures in Europe are the failures of capitalism. The problem with Social Democratic states is not that they regulate the excesses of capitalism, but that they allow it to exist at all.

talker

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 10 p.m.

Whoa. I remember things differently. President Clinton turned over power to President Bush with a surplus. Then we fought a war in Iraq, because Bush was convinced (possibly by Dick Cheney) that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (nuclear weapons capability). Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction. While spending money on that war (some estimate it at a trillion dollars over the years) we had a tax cut in which the largest cuts went to taxpayers who earn millions of dollars a year. We spend more money than we collected in taxes. We went into debt. Bush hand over a huge deficit to President Obama. Also, during the Bush years, jobs continued to leave the country as more and more companies outsourced (led by people who got the biggest tax cuts and then got bonuses for having more work done by people in other countries who get paid much less than the workers fired from those jobs in American. Though the word "outsourced" doesn't sound bad, not getting middle class wages was bad for people whose jobs were eliminated in America. Thus, when Obama took office, we had an economy that was falling apart and massive debt and a record breaking deficit (an undesirable record). President Obama didn't make a partisan issue about it when he took office because he didn't want to alienate Republicans whom he expected would work with him to solve problems. But Congressional Republicans became the "party of no" and their strategy was to block him. That's why when President Obama made suggestions that some Republicans had agreed with previously, the Republicans dropped support even for ideas they had liked previously. By the way, those of us who care about health care, including a full range of care for women without Government coming between women and their doctors, John Dingell is the candidate. In the new health care bill, there's no government interference between patient and doctor. It's the anti-choice people who don't want to leave health care between women and their doctors.

Diagenes

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 7:49 p.m.

This is a real sign of Dingell's desperation. When a 55 year incumbent has to invite the last popular democrat president to campaign for him, he is in trouble. Dingell has not been listening to the people. He has consistantly supported Keynesian economic policy that does not work. The Reagan supply side economics resulted in the growth we experienced during the Clinton years, with Newt Gingrich as Speaker of the House. Dems have controlled the legislature since 2006 and have promoted european style social democracy which is collapsing in europe. The riots in France are proof of this failure. Do we really want Dingell in Washington supporting the Pelosi/Obama agenda that has failed us the last 4 years? Failure should not be rewarded with another term.

michigan face

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 5:22 p.m.

@yougottabkidding actually called it "cool aid" - gues he drank too much of the real stuff to read the label - I also am so tired of the fox news talking points being the only words we hear from these Republicans - whatever party that even is anymore we can only guess.

MorningGirl

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 3:23 p.m.

Clinton was the best president of my lifetime, and I'm pretty old. Why can't Republicans refrain from comments that include the word "kool-aid"?

michigan face

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 2:48 p.m.

Bill Clinton - a true example of patriotism in action. One of the greatest Presidents of all time. He deserves kudos from everyone! He brilliantly served our country with his heart, mind and soul.

bugjuice

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 2:23 p.m.

Yeah Dr Steele kicks it up a notch with annoying push polls, robo calls and increasing the noise level with more half truths, out of context myths and outright lies in an effort to turn voters off and drive down the enthusiasm of anyone except his hard core base. Hold on to your wallets Ann Arbor, those fed stim dollars for the bridge and your social security checks are headed right back to Washington if Steele is elected. They will be needed to pay for the Bush taz cuts for the rich. Isn't one buffoon named Steele in the Rethug party enough?

InsideTheHall

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 1 p.m.

The real story is that a Dingell who has won regularly with +70% is being challenged and pushed to the brink by Dr. Rob Steele. The Steele campaign is energized and has a ground game that Dingell cannot match....the union jackets just can't seem to get out on knock on doors. Steele is poised for victory and just watch the next 12 days as the Steele campaign kicks it up a notch.

bugjuice

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 12:29 p.m.

If anyone thinks that Dr Doom, I mean Steele has the inclination, desire or ability to bring any federal tax dollars back to Ann Arbor the way that Dingell or any other Democrat has done, I have a great tax shelter for you. Steele wants us to give more of our tax dollars to the rich (at the expense of paying down the debt) so our public infrastructure, schools and public safety personnel can continue to crumble. On the other hand, when Clinton is president for his third and 4th terms it will be le bonton roulette. The dress and the cigar will be long forgotten

Joe Hood

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 12:25 p.m.

@Mick52 Both he and Obama are doing the same thing. Obama is only going places that he's really popular. The comfort zone places don't help out their guys that are really against the wall.

Mick52

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 12:09 p.m.

What happened during President Clinton's admin, President Bush's admin has no bearing on what we need today. I wonder though, why Mr. Dingell is focusing so much attention in A2. $1 mill for a bus station, many million $ for the crumbling bridge, and now a visit by Pres. Clinton. Is his re-election at risk based on the votes of this liberally diseased people's republic? I hardly think so. I would think there are many areas between here and Dearborn that need this attention more. I agree thought that his time has come, long overdue. He promoted a $.50 tax on gas in early 2008. Good thing no one listens to him, especially in his party that demoted him, as gas rose to $4+/gallon by itself. No more of this tax raising disaster of a representative.

leaguebus

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 11:35 a.m.

Yeah, the old tax and spend Bill Clinton. Well, there were about 23M jobs created during Bill's two terms. Only about 22M more than during W's two terms, but who's counting. By the way, the Republicans in Congress worked with Bill, didn't threaten to filibuster every bill that was being considered, probably would have passed the unemployment compensation bill without holding it up for a month and generally did not act like cry babies after losing their control of the government. Party on Bill!

maallen

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 11:29 a.m.

Wow, how the mighty have fallen. Dingell is now resorting to bringing Mr. Clinton in for help? Dingell has no power left in Washington anymore. He is out of ideas and his debate with Steele last night proved it. Almost every answer of his to the questions posed to him ended with him saying we need to spend more money! When Michigan only receives on average.80 cents for every dollar sent to Washington then something is wrong. Dingell's answer? We are working on fixing that! Well, Mr. Dingell, you had 55 years to fix just that one problem, and you haven't been able to. It is time for a change. It is time for new fresh ideas and most importantly, it is time to stop Mr. Dingell's out of control spending since that is all he knows how to do!

Mark A.

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 11:14 a.m.

The same John Dingell that voted in support of the "Defense Against Marriage Act" in Michigan's state constitution? I thought the Clintons were against such type of laws targeting minorities.

FreedomOfSpeech

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 11:07 a.m.

@ SemperFi "... the president of peace and prosperity is on his way." That's correct... Uh... Minus the practically 8 straight years of bombing campaigns that the media all but ignored. Painting NATO emblems over US insignias and blowing the bridges, schools Etc. Up and down the Danube, killing 1000s (that's plural... t-h-o-u-s-a-n-d-s) of Men WOMEN & CHILDREN!!! Maybe I'm missing your sarcasm...;) Now some of you might say 'I don't recall that... or that's not true... I assure you both Bill Clinton and Madame Albright are war criminals just as the next false paradigm crims were and the current (more deaths in Afghanistan since 2008 than the previous 8 years) are and still are. Wake up people they are on the TV News Openly admitting that they are guarding, helping to grow and distribute the worlds largest heroin supply... ADMITTING IT! Just so A2.com can't claim this is unsubstantiated: www.rense.com/politics5/lies.htm www.infowars.com/fox-news-makes-excuse-for-cias-afghan-opium-cultivation

UgottaBkidding

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 11 a.m.

@David B - keep drinking the cool-aid, dude!

Ignatz

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 11 a.m.

What a treat for us. President Clinton still stands as the greatest president of the 3rd millenium.

jgtrueblue

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 10:52 a.m.

I left town when BC came here 5/08, I left when BHO came here this year, and I leave again this weekend. I want the stench of deception to be gone before I return to my beloved city.

SemperFi

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 10:34 a.m.

Well, put on your blue dress and hide the cigars, the president of peace and prosperity is on his way.

Greggy_D

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 10:21 a.m.

Agreed Walker. It's pretty bad when NRA members that have voted for Dingell for decades have decided they have had enough.

walker101

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 9:52 a.m.

It won't make a difference, even if the almighty one dropped in.

David Briegel

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 9:51 a.m.

I can't wait to see this great centrist. A brilliant man who had to earn every single thing in his life. You can't buy or inherit a Rhodes Scholarship!! You notice how Republicans only know what their entertainment network tells them about left and right. They know longer know the difference unless the cute blond geniuses tell them. FAUX!

sbbuilder

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 9:40 a.m.

This must be bittersweet for Mr Dingell. Having Mr Clinton come to your own backyard is sweet. Having to have Mr Clinton come to your own backyard is bitter, indeed.

cinnabar7071

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 9:37 a.m.

I think it would be a good idea to take the girlfriend out of town that weekend.

Joe Hood

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 9:28 a.m.

@bugjuice Perhaps a Republican Congress will make Obama better in the second portion of his term as well.

bugjuice

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 9:21 a.m.

Bill Clinton a leftist? Since when did a president who "ended welfare as we know it" become a leftist? Since when did a president, whose administration who had balanced budgets and left a surplus for his predecessor to squander, become a leftist? Since when did a president who presided of one of the biggest economic booms in history, making millionaires into billionaires in the process, become a leftist?

Milton Shift

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 8:54 a.m.

Great! Is he going to bring a personal army in tow and lock down the town like Obama did? Can't wait to hear whatever fake leftist garbage he has to share.

bugjuice

Thu, Oct 21, 2010 : 8:50 a.m.

The Big Dog is coming. Move it on over!