2 dead, 5 seriously injured following rollover accident on US-23
A white Ford Expedition involved in a fatal accident sits in the median on southbound US-23 near Michigan Ave. Friday afternoon. US-23 south was reopened at Michigan Avenue a few hours later.
Jeffrey Smith | AnnArbor.com
Ashley Siegel's age has been correct. She was 11, not 12.
Two teenagers are dead and five other people are injured after a rollover accident caused by a suspected hit and run driver on southbound US-23 south of Michigan Avenue just before 3 p.m. Friday afternoon.
Joyce Williams, spokeswoman for Huron Valley Ambulance, said two teenagers died at the scene of the accident and five others were transported to local hospitals, including three in unstable or critical condition.
A total of five HVA ambulances were either on scene or heading to the area just after 3 p.m., Williams said.
Reports from the area of the crash indicated traffic was backed up and at a standstill on both Michigan Avenue and US-23 just after 4 p.m.
Update 3:25 p.m.: Washtenaw County dispatchers said southbound US-23 will be closed down at Michigan Avenue as the Michigan State Police Brighton post and the Pittsfield Township Fire Department respond to the scene.
Drivers are encouraged to avoid the area.
Update 3:36 p.m.: A second person has died from injuries sustained in the accident, Williams said. Both of the deceased are reportedly children. Their ages and genders were not immediately known.
Five other people were transported to local hospitals, Williams said.
One person was taken in critical condition to U-M hospital in one ambulance, she said. A person in unstable condition and a person in stable condition were taken to U-M in a separate ambulance, Williams said.
Another ambulance took two other people in unstable condition to St. Joseph Mercy Hospital, Williams said.
Information on how the accident happened and how many vehicles were involved was not immediately available.
Update at 4:27 p.m.: Police are investigating the incident as a hit and run and are searching for a silver Honda Odyssey with heavy front end damage.
Police said the Odyssey struck the full-size Ford Expedition carrying seven people, causing it to roll several times before coming to rest on its roof in the median. A child was pinned inside the SUV and died, while another died outside of the vehicle, according to Pittsfield Township Fire Department Captain Craig Liggett.
Liggett said the Expedition was still in one piece but was torn apart in the wreck.
“It’s still in one piece but the contents are every where,” he said.
Williams said the deceased were two teenagers, one boy and one girl. One child who was in a car seat was transported in stable condition to U-M Hospital.
Update at 4:37 p.m.: Sgt. Mark Thompson of the Michigan State Police said the Odyssey was moving into the left lane, in a space already occupied by the Expedition. The van sideswiped the SUV, Thompson said.
“It moved to the left lane and struck the vehicle that was already in the left lane,” Thompson said, “causing it to lose control.”
The Odyssey continued to drive southbound after hitting the Expedition, Thompson said. The vehicle should have heavy damage and a temporary paper license plate in the window, he said.
Police are continuing to investigate the collision. Anyone with information on the crash should call the Michigan State Police anonymous tip line at 1-866-638-4847
12:50 a.m.: The vehicle was a white 1999 Ford Expedition, occupied by driver Dawn Siegel and her four children and two step-children, MSP said in news release. According to witness accounts, the Expedition was traveling in the left lane of southbound US-23 when it was “cut off” by another motorist. Siegel attempted to avoid the motorist by swerving onto the median shoulder. She lost control of the vehicle and it rolled over several times.
Jordan Siegel, 14, and Ashley Siegel, 11, suffered significant injuries and were pronounced dead at the scene by the Medical Examiner. Dawn Siegel, Chris Siegel, Madison Owens, Erica Fox and Brooklyn Siegel were transported to the University of Michigan Hospital and St. Joseph Mercy Hospital for injuries of varying severity. All parties are listed in stable condition, and the family has been notified.
The driver of the other vehicle, possibly a Honda Odyssey, was reported as possibly being a female possibly around 40 years old. The suspect vehicle continued southbound on US-23. Anyone with information that could help identify the driver of the suspect vehicle are asked to contact the Michigan State Police - Brighton Post at 810-227-1051.
Check back to AnnArbor.com for more details on this accident as they become available.
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Crime reporter John Counts contributed to this story
Kyle Feldscher covers cops and courts for AnnArbor.com. He can be reached at kylefeldscher@annarbor.com or you can follow him on Twitter.
Comments
dumfounded
Mon, Jul 2, 2012 : 4:41 p.m.
My daughter was rear endend around the same time as this accident. She was pulling over for an approaching ambulance when she was hit. The other driver's burgundy truck was not damaged, but our car is totaled. The crasher told our daughter that all they did was exchange info, saying something aabout the "second one today", and drove away, leaving our daughter stranded with a car too damaged to drive! People need to get a grip!!!
Sooze
Thu, Jun 28, 2012 : 8:29 p.m.
It's now Thursday afternoon--- where is the update we were told was coming three days ago? I won't bother coming back to this site for news. Maybe the Free Press has something.
Kyle Feldscher
Thu, Jun 28, 2012 : 8:43 p.m.
Sooze- Here are two stories from earlier this week about the investigation and the tapes from the 911 calls. http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/police-still-looking-for-suspect-in-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-2-children-friday-on-us-23/ http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/police-release-2-911-calls-from-friday-crash-on-us-23-that-killed-royal-oak-children/ When more information on this incident is available, we'll report it.
Birddive
Mon, Jun 25, 2012 : 4:11 p.m.
This is a tragedy to be sure. However, I think more often than not, people know the laws and rules for safe driving--they just choose not to abide by them--so I'm not sure how having more stringent testing to get and maintain a valid driver's license would prevent accidents like this one. Perhaps more stringent enforcement of driving laws would be more effective.
TLBeadle
Mon, Jun 25, 2012 : 12:42 p.m.
It's Monday....any update on this story?
Kyle Feldscher
Mon, Jun 25, 2012 : 2:45 p.m.
TLBeadle- I just spoke with the trooper who is investigating, I will have a story shortly.
southsiderez
Mon, Jun 25, 2012 : 12:41 p.m.
You need to provide an update to this story, even if the police have no update. And if they have no update, they need to explain to you why they have no update. Be tough. Be journalists.
Kyle Feldscher
Mon, Jun 25, 2012 : 2:46 p.m.
I have an update, it will be posted later on this morning.
Judi
Mon, Jun 25, 2012 : 4:47 a.m.
Perhaps the hit and run driver is too frightened to turn herself in. It is so easy to be appalled at her behavior. Hitting a van with a mom and a lot of kids. Killing two kids and harming more. This is the worst thing that can happen to anybody. It is the worst thing that can happen to a family. and it is the worst thing that can happen to the other driver. If you know the other driver, and lots of people do. Be her friend and help her stand up to this. Get her the help she needs. She probably has a serious substance abuse problem and this might not be the first time she has driven while impaired. Don't let her drive again! Don't let her kill again! That is not what a friend does. A friend Does the hard things, says the hard things, walks with her into the police station, into AA, takes away her keys, and says " I won't let you drive again.". That is what love is. Be a friend today. You know who she is.
sad2leave
Mon, Jun 25, 2012 : 2:08 a.m.
I am so sorry for this family and their loss..so tragic~ I am having a very hard time understanding why nobody got that woman's plate number or followed her till they did???
sad2leave
Mon, Jun 25, 2012 : 2:20 a.m.
Also, why can't they do research on all the odyssey's sold in Michigan in the past few weeks? It was brand new. They have her age (roughly) and gender. Seems like that would at least get them going in the right direction.
15crown00
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 6:09 p.m.
This is so sad. Where is that coward driving the Honda that caused all the carnage?
Tesla
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 5:59 p.m.
I keep checking the site to see if there are any updates. I want them to catch this person so bad I can taste it.. I am starting to get a little worried at this point.
Ron Cordell
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 12:28 p.m.
I hope you're all alright.. I love you, your family To anybody reading this: I live in California. I've known one of these people for almost 9 years and can't afford the plane to go see them. I don't care if your religious, I'm not. I don't believe in God or whatever. But I prayed for her and this family. This is the LAST family that should ever deserve something like this to happen to them. From all I've seen they are so selfless, so giving.. The least you can do now is give something back. Give them a minute, One minute of silence, thoughts, hope, prayer or whatever else you have to offer! These people never did anything to deserve such a horrible fate. Please help them like I want to be able to..
MRSCHISOLM
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 5:08 a.m.
this site has the nerves to delete comments of concerned citizens. Instead of deleteing our post find the woman who did this to this family
JRW
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:31 p.m.
Plenty of bad drivers everywhere, not just A2. More and more drivers on the same increasingly congested roads, more construction, more distraction, and fewer patrols. Large highways are clogged with traffic, more drivers all the time getting licenses and the increasing distractions: cell phones, texting, eating, reading a Kindle, and on and on. The population keeps increasing, more drivers are on the road and the highways are not built to handle the amount of traffic. All adds up to a bad situation and not getting any better.
HereAndThere
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 12:48 a.m.
You're right. Things are just getting more and more out of control!
Candy Chavez
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 10:47 p.m.
So devastating! Prayers going up for the entire family.... So sorry for your loss, too tragic for words....
julieswhimsies
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 9:37 p.m.
There aren't enough tears.
justcurious
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 7:19 p.m.
In the old days the law enforcement officers would put out an APB (all points bulletin) for a vehicle such as the one that allegedly caused this tragedy. I wonder if anything like this was done? I certainly hope they would have called ahead to the law enforcement agencies between here and Toledo, at least.
ArgoC
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 3:09 a.m.
Gee do you think the police might have thought of this? Good thing we readers are around to remind them how to do their jobs.
JRW
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:32 p.m.
Probably not enough patrols to do this these days, unfortunately.
Tom Todd
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 8:39 p.m.
People have no respect for each other anymore.
HereAndThere
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 5:02 p.m.
I keep writing, then erasing, over and over again. There really are no words. :(
grimmk
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 4:22 p.m.
Just a few weeks ago I was going north on 23 and decided I needed stop off at Washtenaw. It was a construction zone so I was doing about 60 as the signs were posted. I put on my indicator and check to make sure no one is getting ON 23 while I get off. And then the person in the left lane does a OH $*&#! I need to get off too and just cuts through the left and right lane into the off ramp lane. Where I was. I had to slam on my breaks and we both almost ended up in that large gully there. So freaking scary. We all need to slow down and think about what we are doing. If you miss your exit, go to the next one and turn around. Don't just suddenly run through two lanes of traffic to get to your exit. I'm trying to be better at going slower. I'm more more hyper aware of my surroundings and put more space between me and the car in front of me. Of course that leaves me open to being cut off... But yes. People in A2 drive way to crazily. As much as it would be a hassle, I think after 10 years we all should take the driver's ed class and PASS IT to renew our licensees. Both written and road test.
grimmk
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:40 p.m.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen some very very close calls. I was 100% sure there was going to be an accident in the next few seconds. Thankfully (knock on head) this hasn't happened. And to that guy in the huge black truck wanting to go 80+, NO. I will NOT speed up. Wait a few more seconds before I can find a clear spot to pull over and let you pass. Tailgating me is not only ILLEGAL but stupid and dangerous!
JRW
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:35 p.m.
I've had this happen also on 23, cars that decide at the last minute to exit and cut across all lanes of traffic and cut off whoever is in their way. Unbelievable.
MRunner73
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:30 p.m.
Sadly, there is the possibility that the driver that caused this tragic accident was simply far too impatient or this may have/possibly been a case of road rage. Only eye witnesses could actually help determine the real cause. The volume of traffice these days leads to more road rage, less impatientience behind the wheel. Many of these moments go unreported.
Sabrina
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 4:25 p.m.
I also think that impatience probably played a huge role. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people in the right lane coming up to the vehicle in front of them, so they try to pass without having to slow down. The rush of doing that seems to cause people to start to merge into the left lane without checking their blind spot first, and next thing you know they're either swiping a vehicle that was in the lane they were trying to occupy or that other vehicle reacts quickly in a way that is natural but unsafe - to swerve.
Tru2Blu76
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:18 p.m.
Just FYI, AnnArbor.com: it wasn't a "rollover accident." When someone creates conditions which lead to death and injury, they are not "causing an accident" they are causing a wreck with the death and injury of others. A rollover accident is entirely different in nature from a rollover wreck caused by another driver. The driver of the escaped vehicle is guilty of homicide (at least). I might recommend based on actual experience: that drivers witnessing such a hit and run event use their cell phones (or- CB radios) to contact police AND follow the escaping vehicle until police can take over the pursuit. Actually, CB radios work better than cell phones in these situations, they do not require taking one's eyes off the road. But then, at these times, it's necessary to keep one's wits about them. Whatever: it worked very well when I did it - and the dangerous driver was apprehended by Washtenaw Sheriff's deputies.
Diane
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:21 p.m.
Prayers to the family. How horrible.
norainnorainbow
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:07 p.m.
I commute to Ann Arbor from Clinton on Michigan Ave/US 12 and several times a week I see people passing in no passing zones, passing people on the right shoulder, etc. It's ridiculous and dangerous. Slow down and pay attention!!!! There's no where you need to be in that big of a hurry. Thoughts and prayers for the family. :-(
GoNavy
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:32 p.m.
Individuals who constantly tout the safety of "large SUV's" over smaller - but more stable - coupes and sedans should take notice: Rollovers are real and can be just as dangerous as a side or head-on collision.
Amanda Erickson
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 12:52 p.m.
I am just curious as to why Annarbor.com has chose not to include a FULL "possible" description of the driver of the Odyssey as it has been reported by all other news channels? Especially if it helps find the driver who did this?
ArgoC
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 3:04 a.m.
Maybe they want more than third-hand information? Remember the Weinblatt blunders? I personally prefer hearing confirmed information. Police will find this person without any doubt. What's not needed is us running around pointing fingers and forming posses.
Maz
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 4:45 p.m.
I personally even take the description of the vehicle with a grain of salt. Have you ever participated in one of those games/studies/what-have-you where you, along with a group, get to see something and then afterward are asked to describe that thing (while not being told you were going to be asked to do so when you initially saw the item)? I have, and I can tell you that the descriptions vary SO greatly that you'd think no one in the group saw the object at all. In the one I participated in, it was a gun (being shown by a police officer) and when I described the gun I swore (swore!) it had a silver barrel. Well it didn't. Not even close. And of the twenty or so of us in the group, not a single person got the description dead on, and some of the descriptions, my own included, were so completely different from the actual item that (as mentioned) you'd think we hadn't seen anything at all and were just flat out making something up. But studies have been done on this phenomenon, and apparently it is completely normal for our brains to fill in the gaps of our memories in completely artificial ways when the memory fails us. It's bizarre to think our brain does that - makes up an utter lie to fill in the gaps so that it can "understand" the memory where there are holes. So with this in mind, I'd say it's best just to keep an eye out for ANY larger vehicle in ANY color, that has damage to the front/side panel(s) AND has a paper license plate. The latter two details are probably the only things you can count on to be correct, and even those are iffy.
John Q
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 4:23 p.m.
It could be substantially wrong too. In any case, how does one determine that the driver was an "Arabic woman"?
Sabrina
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 4:21 p.m.
I have a feeling the driver of the Odyssey was wearing a head scarf, as a lot of people seem to confuse that practice as something all Arabic women do. Just my guess, though. Not everyone here is knowledgeable about the difference between races and religions of the Middle East.
Eight Ball
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:49 p.m.
It's called racism. What does "A____c" looking mean in real terms. Kudos to aa.com for not contributing to useless, bigoted hate.
djacks24
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:55 p.m.
"The ethnicity of the woman was mentioned by officials but was not a confirmed piece of information, as a result officials are focusing on locating the vehicle with damage." It must have been a substantial piece of info even if unconfirmed. So maybe you should mention it as well? This political correctness is getting ridiculous and readers need to know all the details to possibly be of help to authorities. This PC is so rampant on this site, it could almost be construed as obstruction of justice.
Kyle Mattson
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:35 p.m.
Hi Amanda- Our standard practice is to only post a full description provided by police. The ethnicity of the woman was mentioned by officials but was not a confirmed piece of information, as a result officials are focusing on locating the vehicle with damage. We'll be sure to add more information to the posting as it becomes available.
Amanda Erickson
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:41 p.m.
Also...if we are going to be PC A2.com, why is gender included in your report? Gender, race/ethnicity, height, weight...all just ways of describing an individual. Please include everything.
Amanda Erickson
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:35 p.m.
Yes... I did see that, however it is an incomplete description. They left out a particular part of the description that is listed by all other reports. I am sure I know why, seeing as how Annarbor.com usually leaves this particular feature out of many of its reports. There is a reason that police officers and reporting agencies release certain information to the public...so that person can be found. It just bugs me that A2.com always does this.
GoNavy
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:33 p.m.
Because the Ann Arbor News is over-zealous in keeping "unsubstantiated news" out of the news.
SonnyDog09
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:31 p.m.
Here is the quote from the clickondetroit article. The omission reveals the PC bias of a2.com. Why does a2.com report that the driver may be a woman about 40 years old, but leave the Arabic part out of their article? Two people are dead and a2.com is concerned with being politically correct. "Witnesses tell police the minivan driver may be an Arabic woman about 40 years old. The minivan had continued southbound on US 23 after the crash."
Brad
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:15 p.m.
Don't know if it was there earlier, but the last graf now has this wonderful description: "The driver of the other vehicle, possibly a Honda Odyssey, was reported as possibly being a female possibly around 40 years old." If that isn't a "possible" description, I don't know what would be. A helpful description? Not so much.
Carole
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 12:47 p.m.
So sad for this family - when driving one has to be aware of everyone around them. Many times people just are in a hurry to get here or there, not paying attention to what's what j-- obviously tha'is what this driver did causing this horrible accident. My heart breaks for the family who was forced off the road, their loses, and injuries.
joe.blow
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 12:23 p.m.
This story Pisses me off, makes me scared as hell, and sad for the family.
clownfish
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:57 a.m.
I've written it before and will write it again.. We need better driver training and more strict licensing. It is way too easy to get a drivers license. 6 points should get your license pulled. Driving is a privilege, not a right.
JRW
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:26 p.m.
Absolutely correct. And more enforcement of drivers driving with suspended licenses.
Jimmy McNulty
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:37 a.m.
Prayers to the family. Searching Secretary of State records for Honda Odyssey sales should hopefully tighten the net in the search for the suspect.
Wolf's Bane
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:28 a.m.
So much for the idea that highway driving is safer. I'm sort of surprised that the Honda got away so easily and why didn't anyone bother to track the vehicle and alert police as it was speeding away? This seems highly suspect in a world where everyone has a phone with a camera.
ArgoC
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 2:57 a.m.
"Highly suspect"? ? What ?
Tru2Blu76
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:36 p.m.
You're right on with the idea of tracking (properly following) the vehicle which caused the wreck. Personally, I find CB radios much more useful when it comes to contacting police patrols (Channel 9 is the emergency channel they monitor) Pictures, being digital, aren't available to police quickly enough - so taking them does no good until after the fact, when you have time to transfer the image file to police. The only time taking a digital photo did any good in my experience was when I took a photo of an escaping thief, went home and printed it, then went back and turned the print over to the store owner. This took about an hour and it would have taken longer had I not lived within one block of the store where the theft took place. I wouldn't have followed the thief either: but I am licensed and trained in the use of my 9mm Glock.
a2gretta
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 12:43 p.m.
I know from experience that things like this happen so fast that it isn't possible to get a picture that is worth more than a description by witnesses.
Jack Gladney
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:25 a.m.
Was the driver of the Expedition passing another slower vehicle in the right lane? Was the Expedition cruising in the left lane? Was the Odyssey passing the Expedition on the right. The latter two are good ways to get someone injured or killed. MIchigan law is simple: Drive right pass left. MSP and Sherriffs could save a lot of lives and make big bucks enforcing this law.
Pizza Man
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:41 p.m.
The other good law is that the left lane is a Passing Lane and not a Driving Lane.
OLDTIMER3
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 10:56 a.m.
What a horrible tragedy. Our prayers go out to the SIEGEL family.
d
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 10:15 a.m.
So sad and maddening that the person who caused it drove on. A similar thing happened to me. I was cut off in traffic on M14, and to avoid hitting him went to the side of the road where gravel caused me to do a 360. By the grace of God I didn't hit anyone and was able to maintain control of my car. The car who cut me off also continued to drive on at a high rate of speed. Some drivers drive like the interstate is a race track without regard to others safety.
A2Frenchman
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 9:33 a.m.
Why are we assuming that the driver of the Odyssey was texting/using their phone? Either way my heart goes out to everyone involved with this terrible accident.
djacks24
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 5:37 a.m.
With so much information about the vehicle (even down to knowing it had a paper plate) it shouldn't be hard to find. Those tags are normally only good for 15 days. Getting in touch local dealers inquiring about Silver Honda Odyssey's sold within the past 15 days should turn up something. Even the person who sold the car may even call in a tip with all the press this story is getting. I'd be surprised they haven't found the person yet. So whoever you are, you may even be reading these comments. You may have ran, but you surely can't hide and will not get away with it...
amlive
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:43 p.m.
Paper license plates are not restricted to recently purchased or transfered cars, but also issued when a license plate is confiscated due to multiple driving offenses. http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1583-31038--,00.html This mini van may have been owned by the same person for years, but if anyone with prior offenses was caught driving it during another offense, then it appears the state would issue a paper plate until the case were resolved. Still, whether from recent purchase or driving offenses, the state should have records to search for any similar vehicle which has been issued paper plates.
towncryer
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 9:40 a.m.
The click on Detroit story had an additional description of the possible driver which, like you said, may jar the memory of the person who sold the car.
Lauren
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 6:02 a.m.
I hope they find him. I am close with the family, as I said it's my boyfriend sister and moms side of the family who was in this accident and 2 killed and the rest hurt including a 1 year old baby girl.
Lauren
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 5:35 a.m.
This was my boyfriend's sister in the car accident. 2 kids died and 5 and seriously injured
kdadnick
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:15 p.m.
We're so sorry to read this Lauren. I'm sure this tragedy will be far-reaching for a long time. Family, friends, neighbors, teachers, and so many more will be affected by these deaths and injuries. Our prayers are with you all.
Robin1979
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 4:46 a.m.
Sadly, I agree with all of the negative comments about A2 drivers. I have lived here for almost 12 years and the drivers in this city are the WORST I've seen-- they're impatient, distracted, road bullies. The woman driving the Honda seems to have had the same habits, according to the reports & eyewitnesses. I sincerely hope she (or anyone who KNOWS her) does the right thing and contacts the authorities... On the other hand, there seems to be a lot of deadly accidents on 23 and I94, west of Ann Arbor, and nothing is being done to save lives. I think either the state police need to post-up along these routes &/or, U of M needs to put some of their grant money (& transportation technology) to good use and find out why these accidents continue to happen so frequently.
Robin1979
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 5:07 p.m.
My point was in my OPINION, I think A2 drivers are bullies and they have no regard for other drivers on the road, and I have plenty experience to back that up. However, regardless of my experience (or yours), there needs to be more police presence on the roads where these deadly accidents continue to happen. I almost NEVER see a cop on either 23 and I94 (particularly west of A2) and they are both deadly stretches due to the way people drive.
Laura Jones
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 5:24 p.m.
You need to get out more. I have driven on average 40k miles a year for 15 years and A2 has nothing at all on Boston, Hartford, all of New Jersey, New York Metro, Chicago, Detroit, Toronto, Kansas City, or Indy. Not even close. My biggest complaint of A2 drivers is their willingness to park it in the left lane instead of passing and returning right (which is the safest option), followed closely by a complete lack of understanding of the word "merge" which requires one to enter AT the speed of oncoming traffic - not setting a new low speed to cause a pile up. Maybe everyone should have to retake their drivers tests every 10 years.
Maz
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 4:29 p.m.
Well OP, I agree with you. :) I truly haven't seen a place as bad as this when it comes to driving. And although I agree that in Atlanta people drive amazingly fast, I don't agree that that equates to "bad" driving. I was nervous driving through downtown Atlanta simply because I'm not used to going that fast, but unsafe? Absolutely not. People stayed in their lanes and did not make the endless "I'm the only object on the entire road" crazy maneuvers that drivers do here in A2.
MRunner73
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:24 p.m.
Have you ever seen how aggressive driver are in Greater Boston? Far worse. I have lived in the Evansville IN area and drivers are far more courtious. This area is about mid pack. In general, more traffice-more impatient people as well.
clownfish
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 12:01 p.m.
Drivers in A2 are no worse (or better) than drivers in W. Bloomfield, Southfield, Chicago or Atlanta. Atlanta average speed is around 85 (or 5). People drive like morons on I-75, I-696 and I-275. Lack of training and basic understanding of physics.
OLDTIMER3
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:05 a.m.
Not just in A2, And 12 years is nothing.I've driven in A2 for 50 years and have had two accidents, a guy ran a stop sign at 10:00 at night with no headlights on and the other a teen driver rearended me while stopped for a car in front of me . I was out of state recently and the drivers there were just as bad if not worse. Everyone is always in a hurry to get where they are going.
angie dubois
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 4:03 a.m.
It was a site I never want to see again. I was one of the first people to get to the site. I have been in the army for ten years and have seen a lot but nothing like this. I stayed with one of the young ladies cut her out of the suv and held her hand until help came. She is in my prays and my heart forevermore.
maddy
Tue, Jul 3, 2012 : 8:54 p.m.
hi angie i was one of the girls in the accident, i dont know if it was you that was holding my hand that whole time. i was the little girl with the cuts on my leg and back. if it was you, you can contact me at madd622@yahoo.com :) thank you so much and were all doing fine.
yourdad
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:41 p.m.
And those firemen do this for strangers whenever asked. For anyone of us.... political affiliations and personal voting records are not asked, just what needs to be done to help. God Bless them!
JustInTime
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:45 a.m.
I feel sick. Clickondetroit.com has video of the crash site with the bodies under white sheets. They did blur out the blood on the side of the SUV though. Gee, thanks. How disgusting and insensitive to show that. How does posting video of the crash while the bodies and body parts are still there help in any journalistic way? That poor, poor family :( No one NEEDS to see that. At least this web site didn't show that.
djacks24
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:42 p.m.
I seen the same story and bodies in sheets and other gore you describe is pure speculation. Something was blurred out on the side of the SUV, but I certainly couldn't tell if it was blood or not? As far as what you describe as bodies in sheets and other body parts could just be debris (like clothing) pulled from the vehicle . I feel sick you'd actually lead people to believe that this is what is being shown by pure speculation.
JustInTime
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:37 a.m.
The clickondetroit.com article (link in a comment above) gives the names of those involved in the crash. I was able to find the mother's Facebook page in about 10 seconds and she has hundreds of pictures of her and all the kids posted there. Some of the pictures are taken showing the children last month in the back of that SUV. It was so eerie and sad to see those pictures... She obviously loved those children so very very much :( All I can think about is how badly I want the driver of that other vehicle found.
djacks24
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:34 p.m.
"Are you an investigative reporter? Why would you even search this type of info? You just creeped me out.... Your obviously in need of more things to do." I agree. It's beyond morbid curiosity. Maybe morbidly obsessed? Then commenting on here to share your morbid fascination with others (including family and friends, some of whom have been reading and posted comments themselves). Seriously, keep it to yourself.
yourdad
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:37 p.m.
Are you an investigative reporter? Why would you even search this type of info? You just creeped me out.... Your obviously in need of more things to do.
treetowncartel
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:34 a.m.
My comment asking you not to post the picture of the expedition was removed? You people are cowards.
Jim Osborn
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:09 a.m.
I do not see any blood, gore, or bodies under sheets, not did I even think of them until your posting. All I saw was the upside-down SUV that gives me a good idea of what happened. It also led me to think that if there had been a median barrier, this would not have ended like this
Kyle Mattson
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 4:45 a.m.
TreeTown- We sent you an email directly regarding our photo policy posting practices earlier this afternoon. As JustinTime pointed out we strive to respect the victims in horrible tragedies such as this and our on location staff did not enter the scene until medical personnel had treated all involved and state police began their investigation. These accidents hit everyone hard and our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
JustInTime
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:42 a.m.
Clickondetroit.com has video of the crash site with the bodies under white sheets. They did blur out the blood on the side of the SUV though. How disgusting and insensitive to show that. How does posting video of the crash while the bodies and body parts are still there help in any journalistic way? That poor, poor family :( No one NEEDS to see that. At least this web site didn't show that.
Ace
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:50 a.m.
Sounds like it's time to finally make all mobile phone usage illegal while operating a vehicle. There are too many folks trying to multi-task behind the wheel. This is a deadly mistake to make - put away the phones, make-up, food, etc., and just drive people! May GOD bless and bring comfort to the families involved.
Ace
Mon, Jun 25, 2012 : 7:44 p.m.
Unwad your undies djacks24! My comment was general to the bad habits of drivers today, not directed at the alleged driver at fault as I was nowhere near the scene. Did you take the time to chastise all the others who made general comments? Geez
djacks24
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 5:28 a.m.
Wow! You know it was someone on a cell phone? What are you doing commenting here when you should be contacting police to let them know. I'm against texting/talking on the phone while driving also. But I also can't stand folks assuming something without knowing anything about what actually happened.
justaposter
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:18 a.m.
Updates: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/news/Siblings-killed-in-crash-on-US-23-in-Pittsfield-Township-police-seek-driver-of-vehicle-which-may-have-caused-crash/-/4714498/15212374/-/6mw0i3z/-/index.html
Unusual Suspect
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:53 a.m.
I'm not surprised my anything anymore. The other day I saw a guy on I-94 on a donor-cycle riding no-handed and doing something on his phone with both hands while going 80 mph.
Maz
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:34 a.m.
Was he at least wearing a helmet. <- yet another thing I can't even believe passed in this state.
justaposter
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:16 a.m.
Update: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/news/Siblings-killed-in-crash-on-US-23-in-Pittsfield-Township-police-seek-driver-of-vehicle-which-may-have-caused-crash/-/4714498/15212374/-/6mw0i3z/-/index.html
joe.blow
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:09 a.m.
Donor-cycle? You think there's anything left to donate after that dude taps the wall no handed at 80?
glenn smith
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:31 a.m.
I was about 4 cars back when this happened so one of the first 8-10 people to run and help. I did see that 5 girls or young women were in the SUV 3 were definitely mid teens and 1 little girl that seemed ok. So with the boy in the report that would make 7. the woman that held the baby and helped to calm her was wonderful, and very brave. Made me think of my kids. I didn't see the boy in the report but it could be is was pinned deeper in the vehicle. I seriously hope the emt recovered what i pointed out in the grass. I covered it with a towel but he said to leave it. The person/s that set this in motion really need to turn themselves in. Everyone that jumped out to help was very brave. My heart goes out the these women and the little girl.
Lauren
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 6:04 a.m.
thank you. this is my boyfriend sister and her mom and family on her mom's side.
Maz
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:58 a.m.
Although I don't know these kids, I thank you for helping them. My heart really goes out to them tonight. I hope their bodies hang on and fight. Also, I saw your comment above and I agree whole-heartedly that I have never personally seen any drivers quite like what I experience here in A2.
conservative
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 12:54 a.m.
Yesterday on my way home from work, I witnessed a guy reading a kindle while driving westbound on m14. I followed him for quite some time just to see how long he would actually continue to read while driving and was amazed at his lack of responsibility and respect for the other drivers on the road. It's no wonder these things happen as often as they seem to nowaday!
julieswhimsies
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 9:42 p.m.
Did you get his plates?
Chris Jackson
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 7:39 p.m.
No -- limiting all vehicles to an arbitrary number will just put everyone in a tighter pack so these kinds of accidents will affect more cars. Not only that, it will lead to more of these accidents, not less.
Tom Todd
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:11 p.m.
911 doesn't care.
yourdad
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:30 p.m.
911 could work but it would require all of you general citizen bloggers to actually support their local law enforcement agencies. Maybe pressure your various elected officials to provide budgets that allow for more police staffing. I personnally feel like no vehicle should be manufactured to exceed 75 mph. Then the speed differentials would not occur like they probably did in this case. And some type of electronics' blocking should be standard in all models. We really don't "need' to multi-task when driving a 5000lb missile.
Tonya
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 5:44 a.m.
Calling 911 does no good in those situations! I have done it and quite a few people I know have also and 911 did absolutely nothing! Remember a few yrs back when the employees from a Taco Bell called 911 and told them a customer in the drive thru was extremely drunk, then he ends up killing someone in an accident pretty much after he left the Taco Bell! Laws and bans need to be reinforced and reinforced extremely! Prayers to this family! I cant imagine what they are going through!
5travellers
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:33 a.m.
That's insane!!! What about calling 911 to report things like this? Honestly, they need to get people like that off the road BEFORE they cause an accident!
R.B.
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:18 a.m.
Oh my goodness! You can't be serious! Driving is a PRIVILEGE NOT A RIGHT!!!
julieswhimsies
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 12:13 a.m.
Oh my God. One can only pray for the survivors and the families and friends of the victims. I avoid 23 like the plague. What IS it with that road?!
Tom Todd
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:10 p.m.
Two lane freeways are dangerous.
Ryan Gervais
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:52 a.m.
Yeah, I take Carpenter from Washtenaw Avenue all the way to Exit 27 in Milan, at which point I get on US-23. This way, I avoid the madness between A2 and Milan. Let's get some more lanes on US-23, and maybe a few drivers who are willing to sacrifice 10 extra minutes and take Carpenter instead!
glenn smith
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:37 a.m.
It's not the road. It's the drivers. Too much of a hurry. 70mph and most go faster than 80. a lot stay in the left lane even though it is against the law (signs posted all over michigan). People feel entitled to their space on the road everywhere instead of obligated to take others' safety in account. A lot of people take their lane often not signalling to change lanes. Etc... It's not the road it's the drivers. I drive for a living and see horrible behavior everywhere. almost no place worse than Ann Arbor. Some of the worst driving attitudes and behavior i have seen in any state.
simone66
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 12:55 a.m.
There's nothing wrong with the road, it's the insane drivers who drive 85+ and tailgating other drivers. I use M23 just to get to M14 or I94, otherwise, I avoid it.
JustInTime
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 11:51 p.m.
The suspected driver of this "van" surely must have looked in his/her rear-view mirror and saw the SUV rolling over after they allegedly side swiped it. I would guess that this driver is now aware of the consequences of those actions, and they will be turning themselves in soon after concocting a proper story to somehow make it seem like it was a mistake. They know what will happen if they don't. I've had enough of this road rage madness and would openly embrace Google's new system of auto-piloting our cars. That technology is coming, and it's the ONLY thing that can possibly put an end to individuals using their vehicles as weapons.
Maz
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:53 a.m.
Did it say somewhere that this was a road rage incident?? I think it was likely just your typical terrible driver and in this case the consequences were sever. I agree that this person would have had to see the SUV rolling when this happened. On the slim chance they didnt' notice they hit another car, they would have still seen the car beside them immediately loose control and begin swerving/rolling. Then they continued to drive on. :( I am not as confident they will turn themselves in. My thoughts are with these kids and their families. They are all in for a long emotional night.
glenn smith
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:42 a.m.
Absolutely! Entitlement and feeling like safety and the rules don't apply to you are a huge problem everywhere. And people bitch and moan about their rights being stepped on with the possibility of harsh driving rules like no electronic devices. But if anyone needs google to drive their vehicle for them they should be on the bus, not forcing people off the road.
rsa221
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 12:34 a.m.
I, too, am looking forward to autonomous cars, and how they might help lessen these senseless collisions. My heart goes out to the victims and those who lost loved ones in this tragedy.
Prudence
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 10:20 p.m.
I am a high school teacher in the area, and my school got out at 3:20. My first thought was, "My god, I hope it's not one of my kids!" So sad and senseless- they are someone's kids.
A2taxpro
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 10:06 p.m.
About 8:15am I was driving the speed limit while traveling westbound on Scio Church before Liberty. (a 2-lane road) Out of the blue a black BMW with a woman on her cell phone passed me even though there was a DOUBLE YELLOW LINE....IT IS THESE F.OLKS WHO ARE RUSHING WHILE TALKING ON THEIR PHONES who put all of us at risk. Another car did the same thing as we passed Washtenaw ISD. I am glad my grandson was not in the car this AM. I was nearly run off the road. Drivers...especially SUVs are very impatient and try to intimidate others. This type of behavior is not uncommon on AA streets and highways. BE careful and alert. I am saddened by the loss of those involved in the accident today. My prayers are with their families. Find the sicko who did this!!!!
JRW
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 11:09 p.m.
Agree with A2taxpro and replies. Not to make sweeping generalities about BMW drivers.....but I've had my share of beemer drivers cut me off, sailing away at 20-30 miles over the speed limit, screeching their wheels, and on the cell phone. Somehow this type of car seems to attract arrogant drivers.....not all, but I've seen my share around A2 who drive like they own the road, and have little regard for others. Some, not all, SUV drivers can also be intimidating, but I will say that in my experience, it's the drivers of the F150 and F250 pick up trucks that are the most aggressive, running up on my bumper if I drive the speed limit, at night, and turn on their high beams 2" from my back bumper. Lots of road rage out there as well as arrogance and distraction. Driving for some of these people seems secondary to whatever else they happen to be doing. And the 'hit and run" accidents are increasing. More people seem to just drive away after hitting pedestrians and autos. Getting to be much more scary driving out there.
towncryer
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 11:33 p.m.
Completely agree with you VW, I see a lot of "low texting". The ban is a joke.
vwp11
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 10:24 p.m.
I agree with most everything you say, but please don't just lump in SUV drivers as the impatient, intimidating ones. The occupants of a huge SUV are the VICTIMS in this accident, not the culprits. I drive an SUV and I drive it carefully and am sick of dodging death on a daily basis because of impatient, uncaring, rude people in ALL types of vehicles. The texting ban is a joke... people just text "low" now and are even more unable to pay attention to driving. Hands on cell phones should be banned. Crotch rockets weaving through traffic at 125 mph... they should be banned. No matter what laws are in effect, no one is enforcing them anyway. If you follow the traffic laws in Michigan you're getting run off the road. It's like the wild west. Wish everyone out there cared a little more about each other. Getting anywhere 5 minutes sooner isn't worth losing lives over.
joe.blow
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 10:02 p.m.
Now can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE expand US23 to 3-4 lanes? How many more people have to die!
Rod Johnson
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:07 a.m.
Widening 23 means replacing every single bridge, since none of them are wide enough for more lanes, which means years of disruption, and extremely high costs at a time when Michigan is effectively broke. It's just not going to happen, not for a long time.
joe.blow
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:08 a.m.
Maz, I've noticed the same thing. I assumed that it was me being extra sensitive to AA drivers, but if others have noticed this, then it just might be true. I wonder why AA drivers suck so much?
Maz
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 1:47 a.m.
Consider that rather than the amount of lanes being the issue, it could be the reason you notice so many accidents on 14/94/23 is because they are full of A2 drivers. I've lived up here for three years now and at least once every single day a car changes lanes in front of me or a car in close proximity to me while the car actually occupying the space the lane-changer is moving into has to slam on their breaks to avoid being side swiped. It is literally so common that I expect to see it and think nothing of it up here at this point. 1. I expect A@ drivers beside me in a double-left turn lane to cross into my lane during the turn. 2. I expect A2 drivers beside me to change lanes at random without signaling or ever noticing there's any other cars on the road, much less in the space they are deciding to occupy. 3. I expect A2 drivers to random swerve into and out of other lanes as the drive. 4. I expect A2 drivers to not notice ANY of these things or any of the other cars that are slamming on their breaks, honking their horns, or screaming out their windows at the idiot living in his/her own little bubble thinking they are the only person in the whole world. That is a typical day dealing with A2 drivers, everyday, all the time. Just when I think I can't possibly see anything worse than the day before you guys astound me all over again with your driving "skills". I don't think the number of lanes is the problem at all.
joe.blow
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 11:43 p.m.
Really? How many deaths are there on the way to Detroit from AA? I almost never hear of any, yet the 23/94/14 highways around AA seem to be accident death traps.
Unusual Suspect
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 10:45 p.m.
More lanes will not reduce deaths. Only people can reduce deaths.
John Q
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 10:22 p.m.
How would have 4 lanes helped?
simone66
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 9:51 p.m.
Please, please, I hope someone locates the driver of the Honda that caused this horrible accident! I'm so sorry to hear about this tragedy for the family in the SUV.
dading dont delete me bro
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 9:33 p.m.
"... Honda Odyssey with heavy front end damage." shouldn't expect this vehicle to get very far. anyone check around the milan exits?
g-man100
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 9:24 p.m.
Shouldn't be too hard for Police to track down the Honda if its got a temporary tag. Can't be too many of those issued recently and narrows it down a lot. Prayers to the familie(s) involved and hope they catch the culprit.
amlive
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 10:40 p.m.
Not that anything could be made right after a tragedy like this, but that was my first thought as to hopes of tracking this person down as well. It's also a point of interest that paper plates are issued to drivers with multiple offenses such as drunk driving, or being the cause of other injuries behind the wheel - http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1583-31038--,00.html No idea if this was the case here - perhaps the vehicle was just bought and still had a paper license plate from the dealer. Still, since the driver fled it's hard not to wonder if they may have had a history of drunken or dangerous driving, and perhaps were not supposed to be behind the wheel at all.
kdadnick
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 9:22 p.m.
Traffic has been heavy and going fast. There have been roll-over accidents in this area every day lately. Put the cell phones away, please. Slow down please. Where could you possibly need to go in such a hurry that it is worth taking lives, injuring others and causing a lifetime of sorry for so many? How....HOW does one drive away? wow.
Peregrine
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:25 a.m.
The energy your vehicle has is related to the *square* of the speed. The energy your vehicle has must go somewhere when there's an accident and relates to the forces the vehicle and its occupants undergo. So when you compare a vehicle gong at 60mph to one going at 75mph, the faster one has 56% more energy than the slower one. Comparing 60mph and 80 mph, the faster vehicle has 78% more energy. And when comparing 60mph and 85mph, the faster vehicle has 100% more energy; the energy doubles with just a 42% increase in speed! So speed does matter.
mgoscottie
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 12:25 a.m.
Driving fast does not equate with dangerous driving....agree on the cell phones fwiw.....
Johnson48racing
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 9:04 p.m.
I sure hope they catch the person who caused this horrible accident. How sad.
justcurious
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 8:51 p.m.
I will be thinking about the people who died, the injured and their loved ones today. I wish them peace. It all could possibly have been avoided if the driver of the Honda had checked his/her blind spot. Such a tragedy.
Karen St John
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 11:01 p.m.
Even if the accident was inadvertent, driving away from an accident is indecent and utterly immoral, to say nothing of illegal.
justcurious
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 9:42 p.m.
We don't know what caused this accident at this point. Yes, I know there are accidents here all the time. Just this afternoon..M-14 east triple, Miller and Maple (5 cars!!), Bethel Church, US 23 and Geddes.....and on and on and on.
Johnson48racing
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 9:08 p.m.
I agree Renee, these people around here are nuts on these freeways. No matter what the road conditions are justcurious they crash everyday around here.
Renee VanEpps
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 9:03 p.m.
With the way some people drive around here, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't intentional.. Suspect driver may have been pissed that the vehicle wouldn't get out of the left lane and purposely sideswiped them. Would explain why they would have left the scene. So sad.
Lonnie
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 8:27 p.m.
Terrible tragedy on such a beautiful Friday afternoon. I can't figure out if there were 7 people or 5 in the car - headline totals 7 and first sentence totals 5, maybe the 2nd sentence describes the other 2. Just trying to figure my head around this awful accident. Please let me know if 7 or 5.
treetowncartel
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 3:37 a.m.
You should be able to gleen this from the picture of thre crashed vehicle, why else would they post it?
glenn smith
Sat, Jun 23, 2012 : 2:05 a.m.
There was a little girl, about 2 yrs old. she had a bump on her head and crying. scared and shaken up but seemed ok. I saw 3 teen aged girls get helped out. 1 in the back seat area not responding. 1 late 20's mid 30's woman get helped out. but i didn't see the boy reported but the emt's were on the scene almost immediately so to clear space for them to work i just helped a few others collect most of the belongings to a closer spot by the vehicle. I found something on the grass about 20 yards from the vehicle and pointed it out to the first emt there then covered it with a towel . I do hope for the family's peace of mind they recover it.
Lonnie
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 8:32 p.m.
oh, that is so sad.
Joyce Williams
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 8:29 p.m.
7 people were involved.
Lisa
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 7:59 p.m.
So very awful. My heart goes out to all involved. Such a tragedy.
MgoBlueMomma
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 7:50 p.m.
So So Sad.
joe.blow
Fri, Jun 22, 2012 : 7:44 p.m.
Stay away from the area!!!! Traffic is not moving.
towncryer
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 12:22 p.m.
He probably meant at that time, not in general!!!
Walaa Mahmoud
Sun, Jun 24, 2012 : 3:28 a.m.
There is no need to stay away from that area. The area is safe enough but we just have some stupid and lazy drivers who LOVE to rush!